How the CIA foiled an Al Qaeda underwear bomb plot
Bill Daly and Tom Ruskin question why the White House revealed details of the classified raid
- Duration 11:55
- Date May 9, 2012
Bill Daly and Tom Ruskin question why the White House revealed details of the classified raid
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-- I wanna bring in now with the hit list Tom Ruskin and bill -- NYPD FBI control risks senior VP.
CMP group president all of those things you can sort out which one is which -- also called Bob rice has made it here.
Despite -- terrorism New York City have I and I are always fighting through it come.
I want to get -- this amazing plot uncovered and prevented.
By the CIA working in concert with -- Saudi counterparts apparently.
Infiltrating this cell of al-Qaeda in Yemen -- -- to -- -- -- Just as a broadly speaking this seemed like an incredible victory full.
The CIA and and the senate intelligence service.
I've certainly for the Saudi intelligence services it's a fantastic thing integrate PR move for them because it's not -- -- that you know we're in our country the Saudi intelligence services actually had the best possible reputation.
Although over the last couple years they actually have been working closely with the CIA.
And this is -- crown jewel type event for all sorts of reasons.
You know one of course -- prevented horrific problem too you've been able to identify budget targets on the ground which -- -- action on.
Already there's been a drone strike you take out one of the -- key al-Qaeda guys al-Qaeda in Yemen guys.
Who was there -- so.
-- so it's a win win win and in a great day for the intelligence services -- how significant was this.
That this was actually so an operative who infiltrated the al-Qaeda cell that.
Presumably is a huge coup I'll tell him.
It certainly isn't in any context with a paramedic criminal element but certainly me into world of terrorists where they going to be very selective to who they went in and kind of do a real litmus test them -- How much information you provide this person having -- -- in their -- was extremely extremely.
Successful and and and really hurt her credit to our colleagues in the CIA and and other health services.
I do you point out there one important fact in overrides all this is that.
On the ground intelligence -- to commit a joke or drone -- what to carry out an operation like this week and -- trading group.
Is very important along -- can we rely on just satellites in the sky.
To help us monitor what people do around the world or intercepting communications.
By the NSA we do this requires feet and people on the ground who -- blend in with the the local culture.
Who know the that.
Perhaps even -- some of the people who and that requires intelligence operatives to be there in the sand on the streets working.
-- but I didn't totally -- a lesson that you can't just as Catherine Herridge who are calling into the new vote to dry moon from yesterday.
On studio BI you can't just -- everybody you have to get that kind of intelligence to make these sort of operations look.
Correct but the fact of the matter is that the White House and intelligence sources have released how we did this and that is a very dangerous thing.
And that is something.
That is going to set us back.
Not push us politically say it appears that it was you know some of us not mean that some journalists are pretty good -- -- job.
And he ran will be Associated Press golf they so the wind has is what -- position.
Where a news organization was going to run with a story but they didn't know that there was an undercover.
Who was the operative and -- we you put anyone.
Who is now an operative who is now what we -- business CIA.
In danger or in talking to someone else into going and if there who.
Knowledge if you -- know at a later date who that person news.
You put everything about them in danger well I've got -- when in fact.
As you know being your former federal prosecutor.
You don't want you Shiite ever to be known unless.
That person's testimony is -- Ward well I have my understanding was that the AP got -- of this in the White House did convince them to hold it right Veronica.
They were able to move the asset at least anybody you know when the Pentagon this is this even more chilling effect that as they work on.
These non metallic explosive devices using chemicals to give it perhaps taken on -- -- plane.
You and and it.
Because into this whole other issue about these surgically -- bombs and -- -- tell -- about things that are.
Esoteric got there they they've been tried to effective and tried against Saudi.
Representative crucial as well as you have an actual attacks and we are carried out in -- back.
We are using.
People's bodies whether it right cavities or whether surgically implanted -- we were getting save somebody's willing to blow themselves up on a plane by wearing a device.
Why would they allow some to be putting -- and you go into this issue of non metal.
And in other other materials would be undetected there inside someone becomes even more difficult for -- -- -- And -- -- it's a scary still and that being the Irish Republican Army used to do that that you used to smuggle there was one particular Irish Republican -- woman.
Terrorists who smuggled explosives into Britain nine to mainland Britain quite a few times.
Became known by the mob was nickname of dynamite because -- -- a lot -- but it's a serious concern as it gets isn't really that the cavity well in the regular brings up something that is very topical right now because the ACLU.
Is pressing and their lawsuit original lawsuit -- in the ninth circuit I think the next couple of days.
Where they're arguing that the no fly rules or unconstitutional that we shouldn't be able to keep people -- their points.
Based on you know.
-- ice is you really.
I'm it's a very interesting thing I suppose that that you know the judges and technically supposed to read the newspaper when she's making this decision today and the best around like he's doing ourselves -- -- -- yeah I kids.
The ninth circuit as the circuit.
Deciding this in favor of keeping I mean you have to give up -- -- civil liberties.
Of greatest security is Julio I have it in my business and we -- we already.
