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We may remember this past week as the moment when voters across the country decide -- Public worker unions have too much power and benefits that are too generous.
But was that a turning point or just bump in the road for government workers.
Today we'll hear from both sides will top -- top officials of big labor in a few minutes but first from his home state of Indiana Republican governor Mitch Daniels.
Who was fought and won against unions and governor welcome back to FOX News Sunday.
There have been several big developments this week of course -- Wisconsin.
Governor Walker beat back the recall leopard.
But also in California two cities San Diego and San Jose in both of those cities voters.
Passed initiatives to cut back on government worker pensions.
Governor what's the message.
I think the message is that first of all voters are seeing the fundamental unfairness of government becoming its own special interest group.
Sitting on both sides of the table and they're also noticing that sadness.
That thought when fundamental services and education and health care and others.
Are -- diminished because so much money is being.
And devoured by a very high salaries higher than those that the taxpayers themselves -- earning more generous benefits.
Almost bulletproof job protection and huge pensions.
Is this some sort of watershed what we're saying right now are voters across the country giving state and local officials.
A green light to go laughter or at least curtail public unions.
I hope nobody thinks of it that way but I hope that I hope it means -- -- -- turning point.
In trying to redress the balance.
If there's a reason that defenders of labor from Franklin Roosevelt the George -- -- many others.
Always said that unionism had no place in the in the public sector that it was a necessary freedom and it is in the private sector.
But that it was.
A bad idea in government and I think we've seen through its accesses the -- I just mention now visible to voters almost everywhere.
It really needs to be brought under -- sort of control in the interest that the people who.
Pay the taxes and who would rather see those taxes more of them dollars go to vital services well are you saying that you would like to see no.
Public worker unions.
I think really government works better without them I really do you know.
In in our state we had a sixteen year run with so called collective bargaining.
And we did and it.
And I want to say that the although it led to the saving of of large amounts of tax dollars it wasn't principally about that we had a 160 pages of the shackles really on government's ability to deliver services better and seven years later we are delivering services across the board in a much more effective way to people.
We could never made all these reforms tied down by those 160 pages of thou -- not.
Well give me an example -- -- hollowed out services improve since you've cut back on on the union's.
If you if you're deserving a tax refund it comes back twice as fast as it used to.
Our state parks are -- dramatically better shape than they were if you go to our bureau of motor vehicles last month.
You're out in less than ten minutes.
And 97% of the time when we survey them our customers say they're satisfied.
Let's look at you at what you have done as governor of Indiana and it's a long less -- let's take a look in 2005 -- ended collective bargaining rights for state workers.
On your first day in office in 2011.
You restricted teachers bargaining rights in 2012 this year you signed a right to work law.
That says people don't have to join a union to get a job.
It sounds governor like a pretty concerted effort to break.
Public and private unions.
Don't see it that way at all and I will say.
That on the on the government side we felt that if we were gonna do right by taxpayers and if we were gonna make government work effectively.
As it now -- an Indiana there was a survey last year -- 77%.
Of hoosiers said they thought their state government was effective as the second highest number in the country.
If we were gonna do those things we really had to have the freedom to move resources where they were needed.
Move people where they were needed pay people on the basis of their performance not simply their seniority and we are doing that in the state now I think the very positive effect.
Right to work in the private side with a very different.
Disagreement Chris then and there was simply a matter trying to bring more jobs to this state Indiana.
Has been winning two thirds of the time when we get a shot at new jobs we have been rated as one of the best jobs -- in the country by everyone now.
There was a very large percentage of the time maybe a third of all the opportunities we didn't even get a shot at.
Because the businesses.
For their own reasons insisted on this freedom so.
Two very separate questions as we saw them we're not going after anybody -- -- -- -- after better government.
And more jobs for -- people in our state but -- in to take.
A look at this and all the reforms as you would call a government worker is in your state have taken -- yet.
Indiana ranks 46 -- state worker.
In Indiana must pay a lot more for health care coverage than they used to -- mean they have paid a price because of all of your actions.
I disagree completely.
Particularly those who have been rated as the best performers have had the highest.
Raises by far in recent state history in fact ever in state.
History I think we have a fair system now state workers.
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