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ObamaCare: legal victory, political defeat?

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    Consequences of new health care law

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-- sell it to the -- how our history books describe president Obama's time in office like other famous presidents he passed a major piece of legislation.

But their policies will mostly popular health care is not as of last week Fox News polls show.

-- -- majority opposed to his reforms so in the long run how might this play out joining us right now Robert -- editor of the national.

The national interest magazine he's also -- this great new book.

It's called where they stand the American presidents in the eyes of voters in this story is what a great book to get us with the -- upon us.

Robert first off let's talk about today before we talk about yesterday.

This FISA legislation -- social security and Medicare not passing popular not passing very popular correct.

Very very correct and I think them point to be made here is that President Obama didn't really lay the ground work for you have been passage of such monumental legislation has.

Predecessors.

Of significance in the presidential -- have done.

What do you mean I mean he -- he ran on a city want to do it in his first year as a campaign there -- -- clean -- prepare the ground war.

Well consider Lyndon Johnson for example when Lyndon Johnson passed civil rights bills and their Medicare and Medicaid he had.

Significant majorities in both parties in both houses.

Obama passed Obama care with a very very partisan voting got a may -- a couple of house members and no senators.

And -- what what we're talking about here is.

Failing to sort of lay the ground work to get -- country ready for something like.

Piece of legislation of this magnitude.

Has the horse left the -- and -- still.

Do it can he do it the backwards way now that is basically -- can you didn't sell people on it or is it too late.

Well I think it's probably too late on this piece of legislation I mean this isn't fatal to -- but it's not it's a definitely a net negative.

To have a piece of legislation.

Push through congress in this way that is so unpopular and lingering -- unpopular got a lot of Democrats that well we'll pass it.

An American people will warm up to -- but they haven't done that.

Sicilian researching your presence and they're just fascinating we have regular presence at war presence you know with different challenges through time.

Some some goals you have to deal with very partisan atmosphere -- We like to think that this is the only polarizing time in our history but it's not correct M I corrected that statement.

Well you're absolutely correct we go through these polarizing times more in one now and what we find when this happens is that we have a situation in which.

Congress turns dysfunction all.

The rhetoric turns and nasty and that's exactly what we're living through but to get -- It way to get through these in our system is through presidential leadership -- not at all and so far we really haven't had the presidential leadership.

That we need to sort of move us through this deadlock.

Days as you look back at our presence in years past they left in office with a certain -- a popularity some grow as we look back and some shrink.

Some that have grown I guess -- Truman.

And another person who has grown is cool -- do you look if you do you agree with my assessment.

Well could she was significant president he'd be presided over marvelous times that the economy was growing.

I was peace in the land we had no well war is overseas Reagan -- him.

Well Reagan put his picture and a cabinet room.

Because what he accomplished -- -- -- 22% approval rating he's -- most lists including I believe yours and your great.

Well he is in your great but I will say this the voters judge their presidents very differently from the way -- historians do this historians look at their overall record in Truman's.

Overall record was heroic.

But they voters look at these presidents in terms of their four year terms.

And if you look at Truman his first term he inherited term was was tremendous.

His second term is really a sputtering term which is why he had that point 2% approval rating in Gallup.

Right and you believe -- historians -- giving a lift to maybe unjustifiably.

I think Adams is a -- president he signed the send in the alien sedition acts.

He presided over economic.

Sputtering.

I don't think Adams was a great president yet historians because he was a great man.

I have tended to give him higher marks and I think the voters did the timing that I would and -- who have backed the war of 1812 the president at that time is Madison.

Where do you rate him.

Well at Madison is considered kind of a middle range president did by the historians that the voters absolutely love the guy.

And he.

I -- -- in this so called era of good feelings.

So I think he probably deserves a little higher level than he's been getting his treatment to -- -- years since that war you go out on the battlefield you write for about sixteen hours even know he had no history only about five foot three Washington was burned pretty extraordinary time.

Thanks for doing this a special book -- good time effects of taking today's headlines.

And giving giving it a long -- Great pleasure for me thanks -- Perry thanks so much.

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