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Tony Sayegh and Stephen Sigmund discuss where President Obama stands in the most recent polls
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Here in our studio Tony -- is a former staff.
Advisor to Jack Kemp's 1996.
Vice president.
You too young.
We'll.
Just hit this Stephen sigma is a senior vice president managing director communications and global straight session.
What do you think of the president's response.
Us the poll numbers came out today it's not good for him.
He's losing among women which is astonishing.
He had -- face a nineteen point lead among women it's vanished.
Now it's at two point -- I think you have depends on what poll you look at -- locals would have I had among women the bottom line on polls it's been true.
Sense last year when the president's approval writers are on -- -- as good as there are now -- was -- two months ago its turnaround victory through November is that this is going to be a close election.
Is a very divided country and ultimately you're gonna did you lose -- points among women.
I don't think has lost an appointment wanted to look the reality is goalie is pulled it you're looking at two different balls manure and you're gonna -- revenues up ninety points awareness of -- was a Gallup polls -- their constable.
You know different -- different -- of people what happened.
Look it the bottom line is there are they're going to be periods where both candidates frankly spike among different parts of the electorate.
And do better among different parts -- the reality is it's going to be a close election now what I think.
Is that the president has better math -- can lose some big states and still win which Mitt Romney can't do.
He's gonna win some states in the west which Democrats have never -- before because of Mitt Romney a Republican partisan.
Crazy stance on immigration driving away.
The biggest growing voting block him -- in the country and he has a message that I think ultimately.
Fighting for the middle class vs a guy wants to give tax cuts for the wealthy and decimate Medicare and Medicaid that's gonna win.
Here on the -- importance which way to go.
All well well Greg -- talking points that we're in 2010 when the Democrats lost congress in historic numbers and they're certainly not gonna work in 2012.
That's the problem and and Wendell -- had a right on the -- when you're an incumbent it's very difficult to talk about.
-- future when you have a record connected to your performance in the past and that's the president's problem which is two things have been working.
In his favor of of -- That are now beginning to change and -- there it's the trajectory with the economy which people believe was recovering but now we're realizing that even though he says four point five million jobs.
Created by the -- still net loss in the last three years that still under what the economy would have created anyway based on inflation the economy doesn't grow.
200000 jobs a month he's been growing about a 15240000.
Jobs a month.
So we're realizing that after about April's -- report.
And -- huge victory in these polls which I do agree with you are erratic still show the president now going from what was.
A marginalized stick a stabilization and an upswing.
Now like downswing not just among women but moderates and independent voters to.
It's very attempting to do what you just it was just.
-- -- down at the little demographic pieces of Latinos and you know we're gonna get them because of this issue and African Americans but it really is political.
Ideology that you have to look at and independents make a large share of the deciding voting bloc they're moving to Mitt Romney.
And even the Romney leads.
The president 51 to 39%.
On the issue of wait a minute that's just basic presumptive fifteen and 51 to 39%.
When it comes to handling the.
On -- stove up and I was it was 55 for instance did read the 51 to 39% on handling the -- yet.
-- I think the president has work to do is -- artists out on on the economy some is not roundabout way of him in the end you're gonna have a significant debate over the next five months about the direction of the country and it an economy I sort of agree with Tom and I think this president should be talking more about.
His record on the economy the last thirty months it's in private sector job growth and every one of those last thirty months.
He saved hundreds of thousands of jobs of teachers and firefighters and states and municipalities that would have been decimated without the stimulus spending and he saved the seminal industry of the United States -- the auto industry so I think he does actually have a record that he can run on any vision that he can run on.
-- against a guy whose record on the economy is is is cutting jobs and and taking apart companies and and and family owned company.
Oh good or.
And isn't that that's an -- -- what what when you you'll find numbers his argument if it fails because you're talking with the stimulus correct.
By the president's own White House's report released this past summer.
It cost a quarter of the million dollars for each one of those -- he said that stimulus package that created the record that created this thing.
Well because you can quantify jobs that we're -- -- -- certainly as well network instead the White House the last X number and a quarter million dollars for the very inefficient way to do it got -- isn't out there and that won't.
-- -- at the same time that was a bail out that now has become it another additional trillion dollars in every budget.
Since then that's been the problem with the stimulus it -- the first time and now we have to live with the as part of our spending ever since passed that first time.
