The politics of bin Laden
Who should really get credit for the capture and killing of Usama bin Laden. 'The Five' debates
- Duration 11:39
- Date Apr 30, 2012
Who should really get credit for the capture and killing of Usama bin Laden. 'The Five' debates
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In the world and there's injustice.
Justice came in the form of a double -- kill shot one bullet to the left temple.
And one to the -- of the world's deadliest terror -- Osama bin Laden.
Just also -- to -- -- President Obama taking a victory lap to score some political credit in an election year.
I says that I go after bin Laden if we had a clear -- And I did he.
Took the harder then the more honorable path.
And the one that he produced in my opinion the best result I.
The president made it clear brave decision.
-- powered the remarkable men and women in our military to go get in kill Osama bin Laden.
Americans and people around the world.
Are glad that he's wrong.
But we don't need to spike the football.
Presidents Obama and Clinton failed to mention the Navy SEALs who executed the target.
The CIA who gleaned the -- the pull off the mission and most importantly.
The reason we were ever in a position to kill bin Laden namely -- declared war on terror by the Bush Administration so I'll guess I'll do for you Mr.
Thank you seal team six thank you CIA intelligence gatherers and thank you George Bush and Dick Cheney.
Bob Obama said he's not gonna spiked the ball but seems like he's not only spiking the ball what's clicking -- -- in the end zone to an end zone.
Yeah well first of all I was good editing job he did talk about the -- when he gave that speech number one number two.
The guy ought to take a lot of credit it was a tough call and -- -- deserves credit any did give president people who went in and did it.
The other thing I point out you talk about politicizing this thing and then you give great credit to bush and Cheney.
It was bush and Cheney that -- their first -- 2004 using the site of ground zero it's -- politicized that's politicizing Obama has -- politically it.
-- all along let's take a step back.
Bush and Cheney did what to politicize that they got a 1001000.
Our fellow Americans were -- I was I -- it why would for a politically.
I don't if that's not spiking the football -- it.
But that that might.
I'm gonna let President Obama in the campaign -- that -- wasn't that.
And I think that that to a person everybody supported and was grateful and thankful for what the energy's President Obama.
Did on that day I don't understand how women President Clinton says it was he -- in -- but made the harder decision on what why it was harder.
And if they wouldn't just put out an ad today that said.
Thank you the seals is a tough decision done.
I think everybody would -- like you know without.
To celebrate this had visited instead they had it just take it one step further overplaying their hand and suggesting that Mitt Romney would not have done the same thing.
That is what the differences and why -- they stepped on our own message.
But the reason it couldn't said it was harder thing because George was -- -- drone and which would have been an easier call to make.
Our board should chance of collateral -- Typically I -- that I end up a predator drone into Pakistan in -- -- -- -- and every one is telling you that was not the latest -- was gonna go down they did have.
The knowledge of it -- yes he made the call that really if you examine the situation.
Yes the credit should go to the Navy -- and yes more importantly.
The intelligence gathering that was accomplished through the Bush Administration.
Who had the foresight to understand that it was through this intelligence that we would be able to pinpoint unidentified his location and Cheney whoever -- is quick to criticize.
And loath to praise was -- one who supported -- enhanced interrogation.
That led to the killing of a -- of the night and Clinton and didn't take the shot.
Ed Smart and yelling at -- told the that I that I hasn't -- -- -- Ottawa one good luck yet this is why we can't have nice things the fact is it.
You gotta be honest -- and apply for a job for president.
You are gonna put this on your resume you're not gonna put it underneath other hobbies.
And interest it's gonna be up there on the first page.
I got bin Laden if he hadn't gotten bit like you know the Republicans would have used that instead like you and let's take -- let's say that happened the -- -- it happened -- Carter.
Do you think that would have to publicize it was kinda so here's what my my point is this.
What's and what the bigger question is why did we kill bin Laden why didn't we take him back.
That goes to the bigger question of the drones.
Why are we killing these guys instead of bringing bringing them back what was it capture or kill mission and -- specify -- -- gonna be -- to Begin -- but we also have identified policy was there we also have a distrust of how we handle terrorists when we bring them back here how do we how -- we try them so instead of trying them the most peaceful.
Party alive just kills a -- We kill a mall because we're too we don't trust our our Justice Department to try them effectively if if Obama was here to -- any way out what -- we have done.
Well first volume and just just it was a good capture kill was killed Begin -- -- and do that we're that's not how you guys every August I would put it I mean.
The problem would bring -- like bin Laden -- is it would have caused enormous problems every I'm glad.
I don't want instead of it I'm glad we kill them I'm just saying it speaks to kind of the whole larger issue of why drones how to -- -- hot -- Not combatant that they -- Yeah well Negroponte wanted Intel from corpses to right right absolutely right about that for -- Rodriguez -- -- sixty minute audio edit content.
I would argue that in one minute mundane outlet and or ask your first away for a Bill Clinton in -- that says pres Obama did the right thing.
Bill Clinton didn't he he had shot a good life.
And that there's what I think about that which is yes and we can look back at hindsight is 20/20 but that was before 9/11 happened.
And after 9/11 I think the whole view was different it was after.
