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Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX), chairman of the Congressional Health Care Caucus, tells Alan why he disagrees with the health care ruling.
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Welcome back to our bikes -- -- -- to Michael -- he was here just the other night.
Back and back in Texas you get your DC tonight right pick on him.
There in the beautiful Rayburn building and spread across briefly capital you would work now I -- work I'm working away writing.
-- -- -- -- Let's let's start backwards did you before we get to health care did you vote.
-- well hold Eric Holder in contempt.
-- Well what there's been going on since February play eleven.
Became before.
Not -- committee but the -- oversight and government reform.
There are serious questions raised about the activities of operational -- serious.
-- -- race was given that they that was not accurate.
Patent attorney general came back in December.
And in fact admitted as much of the information that -- -- -- -- -- Well I guess that's questions being asked and of the -- -- -- -- support -- -- has been very very difficult to -- from.
Different general's office and that's what of course the speed as little girl.
I didn't ice is say is no evidence of wrongdoing by the White House.
-- by the Oval Office having clearly there is some evidence of wrongdoing or there would not have been.
Non factual information transmitted in -- When he got the fact C -- is it okay got the thanks now.
Here's what actually happened I got new information.
And how did that that it will look at what transpired in between what discussions were held them to use it but the -- -- and -- -- -- any.
Lanny Davis school obvious -- he got bad news you get -- yourself you get an utterly.
You know it -- -- -- -- at and instead of this thing has been a slow painful process I think.
The other committee on oversight and a reform has been over backwards to try to to try to look -- -- thank you don't think Darryl Isaiah has it in for this president.
No I think if anything they have been they've they've been painfully traditions and their approach to this what do you think should happen hold.
Well I think there's and its debts are our act truly.
Two.
To the to the committee that they have contempt resolution was actually that's built on on two lines one it's.
A criminal -- one was a -- -- I rather expect them to pursue a civil remedy but we'll see where the.
-- -- -- -- -- -- You know I have actually recommended that in the past so -- that attitude nothing has caused me to differ from that -- You do have a unit have a federal agent that was bought the line of duty.
Or the second is now let me you can't blame holder for that he -- fast and furious and there's no evidence that the gun that killed.
I'm Brian Terry was one of the run and gun that guns were there was that -- in question here.
You know we know that to be the case.
And I think then of the attorney general would have done well to provide the documentation.
That would have been exonerated and Puerto -- it wouldn't do that I don't know why you know to be protecting and he it is.
Only been treated with the administration on on on several fronts we've been through with splendor we've been through with secret documents -- -- -- -- while it is one thing after another this administration is.
It's like Pawlenty to get any information out of them.
As seen on the final malice but with more than they finally did comply if it was a you know why the world to take eighteen months to get that information -- I don't have to selectively we can spent all night talking about this but they gonna wanna move on healthcare but.
Initially he was chosen as one of dozens of companies that were invested in under program before by both parties.
And many of them made money and religion was it seemed selectively chosen because -- -- -- have lost money again a par which -- against Obama.
-- -- take the blinders off.
Look Bisping was rejected by the Bush Administration when it came to the credit committee in January 20092.
Weeks later at the inauguration -- -- resurrected and fast tracked.
And that's practically wanted to photo -- for the vice president for the groundbreaking.
And a bottle up with the president a year later with the ribbon cutting and that there were several twists and turns along the way that.
There were there were there were activities the next two -- questionable on several occasions against the administration yet that the then -- income talents why did we have to subpoena deputy energy sector what we have to subpoena deputy secretary or deputy.
Agent at the -- -- with a budget come to our committee department why wouldn't they do so well and.
In the case -- -- did -- offer to provide more documents.
Was there an attempt to avoid the vote that took place today and holder.
As I understand and offered to be more forthcoming and that was known.
Well and that do not know all -- -- inspired -- of white house on Tuesday but there was apparently a year of hey an opportunity.
For the president and the attorney general.
Meeting with they're like the speaker of the house and that little more minority party.
But it of the -- unsatisfactory.
Or so it seems.
Let's talk about that let's say when health care.
The your reaction average you're surprised I'm guessing based on our conversation two days ago -- congressman you're surprised -- what happened very.
What's your reaction.
Well we know when I first heard the of the verdict that is the first -- like that you went into the doorway and then.
Consistent -- -- -- -- seconds later it was clear that it wasn't they're going our way and that.
Seven out sick to my stomach it was just -- of the most devastating news I've ever.
I've ever received.
The that damaged.
There's going to be done to the profession of medicine is is significant the damage is going to be done for the fiscal integrity the country.
Is significant there were so many better ways to do this says do not have discussed.
But other occasions that we've got the very worst.
Possible policy that is now.
In trying to belong and tested in the courts there and it's certainly going forward the only expected brawny soloists it is.
