Power Play 6-28-2012
Health care decision: What are the political consequences and what is next? Join the live chat...
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- Date Jun 28, 2012
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And that was the moment back in 2010.
When President Obama signed into law.
What some people called the patient protection and Affordable Care Act also known as obamacare and guess what.
The Supreme Court sense that it can -- and it's the long delay -- This is power play and all I can tell you and -- Crist I don't know I can tell you is holy crow -- What a big news day here in Washington.
And we're real glad Internet that you made -- time to come in and get the inside scoop we have in our special hour -- show expert on how this actually works how it will be implemented.
Political spin meisters who will tell you how it will be played.
How it will be perceived.
And most importantly for our purposes here.
What will the effect be on the election we have a variety of viewpoints we have members of congress I'm pretty excited I don't know whether you can tell -- that I'm pretty excited.
And I'm certainly excited that I can bring you now Shannon Bream.
Has been telling you about this Hillary for hundreds of days -- -- over at the Supreme Court has been breaking down this decision CNN.
You've been talking about this -- -- on the Fox News Channel so we're really grateful that -- took a second to talk is over -- on the Internet.
Only -- play.
So what's so I guess there -- a decision or something what's up with the.
Yes basically a majority of the court and in this case a lot of people thought it Justice Kennedy could possibly be -- -- -- even with the conservatives it was its Chief Justice.
Also viewed as very conservative who wanted this majority opinion but with the more liberal view liberal members of the court.
And current common parlance that's how they are here and I basically he said no one of the commerce clause no -- the necessary and proper clause.
Yes the mandate does stand under the passing -- the congress said he says that's.
Basically you know after having someone can't -- -- -- for not complying come with his requirement to have insurance it's care precedent as attacks -- and wrote this.
Because the constitution.
Permits such attacks.
It's not our role to -- it want to pass upon its wisdom or fairness basically saying.
Congress did they had a power to do it -- we don't judge whether this is -- -- or not.
And so basically they sent congress which meant to say was axed so -- -- you go here's a long time now they did something with the Medicare.
A -- right -- that this program is paid for work out ways to tell states that they were compiled.
To expand their Medicare programs are very expensive states which I didn't have a lot of money that I made it easier for states to escape them.
-- what you all think you're seeing here is that this -- the final item that was argued me into a lot of attention but 26 states sued saying.
The millions of people that -- -- on to our Medicaid rolls because of the Affordable Care Act we can't afford it.
And he also talked about statutory language that convince sounded like -- -- -- -- saying it's you don't take these new people under this law onto.
Your -- we're gonna take away all of your Medicaid money.
For existing people on the -- and the new people.
I it's that the secretary has the power to do that.
I'm now the government argued in court the secretary wouldn't -- that there's no credit that these states and we can't operate from the position that.
If the authority is there in the statute there is a possibility the secretary could can go ahead and do that.
Basically what we read in the majority opinion from my -- Justice Roberts was that the Medicaid expansion is at play it's constitutional lots.
The threat that she would take away all the -- money is not okay.
But then the question we're left -- is okay if the states know they can see -- existing money but they don't think I was -- all these new people.
-- they just say okay we don't want those new people.
You know if it.
Okay can be sent out checks the safety checks in the mail federal government OK that I can't -- I just -- -- you haven't been doing such a fantastic job and it's this whole thing it's but more of an honor than ever moments of your colleagues and have a fun day -- Thank you you have a great that power play extend person.
Boom okay here's what we're gonna do now and -- cavalcade of Smart people that were bringing to you today on this really.
And I don't mean to be flip about it because this is a historic moment this is a a pivot point in American history.
That we will all remember because it has fundamentally change the way this country operates so there.
Now somebody who understands about big things and historical tipping -- -- and -- He's a deputy editorial page editor for the Wall Street Journal and he is really one of our very favorite people to have on the big show here Dan welcome back.
Well I guess I'm glad to be -- that's and on -- I guess I'm glad to be here a lot of our guests feel that way did OK give us the -- this is what you're so good -- Give us the 30000 foot view on what happened.
Well to the contrary -- rather than the 30000 foot view I'm gonna give you the view.
Down on the ground where the political -- life the more I look at this the more I'm getting pumped up and excited I'm not happy with the decision.
What I mean what Justice Roberts has -- Is to most people incomprehensible.
The folks I've been reading a -- -- conspiracy to real constitutional experts.
Are dumb struck -- that none of us were focused on the idea that he was going to say the penalty.
Was a valid tax under the congressional taxing authority nobody was talking about that.
It's done he's done that a penalty can be a federal tax.
I think that throws this issue into crystal clear clarity is there anything about this decision.
That anyone can't understand.
Tap the penalty is attacks congress can tax people for any reason it -- and and you can call it a constitutional -- -- for.
The battle is now over.
They're taxing authority and it seems to me that every Republican running for congress right now.
Can focus on that issue precisely what are the limits on congress' taxing authority and should we impose limits on congress' taxing authority.
I suspect there -- people sitting out there right now.
