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This is not Republican -- Democrat independent issue.
This is an issue that we need to have fair elections in our state I wanna make sure we have elections the year vote.
Now one person's vote gets diluted by some made it doesn't have a right to vote.
That was Florida governor Rick Scott -- Republican talking to my friend and colleague Neil Cavuto -- -- big show on Fox News Channel yesterday.
Defending his effort his administration's effort to purged the voter rolls down in Florida.
Of people who may be.
Or may not be US citizens and therefore ineligible to vote.
And I -- Crist -- firewall this is power play and -- minute.
Welcome thank you for being with us today.
And here's something I can say with little fear.
Attorney general Eric Holder does not mind a little controversy.
Even as he was in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee defending himself from a barrage.
Of questioning from senate Republicans about his role as it relates to an investigation of high level national security leaks to a botched gun running staying in the south -- And other issues his -- his department was getting ready to file suit against Florida to block this law and wouldn't you know this Florida kind of important for the election.
So let's talk about that and bunch of other things with our friends welcome back to our friend.
You know Garland Nixon he's a radio show host he's gonna show here in DC and -- PFW.
One of my -- -- -- a preset.
Car radio I guess I still have a radio in my car.
And -- Jonathan -- -- he's the director of communications for American crossroads.
Bad -- him all of the conservative super -- risk.
Welcome gentlemen -- OK so.
Let's start with you Garland.
Eric Holder yesterday -- seemed for a minute like he was striking a conciliatory tone with Republicans as it relates to these -- as yet been released documents about fast and furious investigation.
And no sooner had he gotten out of the building essentially that the lawsuit against Florida and its voter purge.
Law is out.
Is holder sort of thumbing his nose at the report.
-- -- no I think he's doing what he feels he has to do I think this is very important for the Democrats in Florida there's certainly Democrat.
Demographic there that could make a difference between the entire election so I think.
He has to separate.
You know -- little wars with the Republicans over fast and furious and all the media stuff with things that have to be done and kind of you know take your business.
The Jonathan that.
Issue down there is this -- And we should point out.
I'm sure that attorney general holder feels that this is about the moral thing to do -- of about voter suppression he is right now engaged in legal action against about a third of the states in the union as it relates to voter identification and other these kinds of -- I'm sure that he believes that truth but in Florida it matters extra.
There are 2600 individuals that the the executive branch in Florida has identified as possibly not living or possibly not citizens there and their cross referencing them with the county roles -- found a handful that are people who were like I'm not not only am I alive -- a citizen but I was born here and fought in World War II.
Democrats are making hay with it.
But we are talking about I read this in the power play today five times the number of individuals as decided the 2000 race in Florida so this is -- potentially big deal yeah I think we have here is this.
Is is very real philosophical debate.
On the one hand Republicans saying voter fraud is very real problem and up to 400000.
People were illegally registered -- in Indian 2008 by -- quarter.
And wanna fix that problem and on the other -- have to question whether or not this is as the civil rights violation.
What makes it dynamite is proximity to the election and the fact that it's Florida this is not nearly as big of a case.
In Texas because they know that did that Texas in the player party presidential.
Texas will be decided by me.
-- hundred -- -- driver to Florida may not and that's with the that's what creates an ultimatum Greg Chang who is a bit of -- says headline Obama -- -- vote in key battleground state will participate in Key West center -- ceremony.
Does shame -- -- that's -- mean but funny.
The question for you Garland is.
May win that the Democrats look at Florida didn't direct the directional wind has not been great for the blue team in Florida 2010 certainly it snapped are right.
Rick -- stumbled a little out of the gate.
But was able to hold out is there and it's a Larry political benefit for Democrats in this by.
Making Scott and an issue again and bringing him back into the foreign making him controversy.
I'm well I you know I really don't think so why do you think as far as the play out the way it doesn't just who -- that is not most popular person in Florida hasn't been for awhile but I do think what's going on here is that it's -- really it's -- -- just listen to our discussion right what we're talking about here.
Is numbers we're talking about a Republican a Republican legislature -- legislator.
Any Republican legislature.
That enacted rules that will -- didn't fit.
The Republican Party.
Doesn't -- status -- benefit the Democratic Party.
