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Holder faces questions on ‘Fast & Furious’

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    Ellen Ratner and Sue Kelly on the political implications this has for the White House

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Kelly is a former New York Republican congresswoman and she was in the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 2007.

I -- -- house she did that representing New York's nineteenth district which is only nineteen at the time.

And that that's we just very back on our show that you worry governor Romney -- now to the gas as well.

Yes I am so we can add that to your bio.

Ellen Ratner is -- -- -- talk radio news service.

And she covers all things White House and congress I'm curious to know what you think about the circled.

You know I I just think that.

It -- gotten into a bunch of bureaucratic.

Messes and I think that.

He is not responsible I really down and irresponsible well I think it probably happened on a lower level I really do and I think people.

So -- -- uncles and suddenly alert -- something that large cast to a yeah I did so who is responsible.

Why can't I think it's lower level guy so you think that's good enough -- a pedestal of old guys who don't think that that I think are not going to be able to a finger at Eric Holder on this I really don't and by the way I'm excited that you're going to be -- republic.

Mentioned I hope you'll be a star on radio row there.

I'll come see you okay all yeah we're nice sweet it is not the easiest solution here and I -- and they can't we have 35.

What that's like if you look I don't know now.

I just want to say that if Harry Truman felt the -- stopped on his desk Harry Truman must be rolling in his grave this one with Eric Holder.

Eric Holder as the attorney general this is his job to know what his department is doing and he didn't.

It didn't either he didn't -- he approved it and he's covering.

Unless of course it worked for the GSA.

And -- learned that now that the kid it's gonna pick up.

I think it back to the guy -- hot you know lining up across the street neighbor in Washington was -- gorging and she.

Out and death I forgot who was the Hud secretary that weren't all kinds of trouble and never -- after President Reagan.

At that point.

Four what she had done during the Reagan administration and all that kind of stuff was still way the president knew about what was going -- -- I.

I guess -- I think -- that's where is that knowing about it and being responsible.

Should not be mutually exclusive -- it whether you know about it -- you then you're still responsible.

That's what I hear you say yeah absolutely and they had to have read.

He somebody there had to read that big stack of paper it wouldn't -- one sheet while the one she got here.

-- they don't really make me read to us on the air OK Brian -- of New York says holder will skip around today and spit on a hot stove.

Yeah and in just -- -- about the -- by doing that but it does make lots of steam.

I -- a lot Intel bomb.

And thought this was interstate -- service one writes this cover up was actually worse than Watergate no one was killed in that operation -- -- talking about.

The US border agent who.

-- reportedly was killed by one of the guns that they traced back to this operation -- I mean look I think this whole thing is bad it's unfortunate it's terrible.

I just don't see how you're going to be able to finger in the attorney general I just don't see it.

I see him splitting words that the saints -- on the hot stove sitting on the hot so it's great you.

-- -- -- -- but he's splitting words he's talking about he he didn't approve the tactics.

He didn't know the tactics -- a minute what did he know.

He's not being Terry let me ask your question -- in congress.

And people would get up before your committee.

And you knew they were like splitting words or whatever I'm not saying holder's doing as well would your reaction be and you can't just say to somebody -- line from the podium.

Well -- you can you can -- it absolutely you don't have to say you're lying.

You -- -- would say something like you may want to check your facts they don't that doesn't correlate with what.

I like that -- that's it I think that not just that.

Well.

That's better than what we think in my -- -- -- why alive infant by -- Better go Qaeda and its that the whole thing there and -- and a clever way of doing about how.

People do that before your committee surprised how many people try to get by with something they think that you don't Wear that as a person of the chair doesn't really read it what's going on.

I always read the testimony I ten -- of people I want that testimony in at least 24 hours before we have a hearing.

Because if you don't read.

People's testimony you don't know what they're trying to put over on you or -- I don't understand.

A lot of the times those people knew a lot more of the in depth.

Part of well and I always definitely people are running loose with the facts which you write something down for some reason people don't remember writing it down.

-- so.

It's easier to catch somebody any Avis truth once they've actually put something -- paper I finds that testimony is very important a lot of work is the chairman.

This -- -- -- -- -- there until two and 3 in the morning before -- hold -- hearing.

Reading massive amounts of testimony but it was worth -- and it can't endorse it I could run that.

You -- for -- lights out for -- I would assume David Larsen writes how can anybody think that running fully automated guns as they small operation.

And that holder would not have known about it act out asleep.

I -- is doing that's more important.

Well I think give the attorney general has a lot of amazing.

Lee important things to write flying with them before the Supreme Court.

Well -- just the cases health care for the Supreme Court healthcare Supreme Court FBI and mean FBI is under the Justice Department.

It hit the holders -- the FBI that.

But by now but we know I'm not like he's let it -- bigger than passengers is guy brings -- -- series is not.

As largest health care as large as the kind of not running health care.

That's not in the Justice Department well it back and defending that law is going to be if -- well -- -- terms and.

People would do that what -- -- -- -- analysts to do is keep track that's the job of a secretary.

You have to be out there and holding and knitting together all of the strands of things that are in your department.

And if you don't do it right that's exactly what Darrell ice is doing.

He's he's really fulfilling.

-- that that's my point from good service -- that.

That the job that he's actually I think it was -- that Chris that I put words in -- -- I apologize but -- of our chat.

Viewers who's writing that they don't feel that I think has handled this properly what do you think I think I think -- -- house I think he's doing the best he can't right now.

There's a lot of conflict when you schedule a hearing.

And the way you scheduled the hearing.

And he's been waiting for some there's been some gaps between the time he started this these hearings and now and the reason is that.

His staff is developing and other people are coming forward with more information.

-- and so he when he has a hearing it with colder now what's gonna happen is he has information -- probably knows he has it.

So it's going to be it's it's.

I may not Obama you know I had as a city another -- -- this -- for the second time this morning live chat Watergate why is that.

I was isn't it like that -- I was in office during Watergate this is like I was there.

We held the hearings on Watergate in my committee.

-- -- I'm so yeah.

I'm thinking I think it might wonder why I'm while -- -- -- right -- the live chat.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I just honestly I know you think that I am doing my democratic saying the -- you know I'm this I'm telling you really I don't I don't think.

Holder knew everything.

And I certainly don't think that act he's responsible I just don't not -- number one selling or anybody who will light up my response I -- this wording isn't her thing and I don't.

I think it hasn't and he wasn't a winner.

That we'll see what happens -- I'm gonna move on out.

The economy of fed chair Ben Bernanke is going to let testify before the joint economic committee in about 33 minutes -- he's on schedule.

He's expected not to get an easy time of -- they're gonna ask him some tough questions what would you ask -- it.

I would I'd like to ask him a direct question about whether or not.

He thought the pass stimulus money was worth.

I was worth putting out in two it into the the big.

Public expect and whether or not he expects this to be a little have a little more oversight over how this stimulus money is spent if he's going to.

Go for another another stimulus which -- apparently.

Wall Street and many other people seem to think he's going to do.

Yeah I value my first question of him are you gonna -- -- stimulus money into the economy what would you ask -- and the question I would ask him is the Congressional Budget Office report came out this week.

About.

Have about the -- tax them the bush tax cuts and I would ask him if the bush tax cuts happen.

What does he see the long term effect if they don't happen and I was that they don't.

Reauthorize them what is going to be the long term effect and which tax cuts does does he think if there are tax cuts.

Would promote the economy and which ones do not yet.

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