Trying to write constitutional amendments that would clarify.
Congress's taxing authority it also raises the issue of the spending.
Limitation amendment as well.
That's really -- I think that box and it in among the hen house.
Well we like the box over here so that's okay.
Beaten me the question.
And I will be I will be less granular and more Grassley political when I say this.
I said to somebody earlier today.
This may be what a Romney victory looks like.
Because certainly you could feel a ripple you could feel that shockwave go through conservatives I mean.
By the way to all of the people with all of the groups out there that are spamming me constantly today in filling up my -- that I can't see the chance from the viewers please I'm just asking.
But the you could field this electric surge goes through the right as soon as it happened shock outrage.
All of those things and it certainly when Mitt Romney and will be hearing from him very soon.
The quarter of twelve here on the East Coast he's got a real easy line on this now doesn't it.
-- -- Line which is that.
On day one he will start to work to overturn the Obama health care law that makes that easy.
But the shock you know Chris is really kind of rooted in the other side of is that people are beginning to focus on.
Which is justice Kennedy's dissent which says that lead into higher before them agreed that the entire.
Wall was and balanced from top to bottom.
Because of the the penalty being a constitutional violation of commerce clause so.
Despite this opening the Justice Roberts had he is somehow contorted himself defined.
In the mandate penalty as a federal tax.
That's going to be very very easy for Mitt Romney to focus on and secondly.
Remember the Obama people as you well know.
Argued from day one that that penalty was not attacks because they didn't want to be seen politically imposing a tax on the you know 25 year old didn't have health insurance or the middle class they have just imposed a massive tax on middle class taxpayers -- this ruling.
They're gonna have a little trouble arguing that way out of that one.
And we thank you so much for being with us on this big day we appreciate you thanks thanks for your wise words all right thank you Chris.
Let's let's take a very big -- be very brief.
Break and then when we come back we're gonna start and round Robin with lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
About their reaction to this what the consequences will be up pretty big deal I would also have an all star panel in here to -- you well with the insights on how the spin meisters will be spending -- -- enjoy all of these things therefore stick around.
If the court does not strike down the entire -- of the house will move to repeal what's left of it.
Obamacare is driving up the cost of health care and make it harder for small businesses to hire new workers.
Our focus has been the economy and it will continue to be the -- That was house speaker John Boehner rebounding.
Happened today and forecasting what would happen today with the president's -- health care law his health insurance mandate stating at the Supreme Court.
And this is power play.
And certainly Republicans have a lot of stuff that they want -- saying we're expecting more from Mitt Romney any minute but I want to introduce you now quickly what we have a moment.
To our all star panel for the day you you're very fond of both of these folks you know David -- -- former.
National financed or deputy national finance dirt for the DNC that helps Democrats -- elections.
And this is front -- he does the same sort of thing for those.
And he used to work for the speaker as he worked for the senate Republicans pretty good deal OK so those things stipulated -- pro American us and congratulations if you congratulations David on your health care law.
But let's go now over to Capitol Hill and let's talk to doctored and many -- -- is congressman from the great state of Michigan from the first congressional district.
Way up there where it's a beautiful this time of the year a little cold later on congressman how you doing.
The ultimate good at them okay our -- -- It it is a pretty big deal.
Give us just your first reaction at first blush but -- what is your take on what the court said today.
Well I'm disappointed obviously and but they can't comment parts to correct mistakes that congress -- me.
You haven't taken care of patients for thirty years in -- concern that mr.
Obama's health -- allies you know bad for patients.
Bad for doctors and bad for the American people and we need to repeal and replace it was a common sense -- senator reforms.
Now win and it as a doctor in your part of the -- of this house doctors.
A group of Republicans who work on this stuff.
We talked 21 of your colleagues earlier this week who talked about not doing a big thing but doing a series of small things that if it could be repealed.
If the law could be repealed after the elections.
That that it would be a matter of thinking smaller.
And practically rather than large scale stuff.
Well of course you know we do have a conversation with the American people on how to -- this we need to have.
Reforms that are patient -- that reduce the cost of healthcare you know mr.
Obama promised us that.
We will be paying less for health care but we've seen that the costs continue to rise.
And you know -- to fix that I'm for some talking the American people things like.
Health insurance they can buy across state lines at -- some from tort reform for -- and things that we have a discussion with the American people.
There's something -- they came out of this.
Health care a lot -- BC that people like you know the ability to keep people on their insurance.
No longer ability to make sure that people have access -- to care if they have preexisting diseases.
I mean he's as common sense things that we should be.
Encouraging the private sector offer and and it well it already has begun to do that.
But to have -- you know a centralized.
When he 700 page.
Mandate of how we're gonna treat everyone in America is just wrong you know I've I've been taken care -- patients thirty years.
You know you have to make difficult decisions.
You know patient is in that decision.
The doctors and a decision families in that decision.
We don't need bureaucrats in Washington be involved in the decision.
And I don't think the American people want that either so what went -- to do work for repeal and some common sense reforms.