As you walk through what's the difference between.
What do you use up and doing the full body skin right because they picked you to go through the -- -- you're walking through -- I want -- if you wanna be safe all new plane is all new modes of -- well you've got to give up some I don't.
Well I think you know by and by this example on the -- we just described about people not having him actually buried inside them people save yourself -- -- the second you know that your body scanner wasn't.
Two -- and that's -- money we save.
Let everybody go through -- because of that person behind me has one of these I wanna know.
Yes well did.
Disabilities argument just doesn't say I mean there there's -- lying obviously and it might be difficult I'm not -- you know honestly have been saying you know for a long time I think privacy is over.
I just really think it's over for -- -- the -- that these kinds of plots are going to be discovered is through intensive surveillance.
And that's just the way it is and the way that you're going to prevent.
You know horrific attacks because you know you're getting into this an age where it.
Chemical -- -- metallic weapons absolutely but everything everything is shrinking so you're able to do one person.
With a very small device and you massive amounts of damage.
And so you you're gonna have to be.
Able or be willing to go through intrusive body scanned you're gonna have to be willing to be surveil.
Because there's no other way to protect -- -- get back to Tom's point of fact whether or would this week we learned too much information by the authorities.
About -- -- he writes in and says I agree with -- -- cost us a good informant we lost in the long run I think we where -- really cost us is to be careful because once he -- Detonate that.
That's suicide bomb he was no longer going to be and just won't even be a welcome back and it turned it over of the FBI rough I mean that the bad that the only area that we didn't lose him we didn't.
We lose him the fact that he is the knowledge that he was -- -- CI La confidential informant.
Risk any -- the person who is now confidential informant if I was al-Qaeda but at around looking at different people in my organization.
You could be dealers who have the newest guy in the door is going to be great right -- -- but also.
But what was the story going to be I mean he did and in fact detonate the bomb so I mean you know at some point they gonna realize yeah yeah yeah I don't know -- -- me what's so great what -- -- -- delay there's no public I have to know the intelligence.
Hey I think time I think in this case and I'm not if you want to -- protective of our methods and sources now think the methods the source -- was -- because I personally can't get out of this equation but I think by the public knowing about this.
It also provides us people who.
To be more willing to go through more -- to be aware of the fact that these things are are.
Are being -- out there and also to tell you that we're fighting this war many an editor of people -- -- that that.
That term war on terrible we often has -- -- which is still believes war.
On many fronts -- domestically or whether it's over here in Yemen in some -- outpost where people you wouldn't imagine we would operatives.
If -- also know that it also shows you why these foreign.
Policy decisions are made are so subtle you know people -- you know the very the government can always go out and say hey we cut a deal with this one.
Because we're protecting operatives on the Green and it -- right -- really you know they there is so big you know it you're very don't want the government officials have the scorn heaped upon them Soledad crazy that we're giving money -- -- think well you don't under you don't intend to the stories that.
You hope you had a -- car ride today that died on Sunday I don't know -- ad that Al excuse though it was pretty it was getting out of this car had a really bad -- arise when they.
Wrong about this card I don't know what you told the jury writes in his saying -- -- long bomb maker and many men there Rommel bombs which is it obviously great fear that I mean this.
Didn't necessarily just do one of these devices.
But only he also lost a question you guys what does that at least think about the -- al-Qaeda network is it splitting like the -- -- mobile reunifying in the one.
-- the -- down organization.
-- you know from from my contacts and from people actually do it is that it's still a very decentralized operation of their people trying to rise up and take control and be that kind.
You know both spokesperson for and leader of about hater but it's still decentralized however Yemen as we've seen even knows view we've the first discount it may be last year as not being a big.
Big cradle for for terrorism is turning out to be that that case I think Yemen is becoming much more of a hotbed kind of like what Afghanistan may have been.
You know in the and then in the ninety's with regard to training and and and these type of individuals I also would say is that -- -- in my view.
That's been able to recruit people who have whoever -- and well educated as some some cases at least on the higher end and -- can carry out some of these more sophisticated.
Bomb making and device.
Type of preparations and my concern is that as technology.
-- -- smaller as they recruit people who have education summit of western educations is that there were able to build devices that become more more -- thing.
Our -- I think also if he's a big key here is Abraham -- -- and he is the known bomb maker.
And we can only assume he's trying to -- other people right -- or culture of the people and how to make these bombs we have to and I'm sure.
This is not resigning as we are targeting here we are we have to take -- -- we are trying to drew him -- -- tomorrow night.
Good -- what did you tell me.
King of politics as -- to look at it explosive funny give rich city of -- you can detonate explosives that would include fabrics as well and certainly.
We see from the from this particular operation al-Qaeda is looking on any technology can these of the bombs to get them through.
Our security systems the world grateful.
This particular plot was -- -- by the incredible look it seems of this.
It was a -- What can the US CIA and Saudi Arabian intelligence services working together on it quite accidentally spilled any former FBI officer and senior VP of control risks and Tom Ruskin former NYPD did -- -- And president of BC and gentlemen thank you very important.