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About double those issues as we -- -- most of the series radios that Catholic dying and Jennifer Miller executive director of bioethics international welcome.
Thank you -- -- -- get your reaction to what Jim -- talking but he went over about a variety of topics but I wanna get to reactions due to all of what he said.
And just the latest what's happening now with a Catholic Church filing this federal lawsuit Jennifer want to go ahead.
Sorry so I think ad deputy speaker had it right it's not such an issue who's going to be -- for the contraception is my main issue.
The government's attempt to define -- religion is in the -- -- its defining -- for at class James Barrett and not.
Being that they're not parents believe that the Catholic religion understands it speak to each have very damp today the US -- had left.
You're considered considered a religious institution if first you teach are trying to impress your religious values second me -- -- play primarily.
Catholics married years senator primarily Catholics and forced to -- under -- certainly.
I dare I hair styling -- so if you look at the lead at the Catholic churches have.
And it does not at the cash tells me not actually meet those criteria and certainly the hospitals.
-- -- means.
Then nursing homes and I think that.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Likely won't neat piece and commentary and in fact from the Bible that Jesus himself -- -- disciples when he's he's far criterion so I think that that's the consent.
The US government overstepping its foundry in defining religion and defining incorrectly exactly exactly -- we -- what do you think.
I think first of all the administration has made it a great argument to say -- -- -- the Catholics are against contraception why they so against contraception you know.
Women Catholic Church are for contraception -- put all different -- so I think first of all.
Those who might be against the Catholic Church in whatever way say.
Make us look silly quite frankly because they go well you know those -- -- a cup and everything those mean old bishops they're out of hundred everything as well.
And so they have always the argument to be about Catholics don't want contraception the bishops don't.
Given nearly -- the argument and problem loses at the Catholic churches -- has done a very very good job of expanding at an understanding that this is not just about contraceptives.
I love -- that.
That was -- -- yesterday at the religious freedom conference he said he had this is it's not about.
Pelvic issues this isn't it sent to think about public policy not about pelvic issues.
Let me play and speaking at a conference yesterday on the -- of -- -- from professor Gerald Bradley needs and Notre Dame law professor Robert Notre Dame is one of the 43 Catholic institutions that are part of this federal lawsuit filed on Monday take a listen what he said about at the conference yesterday.
A lot of people recognize.
That something different to new and and challenging and -- Harsh is happening.
Right now and our country with regard to religious liberty the contraception mandate is probably the -- point of that.
That's the other thing only present spoke with yesterday is bishop archbishop William Lori who is your -- of Baltimore.
He is the had -- the you US conference of Catholic bishops' ad hoc committee.
On religious liberty -- a committee that they created the last September as a response to some of the things -- we're seeing.
And that if you -- his positions become much more prominent as this issue has become much more much more of it of an issue.
The one thing he -- -- yesterday said they did not look for this fight that this was something that was brought to them.
You know that you and this is not something that they would've chose to fight.
But they had to because it up their backs were against the wall with what -- support at this hour.
It.
When the health care bill was being debated we spoke about the need for clear conscience protection.
We then supported remedial legislation.
When Mac conscience protection didn't get into the health care bill.
We did everything we could to prevent us.
And that really is the case -- and -- it when you look at what the what's happening over the last few weeks.
It sounds as if there is a at a I don't really understand.
Why there isn't this of more.
Consider response from the Obama administration ends at fifty things come to mind that we that this can and that is quite interesting Saturday if -- if I'm understanding this correctly today.
The Obama administration can outsource things that I went institute of medicine -- that come up with some guidelines -- which.
As serves as a preventative care act items which cutter in this exact instant I am and that's together -- guidelines in that -- -- contraception and it's very sterilization procedures accent and now -- now normally.
Playing there at ninety she's mad -- -- cut and they have to be published in central federal register that they're open to public comments.
Now because this outsource I went there was snow on UN is what I -- -- -- at a stand up and very.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- At the public comments that -- that would normally company federal guidelines and that was problem number one and.
Oh my -- problem number two payable -- -- -- this is unfair.
I -- in my net that I think and that I think the second problem which is bad for everybody is that.
It makes church and state look like -- really opposed to 1 another where -- -- there should be respectful separation but.
The church -- state should be talking -- what they can do together nobody looks good in this.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Salient -- because normally when they do get together have really results not to look at the Catholic -- -- at the Catholic.
Social services and that the schools.
Then the soup kitchens.
There results city do you accept federal funding may have been partnerships between government and Catholic at charities to provide certainty to the bottom on the court the black.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I've seen and elementary school students at that any good secondary schools and and and definitely at this and then being pressed to your point -- -- -- -- and -- -- -- -- -- -- The public school.
On the which are expanding on our.
This is a an article from the LA times -- -- came yesterday.
And -- and it says -- What they're -- we -- talk with -- -- is what they're failing to season a much bigger challenges that should have been truly worried the independence of Catholic women.
Assuming it -- -- yet that the argument is still about contraceptives.