If you were from the task even know it already but that's congressman Dan Bennett -- for Michigan thank you for making time for us to.
Yeah I -- around.
Okay you -- OK.
-- because the -- counts a lot in this in terms of what the political consequences.
But the gathering conventional wisdom and is as you as I flipped through the dial and I'm not just pointing this out.
Because it agreed with what I wrote this morning the power play I'm not I'm not doing that but is that.
On points this is a huge victory for President Obama it is an affirming thing of this central thing.
In his presidency.
And -- -- -- -- former constitutional law lecturer.
Was it was proven right at the Supreme Court but that this is potentially huge advantage for Mitt Romney as he goes forward with a unified right.
And a lot of public opposition to this law.
The service you did -- -- wanted it.
It didn't win in in the words of one vice president windows of -- all now anyway yeah government backed up -- talk -- maybe you know -- self -- but let me say two -- one in -- I can't believe I thought it was -- on -- and the first reports -- hearing about the decision that it was against.
Health care right or the individual mandate.
And I hit my heart just sank and then oh my gosh did how -- -- -- up and down when they started reversing and be moving on all right Jim Justice Roberts is enough about commerce attacks but enough about your daylight enough about your list of good day.
-- with regard this is a huge I think as you mention.
For the president.
In the it's was all of the spending that went against in.
Putting -- the -- on health care we hear about the cost.
And most of the benefits haven't even come into play and won't come into -- -- when he fourteen to 2015.
I just mentioned.
About we need something patients sensual I don't know what just more.
Patients sensual than bringing thirty.
Million more people under the system so that you can spread those costs over a larger pool.
Thirdly I'd say.
That you know look even the private sector insurers and others -- -- already moving in the direction of of bringing in NASCAR that's pretty quickly -- -- but -- we're bringing in.
The preventative care measures bringing in the pre existing conditions and not.
There's absolutely no they're not an advantage for Mitt Romney in this looked -- -- Mitt Romney will be able to consolidate his race and stand up for the same reason that he did -- -- in abandoning health care that he's got done in Massachusetts.
There should be for the nation which we know -- through the Roberts scored doing and it's a huge advantage with regards to calm Obama because we'll be fighting for something and -- keeping it rather than losing a gentleman -- for the yeah.
I don't know -- players yeah.
Let me say this say they use it theaters in -- -- -- victories more like this saves for President Obama I think you really that -- bullet here in the short term the long term though this is -- rallying cry for Republicans.
Democrats to cut can -- claim victory.
But the tipping point I think is that this is now considered attacks.
Republicans are gonna go after this big time and time where people are hurting in this economy.
The fact that the court is now this really -- attacks on President Obama said that it wasn't is going to unite you think you.
Really care I mean I think or if they hated the law if if 53%.
I think 53%.
Of Americans were opposed to the law.
Before you called it a tax what is the definition have to do all it.
These -- definition because now you're saying here's how much your -- on your own pocket when you call -- attack some people -- hurting -- economy.
That is going to (%expletive) people off Q yeah.
As a really doesn't really let it rip today I apologize and that we pride ourselves on being a family friendly show -- because -- Apparently different standards apparently you've been away from Milwaukee too long.
-- Saving a ton of good -- today and I should tell you by the way.
A couple of things one you should follow me -- -- -- -- Twitter I give you free stuff because I like you.
So you should do that there -- you can interact with me there if I wasn't having trouble signing into Twitter right now I'd be reading your tweets even as we speak but the question of the day guess -- the question of the day is can you guess what the question of the day for the chat is.
What do you think about the decision by the supreme court of forty mutual insurance requirements.
Mandate in the health care overall I agree I disagree and I don't know yet so they're if you didn't if you did know that one I I really can't W that's the question for the day.
And here's some good check from you people.
Charles -- says we would not even be in this situation if the government would have allowed insurance companies to sell their product across state lines.
Says Don -- bridge.
I am a retired thirty year military veteran what if anything happens my health care coverage of Medicare and tried here for life.
And a lot of questions here today about practical application.
Because this is a huge decision that even now.
People are combing through and trying to figure out.
Good news is that later on the show we've got a -- Bush Administration got.
Who specializes in this stuff and he'll take you beyond the talking points and we'll get in and we'll break down a little bit about practical application including that stuff we talked about Shannon about the Medicare.
That that's just a -- OK -- while we're waiting for work Mitt Romney.
Let's let's talk briefly about something else.
Because we have -- David Schweigert.
Who is a congressmen.
From Arizona who has been one of one of the lead -- this on the issue.
The fast and furious.
Botched gun running staying in the effort to hold Eric Holder in contempt.
-- he's a friend of his Internet telecast and we welcome him back.
Are you doing today.
-- you gotta worry about the people you -- friends don't you.
Point point taken congressman -- -- taken exactly.
Know you before we get into the this fast and furious business.
You -- little news today you you had some comments.
About about this.
That that sort of caught dead -- the news media's attention.
When you were talking about the health care decision -- even prize for the Internet what you what you need the rest of the press today.
