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Unique chance for clear comparisons in the race for the White House President Obama governor Romney delivering -- Economic speeches in the critical swing state of Ohio on the -- same day.

Out of their messages stack up well listen to the president and the governor heard -- You want to give the policies of the last decade in other try.

Then you should vote for mr.

-- He's been president for three and a half years.

-- -- -- Let's bring in our campaign insiders to show on Fox News contributor former pollster for Bill Clinton back -- don't need to.

Fox News contributor and a former pollster for president Jimmy -- -- absolutely not a pollster but a former Republican congressman of great note in that -- State of New York in congress and let me start -- All right -- he -- speeches and both were.

Roundly criticized its new loser.

As they should be they were both depressing messages from two candidates who refuse I think.

To take the lead and say enough of dumping on the other guy -- I'm now gonna tell you what I will do not what too bad about the other guys message money -- Here's what -- -- spell out some specifics to revive the whoever does that first I think the guy that does it first.

Is gonna go ahead this race pat.

Geithner does it convincingly and I think that is this is that it was unconvincing about the speeches and in that and looking out -- from the respect of the incumbent.

You have to see what the score well here.

He gives a 55 minute speech -- makes me think they never -- as I keep saying they never looked at 1980.

We gave a speech in big convention called to futures -- that's what they're running ought to give a speech that is I think you've mentioned.

-- -- which was panned by everyone including his erstwhile media supporters.

And the next things off on it but this was the 55 minutes of I'm -- -- vote against him it was just for the incumbent.

The domestic and it's not and that Romney is George Bush the rapper that's the other maps and she's putting you know that mentioned it the liberal commentators ripped into the president moment -- Michael Bryant.

They be the president stop -- -- but what was even over Jonathan Alter one of the worst speeches he ever gave.

And with Washington Post Dana Milbank the president gave Americans a false -- wrapped.

It a fallacy how much.

Yeah.

Both patent John are absolutely right quick what's going on now is both.

Romney and President Obama.

Are basically just attack it.

Romney has a better hand to play.

Because elections are referenda are -- it incumbent but he too was not offered a vision for the future and President Obama great.

You just can't run a negative campaign for a year and hope.

There's -- -- for the president to admit his gaffe was a -- you know what I'm talking about a week earlier he said.

That -- of the private economy's doing fine spent a week saying I didn't really mean that it wasn't a gap and admitted it was again.

Here's the problem.

That was a -- it was a mistake but the larger -- -- he's not saying look.

Mitch McConnell.

John -- come to the White House -- let's deal with the economy but stable but also it is what the substances.

It's about is -- John said it's.

George Bush three I'm gonna run on that and return that's going -- He does -- mention that the report minute speech he mentions deficit once and toward the -- the speech is so it's not an issue.

Is back to what the public is saying what are you doing it's all about what we did is great -- great what's been more money.

-- do you think congressman -- Mitt Romney feels like this is such a referendum on the president I don't really need.

To get out there and say something new and different and lead and not criticizing that is what he's thinking in his campaign is reinforcing that by doing really nothing they -- that's the right strategy go up to a point but there's a group of voters sitting there in the -- I think that.

Are in the end want to vote for someone as much as vote against something vote I don't so Greg won that Brett.

The way you run for office will determine how you do in office a president who doesn't -- on something.

Will be a failed president -- let's get a new the president on Friday his big announcement on immigration Nicholas.

This morning secretary Napolitano announced new actions my administration will take.

To -- our nation's.

Immigration policy and to make it more fair.

More efficient and more just.

Specifically for certain young people sometimes called dreamers.

In the New York Times called naked political pandering but look it may work won't -- key states with huge Hispanic populations great this was a move like the gay marriage initiative.

-- straightforward play for votes the president has pat suggested is giving up the senator he's not talking deficit reduction this is to maximize the Hispanic vote.

And eggs in not even an executive order just acting but by his own.

Fiat and bottom line pure policy -- us congressman three times last year the president -- -- I don't have the authority to do precisely this now he's doing.

That's a lot here you know why didn't he do this when he had congressional control and -- on -- and they spent all their time on health care -- -- -- like this and he's running the risk I think Obama.

Of having people especially his own supporters say my god this man will do anything to get well like that.

Is the point.

That is what the numbers are showing we sought and it's big it's Doug suggested gay marriage 67% of -- -- or thought it was in principle this is politics.

We've seen it in me on the leak scandal we talked rest -- in this week said.

Certainly 3% of people -- not only our national security -- who thought it would hurt Obama.

-- the same thing on this he is short term outlook the policy makes sense but the notion I can do this after I don't have the power -- will.

It all looks desperate -- put up some polling data.

Up on the screen in New York Times CBS poll in view of the illegal immigration.

43% stay and apply for US citizenship three -- 32% must leave.

Jobs in the US and 21% stay as guest workers and now let's move to the Gallup poll.

The main focus we're dealing with illegals look at the different numbers here between ninth 2006 and 2012.

-- -- -- sense of these animals.

-- -- here's what's happened.

Bottom line the bulk of opinion in the middle.

Really wants to crack down on illegals that there's real concern about that the Obama administration.

Has made it political determination pat is exactly right.

Great that what they're gonna do is just emphasized a pathway to citizenship for those young illegals who come and been productive citizen.

It's politics they're not playing for the voters in the middle that's what's going on.

Congressman -- gonna say I think he also is trying to preempt what was coming this week which is senator rubio.

Possible VP choice.

Has his book coming out and he's promoting the DREAM Act which is a more popular version of the -- map which includes.

This stuff you know and how does it put Romney and tough spot here -- -- either alienate his base or he can alienate aren't they Hispanic.

I think if he takes to reveal -- he I thought I watched him on the -- per -- today.

-- him what I mean he wasn't -- being very cautious but he said.

They did it wrong he's playing politics in the open the doors support rubio which most people might -- But the thing -- that that they -- -- these numbers that goes back to the point -- making they've decided to sacrifice the senator.

Because they are gonna try to -- the base this is called burning your own house now right.

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