Nine guys out tonight its shape and for me I was in the building in 93 -- -- we -- not that I just think that there event that's his way that I think that he probably approaches it's like.
Relied -- as the Republicans secretary of defense in a very good one Bob gates said of all the presents she's worked for which many industries the toughest call he's ever seen the president what to.
Here all the pull the trigger to -- -- -- anybody out there are -- don't think -- don't know what they noted Bob let's listen I'm and it is -- at one that thinks that there's a president is there anyone that thinks that there's an American.
Walking the earth right now -- wouldn't let yes oh absolutely are you kidding me given the options they had.
-- -- -- drawn in -- -- these guys in there it wasn't it it's there are.
Millions of people would guys I think Tony Harris by the way that -- cabinet Robby when he goes and talks about just I would have done it -- you know he would have done it yet.
How -- you know they wouldn't I don't.
No he would not and that it's Obama's problem he took them one step too far on politics and now today he's totally ruined his message -- -- his -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Execute on Obama in the -- -- suggesting that he wouldn't.
Why did he say I'm not sure what about what had -- -- I thought had intelligence -- that would be my before we move on Greg can I ask you the Democrats sliding scale of Bob morality sliding scale of outrage.
I don't I don't I just -- -- troubled by this whole debate -- -- it's just so silly to me it's like we should all be happy that this guy is dead.
May -- Obama overreached and there should have been an extra sentence in that ad saying you know.
-- second -- it's a guy pitches a no hitter don't always thank the guys behind you thank you -- Do you think -- -- and he has think the team it just wasn't in the ad and I think that was the only -- -- -- -- also thank the people who -- -- information -- -- All right that's -- a lot of if you had an opportunity to thank and being magnanimous he had handled NASA's right.
Saying that hey I thank you mentioned above -- here at the bottom of the barrel -- taken on the best thing this guy has done and you still can't -- -- -- any credit for and we wanna move on because right very important interview -- -- less than sixty minutes Jose Rodriguez a little -- the CIA's enhanced I'm -- the CIA's clandestine unit.
Which was in charge of getting the Intel that eventually led to bin Laden kill.
Listen to the first sound -- We made some.
Al-Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands.
For a few days.
But we did the right thing for the right recent.
And the right reason was to protect the homeland and to protect American lives.
So Bob the Intel that was gleaned from Khalid Sheikh Mohamed will lead to -- the capture of another terrorist who led to -- to spill the beans.
On Osama bin Laden's -- -- All although all of that I and I should let it lets you did -- but but the point is all intelligence builds on other intelligence and it takes a long time.
From the time they first got that information is time that -- was killed was several years.
It takes a long time to put these things together and so -- usually just said yeah got what you just you just said you just credit.
Like I -- give credit to George Bush I give credit to their intelligence I give credits -- needs CIA I think they did a remarkable job the difference is I'm only give credit you're so portion hold on and get the break I thought they did right well why won't but what I want Obama did a good campaign or or the White House give credit to bush say they.
First of all look.
You did it.
Why if you wanna see here and continue to jump on Obama about killing bin Laden you're going down a dead -- go back to gasoline a lot better and I think -- position.
Actually think everybody just praise Obama -- that legend had it with it and are a -- before I think that the question today in a purpose of this discussion was about the politics.
Of that decision of just adding that one extra piece of what Mitt Romney have had the you know -- to do that I went that it touches on interrogation -- on and and the difference between -- Greg brought up.
Which is -- attacks kill people it takes seven years to build on intelligence but if you're not gathering intelligence you -- have that to build on in future years but keep a secular.
You -- well I have to get to Greg but it didn't.
Not everyone I'm not mean in the camp that says that boat President Obama did anything to anyone else would have done and I'm not even I can call the kill shot -- the direct -- -- -- -- -- You want to answer -- what did you just say there are memos that that out of.
I'll bet that I exactly does that nobody did the navy admiral -- -- -- -- -- about this on the you're applying.
Guess I'll tell you yeah.
You're hopeless you don't -- I don't and this is we're not in disagreement honestly what he's saying is yes ultimately it's the president's call and and the president has to then give operational control over -- people that are closest to the mission.
And at this particular case the document suggests that with admiral -- -- and so then yes it would have fallen on him if in fact Osama bin Laden was not in that Condo and I disagree when telling me just let it had a very good chance -- -- behind that -- there was.
When we're -- -- down I was not wiggle -- in that memo where if it went badly like Pakistan Obama couldn't be blamed for.
It does not in the -- they did good to have when they had their way to get outlook and didn't about drones as you -- understand you can't boot drop down to capture these people Somalian place like that.
You have to -- the most case.
I'd be also could have just blown up the whole place with a predator charges that.
Because there was still some uncertainty as to the exact -- -- pants.
Of that particular compound we got here -- -- lot of Jones never flat as it turned out not I would and we made committing you know war crime and humanitarian -- time.
US -- -- forest we got gadgets like.
President Obama always is that -- teachable moment which I -- I just gonna do this that I have a team got comfortable moment is.
All of the things that the progressive left despised or hated which was water -- gitmo.
Brutal military force the greatest military force we've ever seen -- what gave Obama's greatest achievement.
That's what's called -- teachable moment usually don't let anybody strategy gets up and the irony candidate here this he got taught.
And he got his --