-- Justice Roberts said it was not his job to rescue an electorate from an unwise political decision.
-- -- -- -- President whether we agree with the decision or not the job of the court is not to correct that.
And it's called to duty for people look at you don't like it you'd better you'd better come fix the problem come November and I hope I know people are paying attention because that's exactly what's.
For -- and -- says they want I'm gonna have work to overturn.
And this law which carefully worded he can singlehandedly overturn the -- certainly can't do it on day one if he were to become president.
I'll be glad -- -- -- scenario what it's like.
Well remember now we've gone from a discussion of health care policy -- -- discussion -- tax policy because.
As we signed up beaten up the president's protestations to the contrary that clearly was.
-- tax law now is the tax law the rules regarding some of the discussions of the senate and change.
Because this and be covered under -- -- processors was and as you know.
-- percent of hasn't done a budget and a -- when they do a budget they only require 51 votes to pass that budget.
Just that budget includes what's called reconciliation.
Instructions then those reconciliation bills when they come up can pass -- 51 -- the simple majority and they don't require the sixty vote threshold cut off debate.
Horribly filibuster so these items are not filibuster -- But we are purple as I understand the language so if the House of Representatives and the senate convene early in January -- -- -- or.
In that in 2013.
I'm Rick and Republicans now control of sanity even though they may not have a sixty vote majority as the Democrats did.
In Barack Obama's first two years.
They could still pass under reconciliation instructions are under but periods stretch over the that he won both -- and tax law that would run funds the Affordable Care Act and stop it dead in its -- governor Romney then could.
Beat the receipt of that legislation.
Shortly after inauguration -- -- -- and it would at that but not -- down to the -- thousand tiller was an elective.
And -- an awful lot of stars and have to -- the place to have running in the White House Republican senator all of a sudden.
You the and we -- -- -- -- -- -- possible -- responsible.
And I both are not really -- start or would replace those are.
It's -- it's not beyond the realm of the very real -- like.
What you think senator tester in Montana would have been able to vote for the Affordable Care Act.
Had the president come right on that point system that acts.
-- tax bill permanent -- everyone's taxes 23 new tax.
Was not everyone is a matter thank you break and the numbers are very small percentage of people are actually those who have to pay into this.
-- wait you've got to figure but he entirety of the twenty pretext of the pink or included in the Affordable Care Act.
One of which has now been struck down one of which is being ignored.
But they're still 21 tax does.
In the in the Affordable Care Act which will raise 800 billion dollars over the next ten years and there will be taxes on the middle class there will be taxes on lower income earners.
And more people and and and rates to that you're gonna pay for it premiums are gonna go up a lot slower than -- would without the affordable.
Now when bullets senator case in Pennsylvania with senator tester in Montana have voted for this.
You have voted for the Affordable Care Act hadn't been presented accurately the tax bill and the answer is no of course they would not.
The president promised he would not respect on the middle class clearly that those words are now.
Not operational just as many of the other promises he made during the.
We'll let you call it really didn't call detected in argue it is a Texas supreme court's calling -- that he's not you can't blame him raising technical and Portland.
The only way -- can spam.
Is it you call -- what natives which is attack -- I was surprised because I was clear on that.
Second -- oral arguments when the individual mandate was discussed in the commerce clause was -- The issue of attacks did come up that it was actually batted away fairly quickly and no -- -- interested in pursuing that as as a line of spot that's why wouldn't.
I heard the -- the results of reports mentioned I was.
I was startled by the fact that it now where now we're back to the fact that it was attacked.
I wouldn't be in my local stations in march of 2009.
I'm sorry about putting him ready for the portable care act -- they did your doctor acne do you do to help their ability to not.
-- health -- bill to tax bill.
Well clearly -- -- -- we're -- and everyone understand that -- tax bill.
British chip away all our you know good from a purely political.
Analysis standpoint congressman.
You think this helps or hurts the president.
-- I don't know.
I think it is certainly exposes what could be a big vulnerability there and if -- -- people or rattled a couple Summers ago then I didn't watch and see what.
Wouldn't their vulnerability have been if they struck it down.
No because in the present it could've argued that -- -- -- percent of those -- Republicans to try to take away from the arresting idea.
He had -- put me back in there and I'll fight.
That would have been the court that did it not the Republicans but he could excellent it was a Republican -- Plain -- -- he's run against us every.
Timing has an opportunity that running in -- -- it's the front of Republican.
Do you -- And -- your audience liberals and Democrats.
-- -- Blood that he would.
There.
Ordinarily political crowd there rising just as the -- -- appreciate the opportunity do you thank you for coming on the program once again twice in one week we.
I really appreciate it.
-- the one bright spot.
But book's sales which have languished for so long are now through the roof about a -- wide it is but probably this spring court decision.
Like that I had anything to do that but thank you very much greater than Ellen -- congressman and --