What will I was actually standing out in front of the Supreme Court.
We ended the decision was being read.
And might instant reaction with not only what was that this was horrible for America horrible -- relationship.
Between you -- the citizens and the federal government.
But I also think they just woke up a sleeping giant.
As the American people start to understand.
What this really means what's really coming at them both attacks regulatory control of their lives control of their health care I think they just -- -- sleeping giant.
And did we just make the 2012 election.
Look a hell of a lot like the 2010.
And we get a lot of good we have a lot of G rated.
Swear words on the show today you can we got to.
Are you today hey they told -- this is better investment.
-- and exceedingly worse than that no -- -- that congressman.
There's so let's say on this topic because people are pretty freaked out about it.
And who I do want to ask you about fast and furious that Mitt Romney's gonna be talking here any minute sort of rebounding the president who's gonna give it an address.
In about a half an hour.
What would you like to hear Mitt Romney say today.
Like like Mitt Romney to spend a moment walking through that there are and other visions.
That will provide high quality health care and provide American people -- weights there's ways to take care portability and preexisting conditions of the tax benefits.
Without a commanding control rationing system.
That this White House is moving forward.
Congressman your presidential nominees got to start talking to you -- think about.
All right thank you take care.
-- have a great day okay now let's take a listen to what governor Romney and briefly let's have a let's hear.
Let's make clear that we understand -- the court did and did not do what the court did today was say that obamacare does not violate the constitution.
What they did not do was say that Obama care's good long.
Or that's good policy.
Obama care was bad policy yesterday.
It's bad policy today.
Obamacare was bad law yesterday.
It's bad law today.
We tell you why I say that.
Obama care raises taxes on the American people by approximately 500.
Obamacare cuts Medicare.
By approximately 500 billion dollars.
And even -- those cuts and tax increases.
Obama care adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt.
And pushes those obligations on to coming generations.
Obamacare also means that for up to twenty million Americans they will lose the insurance they currently have the insurance that they that they like and they want to keep.
Obama care is a job killer.
Businesses across the country -- and asked what the impact is of Obama care.
Three quarters of those surveyed by the chamber of commerce set obamacare makes it less likely for them to hire people.
And perhaps most troubling of all obamacare puts the federal government between you and your doctor.
For all those reasons it's important for us to repeal and replace obamacare.
What are some of the things that we'll keep in place.
And must be in place and a reform a real reform or health care system.
One we have to make sure that people who want to keep their current insurance will be able to do so.
Having twenty million people up to that number of people lose the insurance they want -- simply unacceptable.
Number two got to make sure that those people who have preexisting conditions.
-- that they will be able to be insured and they will not lose their insurance.
We also have to assure that we do our very best to help beach state in their effort to assure that every American has access.
To affordable health care.
And something that obamacare does not do that must be done in real reform.
Is helping lower the cost of health care and health insurance it's become bring -- becoming prohibitively.
And so this is now time for the American people to make a choice.
You can choose.
Whether you want to have a larger and larger government more more intrusive in your life separating you and your doctor.
And that is -- -- an argument that Mitt Romney seems very comfortable prosecuting.
As he does that and I would tell you know that if you go back out foxnews.com and you want to watch the entirety of governor Romney's remarks.
But you can do that.
And we just wanted to give you a little flavor of what's going on.
Now let's talk to our esteemed panel here and we'll start with you on this -- -- about the right tone for governor Romney to be taking.
No I think so that's exactly right I mean you have to respect over -- reverse decision that same time going to go after the the Obama care policy.
The failed policy that we think should be overturned it's that you took the right -- And I think that's what members of congress all over Capitol -- are right now are unleashing their statements.
It's talking about the fact that this is a huge tax.
That we need to put patients first and we need you now that the court has decided the American people need to decide whether -- right thing to do and how much is this gonna really cut costs.
So Romney David you heard taking -- -- he was not.
Bruce Downey and firing he was sounded he he sounded miffed.
Like -- did not.
I he was not he was not Buffy pleaded not -- -- that was Mitt Romney.
Can get that he did not sound like good congressman's record before them with the with that so is that a good -- right tone.
-- it is a good -- I think -- that these substance of it plays into the narrative that we.
I've seen recent weeks and that being you know rooting against the economy is now moving.
And rooting against.
Now what is the supreme.
Law of the land and that being health care.
Who as we've seen economically.
He doesn't want is governors in some of the swing states talking about how unemployment is coming down.
And how the economy is on the road have to recovery.
The -- it's not going down.
Quote in Ohio unemployment going -- -- honor and it's also going down from 11% to 8% in Florida he doesn't want him talking about that.
Mitt Romney also with regard to the Supreme Court with all of the money that was invested -- in convincing us that that this was unconstitutional.
And now the law of the land says it is constitutional and they want to waste more time.
Rooting against something -- now is the law of the land.
Be my guest on and again it's more gloom and doom -- rather than it did is moving forward knowing that thirty million more people are going to be insured.
That three point one million.
Young adults can stay on their parents.