The second argument that you're trying to make.
In this respect that just because jobs have been created that this is somehow positive yes due to a degree.
But it's been below what the economy would have created if left totally on its own.
To keep up with -- -- keep up with the inflation and population growth.
The economy has to go 200000 jobs a month under this president the best numbers you're getting is a 145000.
You know I'm 140 wider argument -- worst yet.
Economic growth here argument -- the growth would be argument here on same sex marriage because I want to put up a couple of poll numbers.
These -- the New York Times CBS poll numbers.
67%.
Think that the president did it for political it and it.
And it the other poll to be fair should same sex marriage be legal.
42% say yes 51%.
Saying.
Is this beginning to affect the president's -- it.
And I don't fix and I think that one.
Increases are big numbers increasing what I see the results that there are times CBS poll sounds like they reach some more Republicans on this weekend.
You say it was so you guys.
I don't know it's one Paul I'm not sure -- -- how much are all right I have never look at the New York Times -- -- Yes -- -- that genetics clearly LA for Democrats.
And how exactly -- yeah I'm not suggesting that this -- for her for some.
Political purpose I'm saying that you know its prime work for all obvious that there are you -- different people at different times particularly.
It three -- is why you have to look at the difference with this is -- -- you have to look at a whole series of -- and not just -- But back to your question on same sex marriage.
I do not think that it will cost him votes aisles of the effect of no -- so I gave him votes and I -- and again by November this will be not much of an issue I can say this.
I mean I think that this president has been accused of not having courage.
You know negotiating too much when you look at at the total record we look at -- health care bill that lots of people don't like it's true.
But he got some we've gone for the first time in forty years and stuff -- stuck to his guns when you look at Libya and Osama bin Laden.
And foreign policy when he's been criticized over and over again on those things Republicans this -- -- Republicans get targeted -- as well.
And Venezuela noted and then here is about form so really I step and into the Booth and they vote their wallets and even plus I don't nobody cares about foreign policy that the carrying amount -- no money if he had -- failed record on it Republicans even after the generally he's a damn -- rather they -- makes him.
Foreign solid state -- needs that money.
Well.
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But who let let's really focus on the matter -- here which is jobs.
Democrats will often say that this is the president who created jobs -- this is also president who has spent.
Five trillion dollars to create these jobs has not created meaningful job growth has no economic growth to speak up.
On Greg and that's the problem.
It's one thing for the government to for a temporary period of time come in and relieve the private economy but it's another thing for them to consume too much money where it does not make its way into the economy to grow.
The thing you do -- it as a Democrat and -- view that this is a president who's done.
You do that easily to -- but I just went through.
This is a president who took over in the U.
Worst recession in our history -- the size of the -- and it didn't I want stimulus I don't know I only will never go above 8% set on Taylor six to 8% at that 8% up please I never thought it was going to suck and are witnessing your -- yeah it would go by the percentage was not present valid contender along there.
I'm done to Faneca how could -- have a good record.
This is -- president took us through the worst recession in our history and -- stabilize the kind of stabilize the economy I have thirty months of job growth.
Does a president who saved the seminal industry.
And in the United States the -- the auto industry this is -- president who has a tremendously strong record.
On foreign policy even when he was being attacked this is a president who did what George Bush couldn't do.
Which was find and kill Osama bin Laden and this is a president who -- protected the middle class against Republican efforts to cut to give tax cuts and.
Well that's why you can't and don't I think I'm very aeronautics and at their lowest is thirty years in the middle middle class incomes today are at their lowest in thirty years the -- -- actually nothing apparently deliberate -- -- an animal -- economy much deliberate well stick to your wrong.
Don't look at Forbes magazine's column that really points out.
Exactly where we stand today and people in the middle class make less money under the four years of President Obama.
That it did on the the eight years of George Bush and the reason is because the middle class succeeds when the economy is growing the economy has not grown.
At all an inflation up until very recently -- -- inflation up until recently has been going up which we all know is the highest highest tax on the middle class because it affects.
-- products that are consumed from electricity to groceries to gas -- to everything that.
Every American has to spend money on so.
But inflation is the highest personal -- what's Mitt Romney's solution which is what the president has failed to understand which is the best engine of economic growth.
Comes from the private economy not the government spending still doesn't let -- create -- have you ever asked yourself that --
