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But now they're try to squash reports from former agency employees claiming that.
Enhanced interrogation techniques played a major role in tracking the world's most wanted terrorists one of the blowing the whistle Jose.
Rodriguez former director of the CIA's national clandestine service and author of this brand new book certain -- -- best sell off hard measures.
How aggressive CIA actions -- -- 9/11 saved American lives.
Jose welcome to the couch or thank you very much how do you feel that senator Feinstein basically calling you out.
Well you know it's a very partisan.
Report that -- be working on for four years.
The Republicans left that effort about two years ago.
So I'm not surprised -- -- -- Posey let's take a look at some of the things he'd like answers to.
The senators' letter claims it you misinformed.
Let's see misinformed on the Osama bin Laden raid in into now.
Also it points out that -- Destroyed evidence specifically to taped interrogations without White House approval and goes on to claim that Rodriguez revealed torture techniques like water -- -- -- Which were reserved for military training so soldiers knew how to act.
If they were captured by enemy combatants that's a mouthful isn't it is a -- -- how do you respond to those things happen how would you answer that well.
Me just tell you that the effort to get -- in Latin was a ten year effort it took ten years and a lot of information was obtained from detainees starting in 2002.
That -- -- -- is to take down plots to arrest.
Other terrorists that were coming after us.
To learn about the organization's structure.
That leadership -- methods of attack.
There -- programs.
There are nuclear programs are.
-- anthrax program so.
The key that was obtained.
Information that would appeal was key to be efforts to the stroke so is it disingenuous -- -- that this administration.
Would want Americans to believe that it was as simple as finding -- -- bin Laden and killing him and that anything that happened in the past eight years before that was not relevant.
You -- meaning it's it.
As I -- at ten year effort.
Thousands of intelligence reports were disseminated from the detainees that eventually allowed -- Do get to the killing open.
You talk about with the truth was with Abu -- he was the first big capture we got.
And -- people try to diminish it the significance of that capture what he knew including the FBI.
He'll mention names but one of the guys who came forward and said he was -- -- -- He -- -- a tough interrogation tactics hurt the process what's your reaction well the truth of the matter that in May of 2002.
Alex who fund was dead in the water.
Abu zubaydah had told him to go home go home and have babies those those are the words that he said them.
But we needed a new way forward -- you.
We needed a out of the box.
And it's interesting because years later -- 9/11 commission.
-- reported said that 9/11 was a failure of imagination.
Where there was no failure of a -- of imagination.
In May June July of 2002 as we put.
This program together -- -- And and one of the things that they're number of people and critics and viewers to -- you know nothing we got from the water boarding or anything else let us to bin Laden.
-- that is not true information gleaned from interrogations at some of the black sites.
Didn't set Chu and us on the path to getting bin Laden and that -- -- year ago today.
That is very correct tonight I was there so I remember reading the intelligence reports coming from the field.
And I was -- me east to find out.
And that's the significance of it that.
I'll be Latin communicated with the rest of -- -- who won.
Career wouldn't find him you find yes but tough to do you have to find one -- but the significance is that he took itself.
Out of the he was not going to be easy operational -- thing today.
Which made it so much more difficult to find it on let's listen to Nancy Pelosi.
Because back in 2009.
This is what she -- We were not I repeat convenient but not.
Or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used.
She telling Richard.
Well I personally.
Was -- the person who went to the congress in September.
And briefed for.
On V interrogation of Abu zubaydah in the techniques that we -- which were included -- will.
-- in 2002 you told her about waterboarding yes she'd just said in what ever that was couple years ago not never but now.
You know there.
Then off to take my word there is documentation from the -- to be so many people try to rewrite history and that's what this book is supposed to do is tell people really would happen if a lot of Americans we never even knew would happen in your you're actually bringing us inside their did you defied year old life.
And to stay at -- you're on your own political trouble.
And hopefully that's in the past.
Now -- then we come back I want to get your take about really what's in the last chapter -- book and that is the Obama administration's approach.
Two capturing and killing al-Qaeda.
And what worries you most including your reflections on his Cairo speech you know personally you took that thing.
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