Health care insurance that 54 million since the law was enacted.
Are receiving preventative care and that's not even half of what comes into play Tony fourteen and twenty and -- -- -- -- On the well I said but there's so much -- -- when he -- he should just gonna roll on for another half hour activism we take a break don't worry there's.
Loaded with power play after I think.
Only wants to talk with a good economy especially in states like Ohio Florida that are run by Republican governors and give them the credit is in a national level we have the right policies we can grow our economy.
Justice and in health -- -- that health care obamacare was a bad policy because it raises your taxes this.
The big deal they just open a can of worms when people realize how much they're going to be paying.
It's going to be it's going to be.
A bad thing for the Obama administration -- rallying cry for -- vote.
This guy and once the details of the cost of the middle class -- -- we will see how the bulls changed little holes on the front -- but anyway.
-- take a quick break.
And when we come back we're going to hear from congressman Andrews from New Jersey.
I will be back with us and he'll tell us about what Democrats are continue to try to capitalize on their victory at the court today.
It's pretty big deal the president is still going to be is it is out there ready to talk to you going to be fun.
-- -- Idea that the Republicans have to bring this contempt of congress against it an attorney general first time in history.
That it contempt of congress.
Has been brought against to have a cabinet -- here.
-- -- -- The Republicans are contemptible and what they're doing today.
That was House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and she doesn't like the Republicans very much today that was of course before she got the good news that the health law which she made possible.
Which would never ever ever existed in the United States.
It -- -- -- he had not grabbed a hold.
The Democratic Caucus in the house and pushed it through when they were.
Foundering in the senate.
So the big wind day for her and this is power play.
And I promise we are gonna talk about your older content stuff but there's so much crackle -- and there's so much -- and off.
As it relates to the supreme -- healthcare decision you know our panel -- I'm Jean David Mercer red blue nice guys both.
But now let -- talk to congressman Robert Andrews.
From the great state of New Jersey.
-- duke who is they can share in this victory today with the former speaker congratulations congressman.
Thank you but I really think it's a victory for any politicians I think it's a victory for.
People who can't be deprived of health insurance has had -- -- breast cancer as a victory for.
Seniors getting help to pay for their prescription drugs to victory for small businesses would like health care any more affordable.
This if politicians really shouldn't spike the ball in the end zone here we should get back to work -- the American people back to work and that's what I'd like to do.
OK I won't work we're all for people getting back to work.
The fix is on that's not us being the big question congressman from.
From -- practical political viewpoint is as we've been discussing here and I tell you some of your colleagues today is that wow and I know you're not ball -- But while this is an -- good news.
It in the short term for the president and for those who believed in this legislation yourself.
Is there -- concern about this congressman reichert told us earlier.
Reawakening a Tea Party sentiment in this country that emerged in the legislation.
I don't really know I'm not a very good political prognosticator I'll tell you this though they some money here at home.
My constituents -- ask me about jobs.
The cost of education and their home values and and I think anybody that tries to re litigate.
The health care issue in the campaign is making a mistake because they're talking about things the voters aren't really focusing on the whole thing right now is about.
Economic security or the lack thereof.
For the people the country and I think if we get to work can fix that the voters will be rewarding us if we -- I think they'll be punishing us.
I know I do wanna ask you about this the big boost today time whether or not to hold your holder in contempt.
I assume that you were not.
Not pleased about that.
And -- I'm not for a couple reasons one is.
Again it's a distraction from what we ought to be doing which is focusing on the economy that also.
It looks to me like this is a deliberately provoke constitutional confrontation but.
The the Republicans and accused the attorney general of covering up.
The fast and furious situation.
There are two people with direct personal knowledge you could testify about what he knew about it.
What is the assistant attorney general but they won't let the guy testified the other is the head of the ATF and they won't let the guy testify.
The attorney general has turned over 3700.
To the committee and tried to negotiate this -- You don't have a constitutional confrontation among the branches unless it's absolutely necessary.
This is manufactured it's unnecessary.
And it's really a vandalism of the constitution be doing this today.
I'm all right okay and it's a strong strong words.
Question from -- Mitchell.
A congressman this congress now have to pass a new tax law -- -- for this plan.
Is now that the Supreme Court has been reclassified this is it -- -- any you know this is there any legislative fix or anything that needs to be done.
Now the you know what what the law says what the court understood -- -- -- person refuses to buy health insurance and has the means to do so.
Then that person is subject to a penalty the court recognizes it as -- tax that's always been in the law doesn't change anything -- -- one thing very very clear.
There is no tax increase on any American.
Who makes less than 250000.
Dollars a year unless I'm -- They do not have health insurance and don't go into the exchange and buy it if you make thirty or 40000 dollars a year.
The cost -- going to be something like six or 700.
Dollars a year for health insurance there's nothing new in this as far as taxes is concerned.
All right congressman we thank you for thank you for -- that I didn't provide good counsel -- a great day my pleasure you as well.