And if there are I mean.
Out of these 1600 they found a handful if that -- but the vast majority so far are these are of the vast majority that have been that they -- out so far shouldn't be about it.
Well so then what we need to talk about a real discussion of the discussion is is this really.
About making sure that people can or can't vote based on his citizenship or is this a battle between two parties over who can get what vote which I think is the -- What we do here -- and I think that's actually the conversation we were always -- conversation.
No -- without having anything -- -- this is about the votes this about when you get down to it and as I said at the beginning I'm sure Jonathan that the attorney general feels in his power.
That Jim -- could creep back and that this is all part of a minority -- -- and I'm sure that he believes that.
But letting all of that aside we are talking about raw numbers and we get down to it other -- -- and have.
Among swing states Virginia Wisconsin other places where the just apartments either engaged or looking very closely.
At these laws.
Is there it.
What's your forecast for how this plays out between the election.
First thing I also think that there is -- sincerity of on the part -- -- Scott surely other Republican governors who believe that there is an issue was voted Friday how do you don't like -- how do you how do you go about fixing this problem is -- is a problem.
There are the you know that there could be and anyway we we we all I don't understand -- that there is goodness if you let us -- -- do what where we don't know what is.
Other that we should really let me read a different areas -- understand yeah that's what -- -- at at the end where it's really -- it's like we have these redistricting -- they always put the hyper partisans in the British and that was because they know that when it comes to drawing boundaries are determining who's good who's gonna who's going to be voting.
Those -- the partisan as we want the guys that -- with knives to really really get down.
Conservative Party well and that's what this really becoming an issue now -- sort of an in his state.
May I ask you Internet but do you think.
Do you think that this is since he sincerely held belief or is this just as I'm cynically holding a -- -- the numbers.
A good way for you to tell me is that you follow me on Twitter at sea sparrow you can tell -- -- you can have the power play each and every morning that -- -- for you and then you can join the fun here like these like these camps on here says -- -- holder -- the big bad wolf on the Huff and puff and blow.
-- house in final word on this guys when we get down to November.
If it is contested.
This is not this this opens up the possibility for some theory out -- feelings if we had another very close race in Florida this could be a big problem right.
It definitely but I think you know from our perspective we're looking at the we're looking at Supreme Court thinking well you know we better -- in in Florida pretty well.
Otherwise you're out of luck do they -- It did everything there is that it did this purge -- registered voters isn't just like they've gone through throwing things out there they're giving people sixty days to prove they're citizens is it's not like there's there's no protections against and then you can come back if they -- -- up you can come back duly noted okay.
Will -- of the last word to.
Which I guess you you're you're into partisanship says -- if your name is Max writes my question is do Democrats think it's okay the dead people and illegal immigrants out if not want to join this legislation.
I think Colin already answered your question for you -- right.
OK we thank you guys stick around because when we come back we're gonna talk about the -- the Russian question in the general election.
They had around a -- early going between Mitt Romney Joseph Biden and Barack Obama will now it's back is the Syrian civil war heats up in Russia plays its role will it affect the election and now.
We will answer those questions we get back to stick around.
Confronted the Russians about stopping their continued arms shipments to Syria.
-- they had.
From I had my accident.
We shouldn't worry everything you're shooting is unrelated to.
There -- actions -- Charlie.
-- was secretary of state Hillary Clinton at a joint press appearance with Israeli President Shimon Peres.
Accusing Russia of supplying attack helicopters to be a solid regime.
In Syria which is using attack helicopters -- slaughter people.
And this is power -- welcome back and in terms of diplomatic language.
What the secretary of state said there was.
Pretty much as rough as you're gonna get two.
Another major power in the world.
Out -- dishonesty.
And arming and dictators show.
Is it like 1980 all over again why are we talking about the Russians.
In this election.
Let's figure that out fortunately we have two guys who can help us we've sliced and diced at least a cynical politics out of this.
In Garland Nixon and Jonathan -- GO.
OK so the issue here.
Is that Hillary Clinton who was saying those things.
But a few years ago a couple years ago I was saying very different things remember the reset button.
Win the foreign minister Russian foreign minister came to town there and there it is right there she gave him the little box with the reset button -- and we're gonna.
