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I welcome -- -- resilience.
As steely resilience and Debbie resilience.
Stevie is a prominent photographers work with the celebrity clients the official photographer of Glendale Colorado.
Stevie and have even begin for 25 years men and 86 when they were both single and working.
And a hospital in Rapid City, South Dakota and welcome you both -- the programs TV inevitably remain here.
You -- let me just start with the of course.
You went to the -- by the way I've got a kidney stones is the worst pain you can possibly have.
-- to tell me what avenue you went and you had a sonogram.
You've got some shocking news.
Well an ultrasound and the system and the ministers talent casually says -- -- -- female and so of course the machine.
-- your female owned and that was -- because I've always felt that way.
-- I think when they told you by the way according to this machine you're a woman.
What did I mean no would do what how -- hearing actual is that moment like -- Well well if it was scary and it was audience the same time because.
-- Debbie of course was in the room we were in the emergency room I was in a lot of pain and discomfort and at first I was.
Like this is amazing because it's is validated everything I've always known about.
So you -- -- -- really isn't as you said it resonated with you based on the way you felt.
Yes but it was very scary because -- herded to and of course I was never gonna tell anybody ourselves.
The deadly -- jury should I thought that explains.
Every -- -- What do these play.
Well I had always -- speed he had -- had a very feminine trying to.
And so me I had always had this -- Gaining the it was something more but there was nothing -- -- that I could put my finger on the green and I never talked to Stevie about it.
-- -- We didn't -- who has adamantly.
Not going to talk about it and he would get that kind he was intent on being the best man.
-- could be.
Stevie Wonder what -- -- mean when did you earn your intent on not talking about these feelings.
Did they kind of surface and you kind of avoided them before what what happened.
When I remembered I was about -- -- started having those feelings I started you know worn my mom make up mourn her clothes and dressing up and that's when I felt like -- looked out my look at myself in the mirror and when I.
When I looked at myself with all those things I just didn't feel good about myself and and the like but he's also she did it begin to to frighten him and I begin hateful laws and then became the struggle.
How to word process I mean all the -- into this world that I don't I'm obviously not fitting -- Because I think I have external male part but.
Has the ultrasound revealed internal -- apart from once I knew they were fair I mean I could find them.
It was like I'd just like couldn't I talk about suicide a lot but I.
There was no Internet there was and this is in the sixties and the holy along with -- -- I've -- going with only -- -- -- figure out as a photographer you know I grew up ground photography and I was doing now one of the picture is old and working in the darkroom and and all -- -- -- And that gave me an identity in -- way to express myself so from from there -- just -- decided that that the best.
And only option I had was to create this may -- respond which I wrote.
Because it was called street view him as he protected me and and -- my armor.
Were we were attracted to women who yeah.
So even though you felt like you were had -- -- a large feminine side.
You're not attracted to women or you know you're not attracted men -- were attracted to women.
And I think about what was confusing because everybody always -- what your sections.
You know and reforms that he -- although it's exceptional.
In response to say male female but really that question should be what gender you.
And my gender has nothing do with my sexual preference they're -- is totally separate things.
Well and that's a Demi -- you in an all the literature read about your relationship and all the news that's come out over the last few days.
-- all said the family immediately accepted Steve has Steven.
And there was a warm embrace.
-- line in that there was this didn't become an issue it's it's almost.
That such an -- the -- transition for the.
Quote unquote too good to be troops well.
He and -- it was just struggle if it wasn't -- overnight to anguish you know this began with Stevie and -- side and a happier to prop.
And it was.
Commissioned me I would.
I was OK it was like OK let's go shopping.
And again as as time went on and I I -- hand outs.
If federal gay friends.
-- and my acceptance love.
Immediate way he can -- do not saying that DP was okay but that I've.
Open minded I I was open mind.
I -- you had been with you've been -- 25 years someone you love.
And you accepted him as a man he was a man -- -- you each -- other children -- other marriages and I understand it do you have children together but.
That was there a kind of a morning of the end of one part of the relate action.
Oh good god again.
Yes I impatiently I I was very open what it -- Got to the point where okay.
It's real it's here it's and I have -- greens.
The law of my parents my.
And -- just -- and -- yeah yeah and and recruit -- united then the head to.
And I went through its gate where I I didn't -- non-GAAP man I got.
A pardon me I can't campaign.
And it can I didn't sign on -- this I.
Who -- done pretty anything.
On who signed on for cancer who hang on more.
A paraplegic or.
Heard of -- Would you feel that I feel are -- -- you feel that you were misled.
-- -- You're not mentally and you know there was -- -- there was no anger toward Steve.
Are happy now.
-- -- a lot of what point Steve did you become Stevie.
-- home when I was born.
I'll -- -- called when a little.
And WP record in the end might this they're calling you know Christ he decries so.
I've always been the always been lying -- I think you know it's interesting that.
None of us look the -- as we didn't return -- -- the bodies are constantly changing.
And yet that's how that cover for the book that we make those judgments and so for me I've always been the -- person inside -- we are inside doesn't change our exteriors console.
Change when did you feel liberated back -- only.
If I'm -- do you feel liberated.
It I can -- you know what I live in the -- country but I.
Like my Brothers were threatened black skin Brothers and sisters were threatened -- can I haven't been pretty -- be me.
And so now I it is very liberated it's.
-- -- -- because because.
I don't think people really have a grasp on what it's like to get up every day in my field will be yourself to have to have the full fodder for New York.
Tough to always pretend.
Tell all the -- be careful to never be able to even take a dream because there's soaker this might come out.
I I I will put this in the contacts.
We had several people I have stressful -- me before I did.
-- want to come out and BT.
Now at this at this point in and it -- It you know can he can and do you know what it's like -- long for campaign cash and I don't mean -- something everybody wants something.
But -- -- -- something that.
But you never -- you -- half stepped half that was just.
That your your your preached just.
Well there but she couldn't happen and that's.
He I don't try to explain to people but that's.
It's been -- -- DB and that -- There she can be who she.
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