And it.
The Catholic Church is doing a very good job of expanding this to -- to -- to talk about what -- this freedom but the problem is as if they're.
You're not really getting anything accomplished if you really not talking about the same thing that really ignoring that they're there on the -- around the they're out there us essentially -- defense we're talking about religious freedom in -- because the temperature has taken the position of being on the offensive saying this is what how we're gonna let.
You look at women -- good there had been no largely that the liberals there.
Democrats reason -- chairman -- claiming that their pumpkins and then we're not friendly towards than it actually.
Even if he thinks -- friendly towards winning because if you look at it this -- scrambled in the Catholic.
Schools.
And half of their only a single parent him if he's there we can correct caring for children and what -- that.
But I think today they east programs -- -- covering afterschool programs basically -- sitting right there they're getting their keys light up.
And I just don't -- this is actually healthy women you're going to meet -- -- eat into something.
You know -- -- -- a couple of the M chats are coming in a comment from all four jury.
Says this many violent civil freedoms it said that both sides run away from the Roe vs.
Wade.
Belief that reproductive rights is an individual liberty not something that can be -- -- -- government.
Also comment from John W writer.
He says abortion is against god as a baby in the body is fully developed in two months of conception.
It is God's child he gave in and gave it life when a woman decides to abort.
She is committing murder these are obviously very conservative views of most of a lot of people don't agree with but you know it -- -- things that you know.
There have brought out of this debate -- -- when he said let's talk a moment and I agree I had my favorite topic compact and this article -- -- she married couple tell me about it if I agree with that a 100% there's -- that we can all agree upon Catholics.
A veto it we'll my arranged marriage I think that was that actually works very well how well we're glad that I'm planning -- -- -- each group that.
Yeah okay it's okay we -- -- what color my hair nobody will know it's great effect look.
But the article referencing I think it's interesting because it's all -- -- you know these these old conservative bishops are alienating women.
And as someone who knows -- to alienate women.
I disagree with the premise of it and that's the beauty of the PR sort of campaign going against this -- is it's not a question of alienating women and it's not a question of the bishops saying more out of touch with the world vision this thing we know we don't even necessarily have our own people.
Maybe in agreement about contraception and stuff but this is at the core of all religious freedom and it's not consider conservative liberal because the University of Notre Dame.
Who -- -- invited President Obama to give a commencement speech gave an honorary doctorate so you -- -- very friendly.
It is also part of they they filed a suit in federal court against the administration so it's not.
Liberal conservative it's not we don't like President Obama it's where that is freedom that's.
A bit of debate though at Notre -- about it it's Catholic and not been -- -- -- -- Catholic identity -- this -- Obama there was brought out back of the controversy.
But one of the things -- might ask you both about is that in the Gallup poll a couple of days ago -- showed that.
82% of of Catholic.
-- Catholics actually believe that it's contraceptives are morally acceptable.
And saying what is that you've got a real disconnect between the the Catholic Church holding the line on contraceptives -- against Catholic teachings.
82% of the Catholics are saying hey it's morally acceptable.
Well I would Catholics right I I don't know about her I I sit I barely.
I would say that it's.
Maybe it's a question of education maybe it's a question of persuasion maybe it's a question of leadership.
But.
Even if nobody is following the church teachings on anything that doesn't mean the church is supposed to change and I more than.
Someone might best friends who are Jewish eat bacon well I don't know I mean they know it's there on the rabbis they don't need to make him hastily bacon and so it's not a question of will the people are doing it's we have to change or teaching it's a question of it's it's not as a democratic process -- we can get people on board with what we're trying to teach and remind them this is religious freedom.
Not about contraception that.
Jennifer what else what would would your answer that it is the -- just having a hard time communicating to its.
Its members about what their beliefs are and and why.
I think the person you can answer this deserves some kind of Nobel Prize.
Add however I won't say it's -- -- 90% to -- at.
Winning a child -- eat -- united teach him he's contraception and some point in their life.
And so they would appear to be disconnect but also 50% of pregnancies -- -- -- -- -- -- And to finish -- to contraception thing isn't selling its happens to have issues.
And why -- leaning.
-- very cheese contraception.
About it and not taxes you make their lifestyles rain and snow in the United States.
We are getting married later and sand -- is.
Then you make a very challenging turn mean.
Your cheeks before their hands and so a lot of massive -- announcements -- remotely do you see -- that sometimes people end up supporting.
The Catholic teachings after their solidly married and -- -- -- -- this country and its lifestyle.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Actually have to wrap it up but I want actually also point -- that.
You are taking off the Boston for a new job IE 800 I believe there's an exam areas in doing he -- -- -- at Harvard.
-- -- Boy you couldn't get into a better university you really have to get any aliens irritate me and they think they'll take up yet I'll be a fellow on the streets by this city's history until -- in -- -- that.
And they wanna thank both of the Jennifer Miller and generally for being on the our second panel actually today thank you very much for being here thank you think again.