Right handle 22 male -- we did everything and they on the Internet or more efficient or more effective we do we can do with two with the big guys do -- -- But so here's a question from Bob Saget consider the states that do not have to comply with Medicare requirements which -- which demands that they increased coverage to the -- the cost of that word that people use for the president's health care law will be in the trillions those of you who wanted to be where which are getting no country can survive with a 30% or more on welfare.
Let me pull this out of that so.
What the law does is that in red states they won't comply states like Texas which is pretty big.
States like Florida pretty big are gonna say you know what we're not going to we're not coming to that party.
Now there -- going to experience a benefit because they're not going to have to spend that money now and they're not gonna get those people -- the insurance rolls.
But they're not gonna have to spend that money -- we -- right wrong.
But other than they actually be punished for -- -- you know I'm still looking into the Medicaid brewing and it's still digesting it but it's clear this is gonna.
Do you like you said this is gonna -- on a party lines.
In those while those Republican governors while they will benefit they'll also have to repair an adequate defense fly the -- the Medicaid rules -- -- You know increase.
-- -- -- -- -- What I series aren't we mentioned red states that's a while there is the largest clamor coming out of the political leadership about spending.
Those very red states are the ones that get more of the federal dollars and what they kick you sure Joyce is importing them out but I don't.
See you know let's wait and see if we get to have to cross -- bridge.
And whether those states find the cost benefit analysis.
And also very cost politically of reducing Medicare -- Says Tea Party in Florida.
Guess what she says Tea Party barb says the Tea Party was born in Queens and it has come of age today.
-- this Supreme Court ruling be afraid and be very afraid she says.
You're scribbling says.
This is a serious boost.
A permit Ronnie he could use -- momentum to expand and rally the base and I wanna go back to this quarterback this subject that's work the Tea Party yours for.
Libertarian minded conservatives for the people who really intensely despise this legislation.
For them any complaining about Romney is sort of now doesn't count they got there they got to go vote for him in my right.
-- gasoline -- message saying is that after the Republican primary.
-- -- -- we're -- -- -- seeing the presumed nominee.
I mean Obama.
Me -- Announcement regarding.
Gay rights in actually rally the base around around -- now you have this right health care is decision by the Supreme Court which is now.
You know if there was any cemented his now variety around running -- Public service that was and that was when the president said that he was personally cool with gay marriage but thought it was okay that states could still be -- -- -- -- -- The discussion that we had and we -- -- on this theory Internet telecast you and I have -- with others was that Romney was gonna stagger out.
-- Republican primary process.
Cut to ribbons by his opponents and millions of dollars in negative campaign ads it would take till June and he would collapse as soon as he got a break for the price fight.
Well it is he wrapped it up pretty much -- in -- more.
And now the base came to I mean Mitt Romney couldn't go around in a -- in -- pride that they gave pride bat and do anything he wanted basically -- they would still say.
When we get rid of the health care law OK I will vote right.
They'd like why the gay community and trying to you know -- people wouldn't I don't think there I don't think he's going to hear exactly nothing I mean social -- Rick Santorum would still right -- pattern no pride at the little guys look I think.
They were gonna go form anyway and we see the hardening of numbers of the core constituencies.
Both for Obama and for Romney.
What we also see it is the more he is in the swing states the less they like -- And if he wants to can and I would presume that one of the reason is is because he again is pitching gloom and doom.
On as a contrast to the recovery that is going forth.
And he would hope that that would be arrested and he would hope that this.
Decision of the Supreme Court wouldn't would have been the opposite.
Then he would have had something to run -- but now he's got to find something else to run -- because his numbers are starting to go down in those swing states.
And I can tell you was a lot of those coming off of unemployment and whatever -- and trying to find their way to health care and reducing those cost.
Who lamenting over the decision of this court when it protects them and their rights to health care I don't think there's a message that -- bode well for him.
And we're not -- -- -- people yet -- you didn't you get the first salvo friend in the next we have to take a break the Internet didn't boot.
So we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back it'll be time for the president's -- -- listen to a bit of that.
But also to -- -- who is a big brain on this stuff will be be with us later -- he's gonna break and exactly how this stuff works and what the real consequences are.
Instead of just listening to people like you can take -- for politics so stick around.
And and that -- members that.
Internet that was wearing the Tea Party movement which started actually -- tax -- In 2009.
It was at its full glory.
Back on its back on its hind legs and -- -- -- present -- United States.
This is power play and here's the question basically is.
Does this Supreme Court decision today.
Affirming the president.
And his law and congress' power to have compulsory slash tax slash something.
-- to get people to purchase private insurance.
Is does this creative rebirth for that movement is there still gas in that tank.
We will talk about that with front -- -- David Mercer blue red friends.
Through it all through thick and then we're friends no matter what even on days like this.
And I wanna I wanna ask.
You guys this.
And when the president comes -- we're expecting president in a few minutes.
What Ron does he need to say for his.
Only political purpose what is the president is -- well he'll feel affirmed the health constitutionality of health care a lot he's going do.
-- reaffirmed that benefits of a lot will be very Smart is to try to define what this tax means.