Make it better after the bush administration and all of these things well now we've gotten to the point with Russia that not just on Syria.
But also as it relates to Afghanistan maybe in our ability to get stuff in there as it relates to Iran as it relates to a host of other issues Russians are being very troublesome.
This is something that the Republicans think that they can take advantage.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- He thinks that he has one can he exploit this to close the gap -- the president.
National security issue again I think that the key is reminding people that Russia is by its nature expansionist aggressive -- territorial I mean everywhere that they have a boundary.
There they're being mildly in -- -- in the least aggressive toward their drugs like saying Charles Barkley is by nature was my nature tenacious basketball player they're buying -- and aggressive and funny things they are by nature aggressive at the borders and -- has to inform your foreign policy and I think that that's what Romney saying here's -- you can't just let them go walk over -- you can't let -- walk.
Over Afghanistan over all the neighboring countries -- -- they have a history with Syria going back to the -- he's -- -- political or we almost drawn into the 1973 war.
With Israel because of their shipments are so.
-- you never know if you get when you're gonna hear hey Charles Barkley analogy combined with the haven't really really I got older and I -- -- you're not gonna get this and I.
Not I'm right here on this big Internet telecast but.
Garland I -- play for you want you and the rest of the Internet to hear.
What the Joseph Biden said about Mitt Romney win Romney first started going down this path back in the spring let's take a listen.
Governor Romney is mired in -- Cold War mindset.
Was part of a very small group of Cold War holdovers.
Who never met -- arms control treaty hikes.
-- he was talking at new York university and he was attacking Romney because a few days before that that was back in April a few days before that Romney had said.
That Russia was America's number one geopolitical -- in what he said that it created the Democrats thought.
This is great because Romney's overplayed his -- he started that about bomb missile control our.
Anti missile missiles.
And that good stuff and when he said that.
Team Obama -- and they sent by -- to give a speech basically trashing -- how does that look now.
That we are all these weeks after that and Russia who and having seize power again -- been elected again.
And all of that stuff how does that look now that Romney on calling Russia's number when you -- So well I think the thing to keep in mind is in within what demographic for this reason keep the Cold War was a long time ago they say an older lighter Democrat that he doesn't address it means yeah.
And older -- demographic that's gonna be more concerned with Russia and the red scare when you get to the young people when -- -- -- multi -- when you say Russia doesn't much keep in mind now in two days.
International geopolitical dynamics.
Eight -- eight -- a country such as China can be eight geopolitical adversary and a critical economic partner at the same as this.
So it goes into the noted that the issues of being scared of Russia doesn't work as well under the new dynamics with the younger than.
And I'm -- but I am sure that.
All are brown Brothers and sisters I have out of -- out there there are many people who pay a lot of attention to Russia so we're gonna -- I'm sure you're right -- there's the -- -- And Russia concerned demographic but -- -- -- all credit to any anti Russian history experts out there in the minority community.
Jonathan and the V for Romney.
There is a danger that.
About overplaying one's hand as it relates to this because for example Ronald Reagan in 1981 of the one of the biggest things he had to overcome -- one of the things that lingered out there for him.
Was that he sounded like a warmonger and the Democrats were able to paint him as trigger happy.
And it wasn't until he got to the debates in the fall Jimmie Carter all he seems our ride he doesn't seem like he is bloodthirsty.
For a war weary country as much as -- would like to press is it press an advantage on Russian issues does -- have to be careful.
Yeah I think he has project strength as the I think he has -- the fact that.
We're not gonna you know be pushed around by Atlanta the country but at the same time he does have to be careful not to walk on the -- You know going into optional wars.
You know being surrounded by hated the criticism is going to be that he's going to be surrounded by neo conservatives -- ago and it made all the countries again that's what he has -- -- -- -- you just it's anything easy you need to be able to project strength without being too aggressive and I think that's about and it's fun.
Now for the Republicans a -- and we've been watching some -- stuff -- with Ron Paul and Rand Paul and becoming big a surprisingly fast coming together.
With the anti war wing love the Republican Party.
And the Republican establishment.
How do you see that play.
