Should Attorney General Holder resign?
Panel discusses the Holder leak probe and Fla. sued over non-citizen voter list
- Duration 11:00
- Date Jun 13, 2012
Panel discusses the Holder leak probe and Fla. sued over non-citizen voter list
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Talk about Eric Holder the senate hearing going on right now the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.
And -- senator John Cornyn of Texas a Republican.
Has called for holder's resignation in addition a house panel is gonna be scheduling a vote for next week.
On these contempt of court.
Proceedings are saying that they're not getting all the information they need in their probe -- -- gun running operation fast and furious this in addition to be.
An investigation into the leaks that some say.
Are coming from the government what our panelists.
One of our chatters that is is already asking.
What are the odds that that -- holder is going to actually be held.
In contempt of court let's start with Amos Snead what do you think.
Why I think what we learned yesterday is senator John Cornyn from Texas is not messing around.
I think you know this fast in various is drug on for so long.
Because 2000 guns have been our Justice Department are government handed to people that were not pay any good intentions nobody's been held accountable so I think what we're seeing.
Is that several different committees in the house and the senate trying to actually figure out whose fault was this who should be held responsible and that's why this stays in the news he keeps going on week to week.
Tony -- so what about the question the house right now poised to -- schedule a vote.
On these contempt proceedings.
Where they know that makes it to the house and the senate.
-- here and the senate but I.
-- and it just things just he'll be just the house resolution.
What's interesting about the case even Darrell ice that has has essentially said we don't suspect that.
What the case of a fast and furious.
That the attorney general has actually done anything wrong here did the delay is over -- word that relate to the attorney general.
The delay in the whole hubbub is about whether or not they're getting the information they want when they when they want and and and he insists well we're giving you what we can legally provide to you and then there's the -- but -- there's not a whole lot there and I -- essentially admitted that much over the past few weeks or months.
So famous so you have Senator John McCain Republican and a Lindsey Graham also -- Republican.
Demanding a special prosecutor be appointed in this case.
They are not happy with the two people appointed by the attorney general to conduct this investigation what say you.
Well I think if you're looking at those two individuals not meant McCain and senator Graham.
You know these are people that aren't they -- national security very serious they've spent their whole lives their whole professional career.
Focused on national security so when you see leaks like this come out that may be used as some.
Partisan play to make the president look tough.
Going into real action you know that really gets under their skin and I think that's what we saw yesterday.
In the -- -- this should be taken a lot more serious it's not a partisan issue there should not be national security information leaked out there.
For political -- And you know Tony we have seen some bipartisan criticism of these leagues so we should say you know one of them involved.
How involved President Obama is in shaping the list of terror targets for our US drone strikes.
And another one -- that was written about the New York Times is this a cyber campaign to disrupt.
-- -- a nuclear program critics on both sides saying that these stories potentially very damaging.
To our national security.
Experts Dianne Feinstein a Democrat -- -- -- about woman of the Senate Intelligence Committee -- has been critical although she does not agree that a special prosecutor.
Needs to be appointed but.
-- helped make this seem less of political.
If if what will what would make it seamless political if if you had a special prosecutor appointed.
A -- I think what would make it look less political is if Republican senators were directing -- the attorney general for how to do his job he's the I think the best case he made was he's been very effective in this administration has been very effective in prosecuting lakers they take it very seriously.
When when Eric Holder took this on and appointed prosecutors there was no reason to think they would do they were treated.
I understand this does come down to politics again it isn't that John McCain and Lindsey Graham don't take national security seriously.
They do but they also are politicians who wolf -- -- at the at at the opportune time and this is one of those times to say.
It's not -- well of course it was defeated appointed a special prosecutor that wouldn't be enough that it would be important to him -- always have -- room for them to call war.
More prosecution of something the -- the and I don't think the Justice Department is and should or will flinch on this because -- they actually are good at.
Rooting -- -- they take it seriously to.
-- are moving on to next topic.
The Justice Department is suing Florida over its efforts to -- purge it's voter registration rolls of people who might not actually be.
US citizens and -- -- the state of Florida is suing the federal government for impeding its efforts to.
-- -- citizens of back and forth that goes.
We've got the lawsuit being filed by the federal government saying that Florida is in violation of the federal.
National voter registration act and that their efforts are inaccurate and -- reliable.
Their efforts to verify who is and who is not a citizen and this you know they did point out a couple of examples the critics of Florida's effort.
Saying that there's -- -- producing the picture of -- US passport.
Of one voter who was found on the list the Florida had identified as potentially not being a citizen another one is a World War II veteran his citizenship.
Had been questioned.
That the lawsuit to have any validity in terms of whether or not the Floridian effort is accurate.