Because that's -- Republicans are going to rally around.
And so he really needs to do that in order got an adequate defense from -- Now if I -- President Obama David my thought is probably.
Come and say hi great congratulations.
Never in doubt use the court was gonna do this was total -- -- there.
No question about it and see you later have a great day.
Isn't it time for the Olympics to start.
I think he'll handle if you do win the if you when they got bin Laden Osama bin Laden and that was enough there gonna Chesley OK they're gonna dump a member of congress I didn't know I do that if it's -- -- -- -- -- But I think people say this is a good day for all Americans.
In addressing the health care.
A system that was burning us and was a drag on economic recovery.
Now moving forward let's do -- within the united way.
On I think the underlying message to the party and -- to swing voters and independents.
Will be looked.
He voted for change.
Let's vote again for protecting the change that we've accomplished in the last three and a half years.
Would you like to know what run -- is good for lots of things no doubt -- no doubt his lovely wife says the same handy around the house and all of these things.
But -- also breaks news and tells us that the House of Representatives you know those guys.
-- colorful symbolic.
President Obama's health care law during the week of July ninth -- Eric Cantor said this morning.
To come out and do that.
For Republicans they they've done that already right -- -- there any doubt that.
You know I think they have -- what they're doing is immediately taking advantage of the anger out there that's doing.
Let's let's let's get -- -- guy let's listen to -- yeah okay let's have a listen to what he's got to say earlier today the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality.
Of the affordable care.
The name of the Health Care Reform we -- two years ago.
In doing so they've reaffirmed a fundamental principle.
That here in America.
In the wealthiest nation on earth.
No illness or accident should lead to any family's financial -- -- will be a lot of discussion today about the politics -- this.
But who won and who lost.
-- -- things tend to be viewed here in Washington.
That discussion completely misses the point.
Whatever the politics.
Today's decision was a victory for people all over this country.
Whose lives will be more secure because of this law the supreme court's decision to uphold.
And because this law has a direct impact on so many Americans I want to take this opportunity to talk about exactly what it means for you.
If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance.
You'll keep your health insurance.
This law will only make it more secure and more affordable.
Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive.
They can no longer discriminate against children with preexisting conditions.
They can no longer drop your coverage if you get sick.
They can no longer jacked up your premiums without reason.
They are required to provide free preventive care like checkups and mammograms.
A provision that's already -- top 54 million Americans with private insurance.
And by this August nearly thirteen million of you will receive a rebate from your insurance company.
Because it's spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses and not enough on your health care.
Because -- the Affordable Care Act young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their -- health care plants.
A provision that's -- helped six million young Americans.
And because of the Affordable Care Act seniors receive a discount on the prescription drugs when the discount -- -- saved more than five million seniors on Medicare and.
Is that the president laying out he's gonna talk for about ten minutes if you wanna go over back out to the -- foxnews.com page.
And listen to the rest of him just as you did the governor Romney will miss you but we understand you feel civic duty.
To hear the commander in chief.
-- David the president there.
The the new goodies as we call them that things that -- -- there'd been very popular in the law have proven to be very popular about standard insurance longer and all of those things.
Not talking -- about the stuff that really expensive and the stuff that you go to do to be good if we're liberals.
This is it change it is -- thirty million people you know we're going to fundamentally if if this laws fully implemented fundamentally change.
The relationship between individuals the health care system in the government was so small hole is a good focused on election here right well.
First he isn't finished talking and the only may adjust the very.
The very issue that -- -- raised with regards to taxes and where the cost benefit analysis is.
But I will say with regards to an answer to question and Ron's remarks about anger.
Is with the Tea Party.
Lets you know again that was manufactured anger it was manufactured -- Michelle Bachmann who talked about the -- constitutionality.
Who talked about the cost us -- you think those people were snookered.
You think the guys do you think I think I think there's been a lot both -- out there.
And cloud cover.
Rather than the benefits being acknowledged for what they are.
And that you don't hear Michelle Bachmann talking about those that are benefiting now from not having their insurance cup because of preexisting conditions.
What she is talking about and has talked about but we're not gonna hear much from her for a while because it has been proven to be constitutional.
They -- it anger that would Beijing duck they're gonna have to manage but not at the expense of the American people that President Obama was just referring to you earlier highs in defense.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah he said we have to -- to go see what's a hit maybe make it had no idea -- know -- that there are lots of Democrats.
Group loss in 2010 election and I don't think those are manufactured losses they lost because people did not want this law.
And if -- got title Kentucky there's nothing manufactured about it out there gentlemen thank you so much for your wise counsel did he was so good -- don't -- -- have -- -- or in just two men that's that's how we do it here it's an amazing OK when we come back and that they offer promise to you Internet and Georgia and get a big brain in here on health policy and how this stuff works.
I get your questions and right now we already have some good questions from the chat and on the twitters acts these -- -- I've -- -- Be here and you can ask him a bunch of stuff about this law of we'll do when we come back so stick around.
