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That that Jose Rodriguez he's going over his years in the CIA what he did to keep us safe after nine elevenths stopping at the follow up -- attacks now.
-- United States gives it Cairo speech he talks about signing in 2009 document this is when I got a torture anymore.
How do you feel that the Cairo speech which he apologize.
Essentially for acts that you supervised.
Really got me was the reference to these things that we had an honest portrait because you know we had gotten approval -- this.
From the president of the United States from the previous president and yet been certified as legal.
The congress have been briefed.
So this was illegal program and to be told that.
The the -- by the precedent that he thought it was torture I think it was.
Very disappointing and how -- it changed the entire environment at the CIA now and the way in which our country.
Decides to either capture or kill terrorists.
Well what happens is that.
-- administration has defaulted to a take no prisoners approach.
There's no way to interrogate people to get intelligence that you get out of that which we need -- -- -- -- doing.
It's easier you know it's interesting because in our country as powerful as it is can't -- with interrogating but he.
It's easier to kill someone from 101000 feet you know using -- hellfire.
Miserable than it is to capture somebody.
And and and and pressure that individual benefit killing civilians as the latest -- victory I don't know or understand that because.
Just seems that it's it's it's that's an affront -- value.
That now let's talk about we're doing now you believe the administration is boxed themselves in with -- campaign rhetoric.
About the army field manual we have nowhere to keep them and now they're fighting to keep -- -- a lot of photos under lock and key.
You're almost getting arrested for destroying the tapes about was -- -- being -- -- and -- little ironic isn't it let you know.
That's the -- this.
Yeah one of the reasons you get it though to destroy you put the put all ninety some tapes into industrial strength shredder which you wanted to protect the guys who did the interrogating us for following the letter of the law you break I -- This was a three year effort.
We started requesting permission to destroy -- -- In the fall of 2002.
And everybody said he was legal.
But nobody would that make the call -- if it wasn't legal.
-- -- our guys genuine jeopardy because he's so what happened with the Abu Ghraib pictures he's so what happened with the burning of the crimes this would have been right up the exact.
Actually countries serviced by destroying them here let alone save your guys' lives then you -- the motivation that we had was to protect the people who work for us.
But it was also legal and the lawyers have been saying for a long time you can -- -- -- how has this changed your life moving forward.
Well you know what I made the decision I I I understood that the time that the possibly this could come back upon -- -- it'll make a decision like that in Washington.
Do it again -- I would do it again -- can't.
I don't blame -- check out his new book it is a blockbuster the hard measures as a Rodriguez we thank you very much.
We thank you very much for -- Pleasure to elect him again and we'll talk to you can't thank you coming up next.
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