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Personal story segment tonight a couple weeks ago sixty minutes featured Jose Rodriguez former head of the CIA's course interrogation unit.
Try to use as a new book and Leslie stall interrogated him.
You also employed stressed techniques -- There was a technique where the -- would sit on the floor and would raise his hands over his head in other words get a hold his hands up there forever well forever and ever I was thinking about this of the -- The objective was to reduce.
That I can go and most people who work out to a lot more for our he says this -- like going to the gym to -- Little different.
-- I thought the interview was fine but Adam -- roll it disagrees and joins us now from Los Angeles.
So what tees you off about Lesley Stahl.
I just think it's so easy to sit back in the cheap seats in snipe at these guys that are trying to get information and that are gonna save American lives.
And maybe European lives as well I mean we sit around -- we go you know torture doesn't work.
Well it's been around for.
5000 years -- stuff that doesn't work goes the way the don't know pretty quick like.
Water beds and eight tracks and things like that so my question a Leslie stall is what would you use in place of enhanced interrogation.
To get information.
Out of people who were.
Trying to kill American.
No you convinced by that interview that Leslie stall was against coerced interrogation against waterboarding and all of that did she convince you deputies she never said that.
What she did was I often do hear more I'm actually doing -- you right now.
Is she played devil's advocate.
-- but I mean he was saying you know I slap him with an open hand and she almost.
She was like what you did.
This is sleep deprivation diet alteration shares making it like it was a big deal anyone -- rushed a frat.
There's good and this is gone through more than that.
And I just feel like the look you trying to get information out of people.
You know they got.
They got terrorists in there and they're trying to get him to talk what what better way to do it -- to put a little pressure on them well look I agree I agree -- -- this to just two tracks here and I I agree with you went from the jump -- said.
That if you have a captured terrorist and you can't get -- -- The man I think he try to do the conventional way -- can't get through to the man and you might have to get a little rough with him as long as you don't.
-- would -- an injury there.
That is Permanente and you don't pull over some guidelines that were -- but what Leslie -- is doing what Mike Wallace did.
And I do it true.
You're skeptical of what mr.
Rodriguez Cecile you come on we don't do that here in America a week and you want to get -- Reid is.
Passionate in his defense you want to get the juices flowing in the interview.
So that he gives you more than he might.
With -- you agreeing with him so if you're going that's right you're right right if you go come on we can't be happening guys' hands up that's not like going to the gym.
So what Leslie stall was doing was bear baiting you know put -- little -- by the -- big -- gets angrier and angrier and that's a technique that people use.
Yes it's also gay technique too I can get into it more off the air feel like no I don't -- that they -- bill.
We don't know how can now yeah all right whatever it is on this saying that we hear -- -- and net are safe homes and watch sixty minutes on television.
And that we act appalled when these guys go out and do the dirty work I mean if there are opposing Norton philosophically for you the next 9/11.
-- more angry with the with the faint hearts who.
You know don't want any of this and -- we can't do that and then you got 3000 dead then you are with -- stall who basically is being skeptical like.
I can't say dime and I don't know on the -- that she may be exactly what you're saying she may be a -- heart.
But I think you got to give her the benefit of the doubt for the interview of the.
-- -- I'm just saying you could take the most liberal person on the planet you know Michael Moore could have a kid with Tim Robbins.
And if that kid got abducted -- you -- them both quietly.
We found a guy.
-- -- some information that your kid is buried alive -- 48 hours worth of oxygen.
Can we go ahead and torture and to get information out a guy or water board and they would say hell yes and again show me all the bodies from waterboarding.
They'll be right next all the bodies from secondhand smoke.
I just think it's much ado about nothing that I have --
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