He's going to be interesting to see which is what attacked Romney takes as we closeness of the election because when he actually has -- talk about talk to face to face with President Obama he's going to have to take a position right now he can kind of toe the line in both directions but I bet there's gonna come a time when he can't do that anymore.
What do you -- there's fissures in the right over foreign policy I mean it's thirty years ago everybody was all the Wright was anti Communist threat and there were a lot of pictures on domestic policy right now they're all against tax increases but.
-- are -- more aggressive on the foreign policy or worms isolated and -- -- -- there isn't an orthodox conservative foreign policy and I think that that tension is an eagerness even.
It's the Internet you know I love you I mean a lot of reasons mostly because you keep me employed.
And that ended little power plays do like to eat but.
We believe because you know stuff like this mock tank says the wrong translation on that reset button and you're right you know that when Hillary Clinton gave that reset button the first version was not correct and they had to take it back and do it over again -- -- it -- and I bet.
Octane that you didn't even have to go to Wikipedia get that OK so final question on.
It -- -- etc.
And I want I want to hear from both of you on this.
In the end.
Does Syria really matter does Russia really matter or is that so subordinate to the economy that for any persuade -- voter it's not going to be that big -- deal.
I think it doesn't it it matters if it blows up if it goes if if if if if we keep this kind of below level which is low level us we're not getting slaughtered because I -- -- this thing's happening and we declared it won't matter as much of it goes blows up goes crazy both of these guys.
I agree under present you know we're back in and and mid 1982 again -- you know 20000 civilians slaughtered you know habitat.
Then then it could open up that you know it that's it that's the real unpredictable things is is you know what are what are they gonna do doesn't spill over -- -- -- -- -- Does -- a former member of my high school history club you get the good I.
Kudos you could have been you could have been part of our team would have been totally hot.
Guys we thank you very much for having.
For being with us today.
And for you Internet I have some very good news I had extra goodness you know who's waiting to talk to you Mary Katharine -- you'd like -- a bunch you -- on television all the time now you can watch on Internet television if you just stick around.
This notion that somehow we caused the deficit.
Is just wrong.
It's just not true.
And and anybody who looks at the map we'll tell -- it's not true and if they start.
Try to give -- a bunch of facts and figures suggesting that it's true.
When they're not -- -- -- does that make -- all this stuff into the -- with those tax cuts.
At the strip prescription drug plan that made -- papal and the war.
That was President Obama dropping some G isn't getting kind of bound -- talking about the huge deficits that continue to rain down.
On the federal government and saying that it was in fact.
Certain person named George W Bush's fault and the Republicans who preceded him and the Democrats in control Washington this is power play welcome back.
And good news and happy Wednesday because it happened ham is with us she is of course -- Fox News -- she is of course of the daily caller she is a woman of the right and a friend of this Internet telecast.
Here's the deal the president.
Is looking we were talking about the Russian reset before.
Now we are looking for a political -- he's going to get today.
Framing speech which means that he's not going to make a new proposal -- he's going to try to re frame.
What he has said before on the you know for news here at this and that -- left me here but some some thematic -- issues they'll do that in Ohio tomorrow.
Yesterday though he's pushing back on debt and deficit.
During that -- it's the republicans' fault.
As we get into the middle third of the of the general election season we've had the opening -- -- Now it's time for the.
Well I think this.
Many people including myself actually I think the Obama team.
You can get very caught up in Obama's the myth of Obama and how good he is on the trail how challenging he might be to somebody like -- who is not a script betrayal.
Com but I think a lot of people underestimated.
Just how much this election is going to be about Obama and what he has failed to date which is to get the economy going again I think I did a little bit yeah.
A little we are to see him on his heels for much of this opening section.
Of the election obviously that's what why he wants to make a change as for his defense of the deficits and and that kind of thing.
It feels like weeks off it feels like that is actually.
That is actually the technicals and that it is we exhausted it feels like it's -- James Carville and Greenberg did this -- to the Obama team introducing this memo that says -- we actually talked to.
Not -- not college educating college educated voters in Ohio and state voters think did you feel what they're thinking in this messaging working for them to sort of flippant.
This was bush and I know he's preaching -- this event but it's not gonna work with independent voters to do that and I think he's gonna try to switch to -- More I feel your pain.
