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The Wisconsin recall odyssey

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    A look at the Wisconsin recall's long, tumultous journey and potential impact

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First up Craig Gilbert the Milwaukee journal sentinel joins us next seep right through -- are you okay taking it back to how this all started this the first time that Wisconsin's have a recall for governor right.

-- only the third time in American history this has happened it happened when Governor Walker was swept into office along with a Republican legislature in the wave election of 2010 and then.

Surprise a lot of people by announcing that he was gonna curb collective bargaining for public employees Saddam.

Something that that wasn't an expected move and created if you're.

On the left and among -- set off protests and now recalls went out did he ever sit in the in the race to the intended to better they catch him by surprise when when he was running for our -- for governor.

Did he say this but I'm going to definitely talked about concessions.

By unions and public employees glad he didn't talk about from going after collective bargaining rights and union certification the way he did.

He really was a shock including to some people his own party -- so and in the midst of all this latest add more drama to it a number of democratic senators decide they hit the road.

When there was going to be this vote on this collective bargaining session.

Yeah that was the other big surprise they went to Illinois and in retrospect I think people both parties thought it was a Smart tactic because it elevated this whole battle we could have been two or three day battle and then forgotten.

But it perk it resulted in a protracted impasse and it just kind of raise the temperature and then you had hundreds of thousands of people.

Protest saying it and that led to the recall movement.

And more recalls than any state has ever seen in history.

Thanks so a lot of enthusiasm time enthusiast who is seven -- out there some people taking over the state capital we see the videotape of people -- extraordinary.

-- who want Stephen and I time but the recall -- the collective bargaining battle.

Well the governor wanna many have the power to implement his agenda he got it done.

The unions have had to live with changes that not only I think.

Create less incentive for employees to join unions because they can't really collective bargaining.

Very much but also made it harder for unions to survive I mean they have to recertify themselves every year they can't.

Deduct union dues this -- still being waged in court but it was a huge setback for the unions.

In terms of the actual application of what has happened is his seat at the community is better off fiscally or not a minute where's it too soon to see how this -- -- -- terms of its act economic impact.

-- this is at the core of the debate in the gubernatorial recall election is and it is kind of early and we know a little bit and the experience varies from city to city.

And community to community kind of depends on.

What kind of state -- those places are getting it depends on whether they sign contracts before the collective bargaining rules for changed or not but this is really at the nub of the issue is the legacy that the governor is leaving behind for schools and for taxpayers.

Well -- unions now that they supported the candidate from Dane County in the primary out of this far she didn't make it so now.

Are they out and in does support in the mayor mayor Tom Barrett in the race of the do you see -- around.

Yeah they're not they're not mailing it in I mean they're out there working their very motivated to try to recall the governor I -- -- their enemy.

And so they're working hard to you know there's been some division.

At different levels within the union movement within the Democratic Party.

Over the tactics over how to do this and whether it was the right thing to do or not but they're they're working in the fighting to try to put sending governor home.

Is there a sense of it -- the enthusiasm the media you look at protest to tell people are really hot aren't really enthusiastic.

And then you look at the numbers of people who came out during the primary.

-- to pick the democratic candidate or where motherhood and not -- the recall petition.

Do you get the same sort of sense that the level of enthusiasm aside a year ago by the Democrats was there at the primary.

Well you know June 5 full answer this question for us but it's a real question I mean we know the intensity is there on the Republican side and in the way people turned -- for Scott Walker -- -- token primary.

It's a long time for Democrats and for people only union movement to keep that fire burning I mean this -- been going on for fifteen months.

So I think they'll be -- turn I think both sides are energized but in terms of who has the energy you as the turnout advantage we're gonna find out on June 5.

-- -- the sense -- -- it during -- campaign if -- a lot of signs up and people are knocking on doors you really feel some of the energy is there when you do you have that sort of heavy energy and this and this race of people have a little fatigued well I think.

Some people definitely have fatigue and this is thing going on for a long time Wisconsin writes some Wisconsin -- -- be voting six times this year.

Is there recall -- can mean there were legislative recalls last summer there's another round of four along with the gubernatorial recall.

The state elections board is predicting a huge turnout almost at presidential levels and so if that happens there won't be recall fatigue.

Greg thank you --

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