I'm happy I'm pleased to see the Supreme Court put the rule of law ahead of partisanship.
And ruled that the Affordable Care Act is constitutional.
-- must present its long opinion.
And we know that when we come back here after the elections or maybe some things we need to do to improve -- and we'll do that working together.
But today millions of Americans are reaching the benefits while we passed.
One -- Supreme Court has spoken.
This law is -- attack.
The bill was sold to the American people on a deception.
But it's not just -- the promises about this law weren't -- It's that it made the problems it was meant to solve.
And that is the difference.
Nevada and Kentucky that was.
Senate majority leader Harry Reid.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell with starkly different views on the supreme court's decision today and this as you well know by now.
Is power play as we roll towards the end.
Of a great hour -- show that we had today it is my great pleasure to introduce to you.
Whose name whose name is wrong on here this is -- Troy Davis.
But I know that -- -- used -- in the same building with him he's a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute he's former.
Deputy secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.
If -- George W.
Bush and really on the right you're considered one of the big brains to go to guys who were we're glad that you made time for us today and folks have a lot of questions for you.
So the question here is to start with one.
I was trying to find out.
I think but if you have this would affect this flaw affects those with some disabled children are their -- I don't think there's anything in this on the disabled children -- -- -- there.
I don't know if there's any specific okay it doesn't it does deal with questions coverage right and that they do get covered.
Right but if employers are dropping coverage that can be a problem people.
If -- that could be a problem.
Near the law.
And to -- live once that is just about 30% of people couldn't -- sponsored coverage which could be a real problem and that's the that's the pump and -- concept that's where people that's where the premiums rise in premiums go up.
More employers say you know what I'm just gonna pay the fine under the law.
And not offering insurance -- -- than those folks on the public -- right.
Red -- that that is exactly true but it's not just premiums rising it's increased complications based on essentially benefits and anti government hassle factor.
People do not like that -- -- OK -- a small business owner this is from mark Mahoney.
Great name I -- a small business owner who pays for health insurance for twelve employees -- pay 1000 dollars per month for each employee.
Now I will have to -- For people that don't work it all ludicrous.
At -- today I decided to discontinue my business operations it was a tough straight in such a bad economy.
Now it will be impossible.
All of the all of my employees are now laid off I told them wholeheartedly to thank Obama and his liberal followers.
For their new position I'm not sure that mr.
Mahoney actually -- all that today but there's a sentiment.
Out there that for small business owners that may feel compelled to do this that they're gonna.
Yeah well look my whole -- Tony is talking about a very real phenomenally very real problem we actually might even see when I was a spike in the unemployment rates in loans -- -- its other businesses I don't choose not to hire or drop their place there there's a real bar and of this law.
To hiring people above that fiftieth worker assessment lot of that the regulations and requirements kick in.
So I think this is a disincentive to people to do -- especially on the small business side.
And I want to point out something here as we -- -- got to get to this.
Our Fox News poll.
That Syria and I got to get a read 52%.
Of the respondents say that the administration had mostly -- and improving health care so.
While the president does talk about these other issues there's a broad sense in the electorate that it's not that it that it is not working out.
And to your question Silverstone 641 what does this mean for those of us with health care through our companies that's what it means that some of the companies may -- to offer.
That health -- and others may.
Reduced -- about workforce because of added cost under this law I want to ask I want to ask you this.
With the Medicare provision so the court has basically told states that if you don't comply with a mandate to exchange -- Medicare rules in your own cost.
The federal government can't punish it and now it's been stipulated by the court that that's the case.
Do we have.
A chance and in both states are going to be dropping out.
That lesson excellent question.
I think it's way too soon to tell us the states all have their attorneys general and their lawyers really who's been very carefully.
Frantically trying to read the whole thing thing myself but the truth is and the fact of the matter is that the dedicated extension does scare a lot of states.
That the concern by governors like Mitch Daniels outgoing governor of Indiana is that.
In the short term.
The federal government get paid for this Medicaid expansion but down the road to states will be left holding the bag and so many states don't want to go.
Those are two words you may get to hear recently.
-- thank you so much for making conference -- I hope you have fun spending the next two days of your life poring over this decision to suss out every last detail and it.
What I look like what he does have -- stay stay right there.
It didn't here's the final comment for today.
From nasseria spelled -- -- funky fashion these are all excellent questions the problem is America won't really know how it -- -- until -- put into play then I think there's going to be a lot of surprises for every one.
My personal opinion is that will be paying more for health care health insurance and taxes creating even last.
Discretionary spending for people -- making the -- bad economy -- but -- wait -- -- and guess what if Syria is -- gonna happen -- -- stepped -- timetable now because everybody was holding off in abeyance until this decision to get it done so -- okay thanks to all of our guest today thank you all for watching for this special -- have a great day out -- -- Charles today -- but we have so much more for you today so at least accept that as recompense.
Julie Banderas is gonna be up next she's gonna continue the coverage on this because she's so gosh -- -- we appreciate you almost see you back here tomorrow -- the regular time 1130.