I think what you're seeing governor Scott doing -- -- they found a hundred in over a 180000.
People were registered to vote that were not US citizens.
-- this is a bigger issue -- this one lawsuit I mean we have.
You should be out you know you should be a citizen you should be paying taxis be pain and and be here illegally if you're gonna vote in the election I think what.
The governor's doing is really taking a stand here to say let's have this discussion -- -- requires suing the justice department for this discussion to end up in the front of Americans outside the state of Florida.
It's the right now.
So -- Tony the Justice Department is suing Florida Florida has turned around and actually sued the Department of Homeland Security.
The basis of their lawsuit is that the federal government has denied them.
Access to a database.
That would allow them to more accurately verify.
The citizenship of registered voters so it isn't right for the federal government on the one hand to be saying well your efforts are not using accurate methods.
But then when Florida says well we could make it more accurate if you would give us is database and the government says what we want to be the database is -- are contradictory.
Actually it's a cop out on -- and from the Florida governors and for -- secretary of state standpoint.
They're the ones who produced 380.
Thousand voter list.
And in that in that list and I think it's important to correct something that was said earlier.
That's -- the people who are held culpable -- the problem is that list it's riddled with errors may be from one sampling as high as 30%.
And so if this before election officials are saying.
We're fine with -- now here we finally there is there were -- and you mentioned the need to be the World War II veteran the bronze star winner from Broward County who was told.
He was not a citizen and they put the onus upon him.
To prove he's a citizen within thirty days if that's the way it's going to be in Citrus County.
Citrus County is tiny its near camp it it only got three names on its fullest.
And two of those names were incorrect.
With what weird -- you can't say because the Homeland Security Department didn't verify are less for us that's why thrilled with errors and will go with that system.
That's a system that's certain to have -- errors and there's a reason that each of the 67 these would be Democrats.
And Republicans of the county supervisors of elections saying we won't implement this list because it is riddled with -- -- I think it's important if you want to protect the sanctity of voting you would never issue a list like this and say stick to it -- going to ensure that eligible voters can vote.
So -- is what is the best method for ferreting out illegal voters they do dilute the voting rights of the actual -- -- I think happening this election is gonna be so tight we've seen Florida his -- decided the presidency.
I seen in years past -- for there to be a less than a 180000.
And -- say only 30% of those were wrong.
They're still looking over a 100000.
People they should not be allowed to vote in this country who are going to be able that it cast a vote -- could potentially decided to -- the United States sent.
I think it is a bigger issue and I'm glad that part of governor's taken a step on this so that were all having this discussion today while -- -- -- -- that is unheard of I get the threat I get through these the somewhat to the idea of the logic behind it but it's simply there's no air raid or or -- or fraudulent voting rate to ever even come close to anything like.
Well let's tell -- -- -- this up having just interject for a moment here that -- what what -- be this 180000 on this list.
Are just people whose driver's license record didn't match their voter registration.
When they did this cross comparison.
So this list was made of these people who needed further investigation.
And as you say you feel that that that puts the burden on the ballot citizen to prove that -- about -- -- medical.
It's intimidating and what not but let's just be clear these people have not been denied a vote they're not.
On the list of ineligible voters -- just need more investigation.
And then the direction has been it to the director and I.
I think that's a very good point but remember.
If you don't you -- you just need more that's -- the state could take that onus upon them they could say we're gonna take the time in fact they could say we're gonna take the time.
For four for the last three and a half years to do this but instead they said we're gonna send you a letter mr.
bronze star winner US citizen.
And World War II veteran we're going to send you a letter that says you have thirty days to prove your citizenship to us now if he's on vacation.
Out of time out of town or cannot or or has some difficulty getting other papers that's a problem for him in the state saying we will shift that to you.
You you can't who headed by the way one of the problems with with this less than the other let's I was in Florida in 2000 when they may have the -- was they didn't check mean duplicates.
-- this so if there was a hit on a name that could be the reason for somebody being on this -- eligible voter -- Outside of that this I can't did you mentioned deluding the vote I think it's very important to say.
That if you.
Prevent an eligible voter from voting group also harming the voter pool.
That back also harms and it is desirable -- on the in the in the other direction so from that direction.
-- so what Tony's point isn't really fair to give somebody thirty days to prove that there are -- citizen.
I think you know Tony and I both entering this building today in Washington DC had to show I driver's license had to be an -- driver's license and a check in at the front desk.
Why should there be more security to get upstairs in the Fox News building in Washington DC that he should be for someone to vote in about -- to decide who our president is going to be.
I think you know we're not gonna solve this today.
But the fact that we're having this discussion the fact that Florida is acting to make sure that people who are voting the United States are actual citizens I think is a step in the right direction.