-- It is small -- that small Clinton thumbs in his return he's not.
Clinton mask with the pivot as we've seen is not very easily trying to -- -- he's been trying to -- -- sense mid December of when he carried out ballerina yes very bad ballerina.
The question for the president is this is -- complicated.
Message on the economy -- it was bad it was very bad it could have been much worse it's not getting better fast enough.
But it is the Republican's fault and it's it's day like a quadruple bank shot.
One of the problems that we're watching for them as they try to get this message that is when it's when you have to shout so loudly to try to cut through the clutter.
You get knocked off course all the time if you're if -- commerce secretary for example -- as a rough down the road yes.
Blows it blows you off message that -- it's not it's it's not an easy one hammer away at.
Right it's not he's in a tough position -- I do not deny that at all if you read the Greenberg Carville memo it.
Illustrates exactly what a tough position -- he isn't and they -- which I think is probably start saying look.
Don't do so much contextualizing gives you so much saying things are getting better because people don't feel like they're getting better -- say look I understand things are bad.
Moving forward here's how unable to.
Terrible right here -- got my hands here so yeah he's third -- -- drink your blood and this is now I will help you get a job again.
And -- by the way it's still tough message even if you go to that it's it's a tough message but at least it's simple and we sought to your point 02 Greenberg.
And and that I saw -- that focus group report and you're looking like another note Clinton knights.
Putting a marker down to say yes I the last day you can tell you that this guy was gonna have trouble.
And but it's their option to listen in there and often bubble -- -- administration yes they pick up that report which I assume some of them actually will.
There is really interesting stuff American Romney is vulnerable because people don't feel like he truly understands.
But in the polls and the places that matters about handling the economy he's had a Barack Obama and that if people can continue to personal elect Barack Obama but they may -- -- Mitt -- vaguely threatening.
And as long as he seems plausible that we talk about all the time -- I do that basically re election process is about two things that answering two questions first question is.
Do we want to keep this guy.
And we're seeing now in the polls continue to come out there -- poll after poll showing independents are.
Jumping off of Obama.
He's in trouble.
In the home stretch though what the Obama campaign hopes is that the second question which is is this person possible threat is Mitt Romney a plausible person.
That for Romney the people and do what they did in 2004.
And say as much that would like to have a different situation.
This guy is not gonna cut it and and that they'll say now.
I I think that's how I think even though people don't trust Romney -- and even -- his likable ability numbers are not great as of his vulnerabilities.
I think you sound Smart on the economy I think she sounds plausible when he's talking about these things that's perhaps his greatest strength is talking about the economy.
Connecting maybe not much just his strength and he -- not -- it's not that good but I -- I do think he's certainly vulnerable because he's not print it but if you look at them.
Beginning of this campaign for his campaign has been.
Kind on it and I didn't and I've been a little bit surprised.
How well I mean just just little things like taking your Twitter account Obama Barack Obama doing fine right was the Romney Twitter account created right after that caffeine moment being used to its full extent to continue to -- and to make it a symbol of his campaign.
See how much she loves your Internet she's.
It goes to Twitter right away she gets to that's got there weren't I saw that I was a marker for gets his team being ready in just these days it's just an agent with Hilary -- back in the -- early going they got right on that and got -- Wii Sports store he's got a bit instead of 1 evening so I think it's harder to market team got off.
Okay all right well I'll buy that and so far of Romney's favorability number which is more important -- like ability it's like I find this person except I find this person basically not offensive -- -- as if I don't candles.
Right exactly I think he is less likely to suck my blood into socket.
Very many cabinet.
Mary -- we thank you very -- -- the Internet always -- your company.
OK so now onto other business very quickly.
First thing it's -- that are -- -- today to.
And up next on the -- with Jonathan Hunt will -- entertain -- you and now as we like to do every -- we want to leave you with the word from our -- -- Us where are so we heard from the secretary of state was an admission of complete impotence and our part in dealing with the Russians are she can do is complain.
Only -- the administration.
Policy the reset policy.
The much heralded reset policy which was supposed to undo the drift in the coldest that they had said the Bush Administration -- introduced into our relations.
With the Russian -- -- supposed to give us an influence.
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