Also in this playlist...
This transcript is automatically generated
Joining me now is Debra Burlingame she's someone that.
Everybody sees and has seen for the last ten years and she is -- this whole idea.
September 11 and it's not just something that happened yesterday and we forgot about it -- the lady whose continued.
To talk about the whole issue not just from a security issue at the national security issue.
But also from me.
And of the families and what the reaction have -- Debra Burlingame she's the co-founder of the nine elevenths families for a safe and strong America you're also lower -- Used to being used to be your hair and your brother was the pilot of the plane that went into the panic my.
When you watch these trials that are now happening and I and Guantanamo.
And you see that they woman wearing the head -- people reading newspapers making fun of the whole process and what.
-- -- -- Well.
There's a part of me the sister.
The friend of so many people who lost mothers and fathers and sons and daughters I know what they're -- -- I've spent a lot of hours with them that finds it outrageous maddening.
Insulting and all those things but then there's the other part of me that's really worried about the things that Catherine Herridge was just talking about.
What's next what are they doing what's the mindset what can we learn from them they know us better than we know them.
And by the way that was demonstrated in that courtroom so.
What I try to do is is trying to understand what what's going come on from an analytical point of view for -- go out there and remind people.
This isn't a trial that it neatly ends when these guys are either and executed -- put away for life.
What can we learn from this trial when -- where things from well what we saw in the courtroom was their attempt.
To change the narrative from what they did on 9/11 in their culpability.
Two there ideology there god.
One lead that a Tyson's lawyer with a woman who was wearing me that he job -- nearby and by the way.
An American lawyer who is not a Muslim.
Not only -- face exposed out of respect.
For her clients cultural sensitivity she actually exhorted the court.
And and everyone in it including family members to respect his cultural sensitivities.
She says yes -- Paper other women and and the -- that they should also.
He's similar whether she said that I realize this is a western courtroom that I don't expect you to go the same distance I have.
But please understand that when you dress in modestly and remember she's referring to jag lawyers and a DOJ lawyer in a in a corporate suit.
I gotta say I'm not very -- daughters and maybe I'm actually getting complaints that -- -- right -- fat fry -- so.
I mean it just adds that an insult to -- -- -- edit or or another way to look at is the comic aspect of what she was doing.
She -- she actually went on went as far as to say that when you dress the way you -- arrested in the US military uniform or liking your eyes just right now.
You are you are for -- -- our clients to look at you and violate their religion in -- This is such a messed up that way to to view from what the reality of that courtroom.
You know when you.
Can -- you.
Taken out to defend the constitution as an attorney.
When you and become a member of the bar and you you agreed to accept your ethical obligations -- to.
In in her case zealously defend -- client.
You don't give up your humanity you don't give up your integrity is a human being and you certainly don't give up your -- your integrity is as a female.
Who has a right to be a female practicing -- courtroom you certainly do not have to adopt.
The religious cultural an end.
Of the person in that room who buy their own admission had.
Savagely murdered 3000 people in the name of that religion and that's coming to remember these are people who have admitted.
That they are guilty of the -- well not only admitted it because the even the judge from the bench that I.
You know he asked in a very pro forma -- you want to you know have the charge sheet read.
No defense attorney in their right mind wants to have the -- charge sheet read in this case it was 88 pages long and went into meticulous detail.
Not only of what that they do not let conspiracy but with each defendant did deet tails.
That that did did the words flight 77 I think we're uttered my brother's -- and you maybe three dozen times with the attach particular individuals in the plot.
Why did they want that Red -- because they're not really disputing their guilt they wanted it read they were proud of it.
And they wanted to show themselves you know reading magazines chatting -- each other lengthening their time together.
And having an American lawyer dressed.
In -- in Islamic dress.
Basically scolding her fellow Americans who by the way they've you know different than her they're all infidels in the courtroom including -- lawyers.
Then saying to their Jihad he brother and all of them -- look.
-- are on trial here in -- system we don't respect and we're still calling the shots in this courtroom.
And that is evidence that -- is directing us our life is it is correct.
What you're doing is divinely.
The question we do we've got these biblical one time that we know they're guilty of -- crime that we should Samsung that we just execute from -- we have to -- have to engage in due process it right you decide that we want to try them and I think we should because the Supreme Court only sanctioned.
Gitmo to be.
-- to be held indefinitely until the end of hostilities and I'm not comfortable with some future congress deciding hostilities are over for political reasons when they're not.
So we have to you know we want to either put them away from life for our car or execute them that means they have to go through some kind of due process.
But in my opinion since they violated the laws of war.
-- even your body Obama administration admits that they should be tried under the laws of -- military court it's been done.
Many many times before and in fact Roosevelt in the end in -- party carrying case which -- laid out.
From the time the writing a lot of guys are -- -- -- there -- -- of them six of them were executed but from the time they were caught.
To the time there executed was three months and that included an expedited appeal -- the Supreme Court.
Noticed challenge that as some kind of kangaroo court.
They're getting in fact more due process than our own troops getting courts martial.
Because they get automatic collateral appeals that those those.
US servicemen don't get.
So I'm what with the judge needs to do is just keep control of his courtroom.
I've seen cases where where when defendants.
Shout out they are either of taken out of the courtroom lightning heard the judge -- who put duct tape over.
A guy's face I don't think they should do that here.
They don't had he had he hasn't had to take that and nor does he have to take.
The outrageous conduct of of the defense attorneys.
The whole idea that we want to show the world that we have this wonderful -- justice system.
And -- were treating even people that we think are mass murders and are guilty where we wanna give them full protection of the law in fact -- -- saying man is that they're using that.
To make fun of us to show their world to show.
Bearing -- out -- -- they've already won and they they may be ARA engaging look at earning their their highest.
-- -- -- -- is to Martin be martyred for what you're not.
-- a death sentence isn't a problem for them in fact they probably -- that more than life imprisonment.
But what they want as an audience to well they want anyway carry out didn't -- the propaganda of their Jihad that's what they want.
Okay well thank and I don't think well what our goal is to show the world anything is to get justice for the people who died right now.
Okay well thank you very much Debra Burlingame thank you pretend that he can -- and -- take a break and come back to.
Filter by section