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T.J. McCormack and Scott Blakeman discuss how health care will impact the country financially
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I had quite compact stopped talking on the tour are these -- gentleman told.
TJ.
You know we're hearing all this about it's gonna cost this is gonna cost that every new -- -- something to implement.
This savings on one side costs on the other.
Com -- we'll just shook up about it and let it go in to play I and they see what happens.
I think every cliche applies every cliche applies that.
This is so.
Huge this monolithic.
Massive it.
They did this stuff that Nancy said that that that mouthful that infamous mouthful that Nancy Pelosi said passing it to be filling no attendant who it it's this.
And huge.
It's slow moving you know cold front of of of of -- law I I think.
I don't know I don't know where to begin so much of it is above my pay grade I think common sense tells us.
Everything that the government does ends up costing will more than they than me and this right -- I don't write off that brought up at night.
And I think what's that -- -- with means.
So much of this was unnecessary.
In retrospect.
You think about the things that that that the little throw out -- but -- covered their preexisting condition covered covered covered I like that and all of the kids get a 26 that's good that's good you know how about a handful of laws and regulations -- and things nice thing -- be like that.
And then we move forward incrementally you did not have to do this -- -- and that's an argument that -- is it's not without merit and most of TJ so argument -- you know without merit whatsoever of cost.
I'm happy -- that I mean that is a that is one that sensible people -- also made that we couldn't we have done this incrementally wouldn't it have been better than -- -- huge sweeping all on this both of.
Rise TJ and and other our viewers but I think it isn't actually very modest plan in fact.
What allowed you need to know is that the individual mandate for example is a conservative idea they came at The Heritage Foundation and was the hallmark of the Republican health plan.
During the Clinton years so.
That's a fact there and this whole plan.
I know people say they believe -- have read on FaceBook and and -- -- it's this government take over what happened America's socialism.
Keeps exact same private assurances we have and -- it expands Medicaid and yes he you have to might tell by the way we met three -- years ago and what we talking about health care now what I'm -- had three figures that would probably get what they wouldn't hit did.
-- days it was it too ambitious.
Given everything else that we have going on in this country given the economic problems.
Was it too ambitious should present Obama perhaps of focused more on the economy and less on such a wide ranging sweeping reform.
I -- how can -- and then have people brought this up before heading up brought up when he did have that political capital do it nobody would be bringing it up now you know what.
I admit -- some things the president -- every president does is politically motivated and this is he even -- president was not great politics but it was the right thing to do and we need as a great can't -- -- Independence Day -- makes a great country with really great country in the world industrialized world -- not -- universal coverage this will put thirty million people.
We'll give -- in the right them for help yes it is a big deal.
But it's we need to do here's -- -- -- that did that thing those -- start to filter out that's gonna filter out more more more.
We're hearing now from from different independent organizations -- You know the the bulk of of the cost of in the fall fall on people 120000.
Dollars a year in last.
You know it that the idea that that this thing is being defined -- it is funny to watch the semantics at play on both sides you know you have the Romney people who called it a penalty in the past oracle -- and then now are saying that it's a bit not a tax -- it is a penalty is about to.
It's all gone all over to play.
They're they're just running -- -- because each side is just so afraid of a bit of the political fallout from this thank.
The so if anything it's it's fascinating to watch -- play -- over this but I.
I don't know -- -- in the end I think we'll find out in November if if that was just that.
In XP in -- run and.
-- he -- -- it's interesting I think you there's a lot of conservatives making the argument now skull.
That John Roberts is a -- the Chief Justice he went to the other side which seems to me.
A little pointless I think -- -- seems to me that John Roberts ruled on on what he considered the law just as all the justices do.
Com and to whine about that just because it went their way you didn't want it to go it seems a little silly.
But -- that there's no way of Reading it as well as the John Roberts says Chris Wallace very smartly put it handed him President Obama a legal victory that handed Mitt Romney a big issue well first -- -- and.
As our viewers know I've criticized I think virtually every major case that John Roberts is -- -- give -- a great deal of credit because and this is rare and I didn't expect it frankly.
The job but the justices not to legislator not to overrule congress unless.
There's absolutely he has -- he found a legal basis for upholding individual mandate.
People like John -- -- -- Bush's Justice Department's great claim to fame is.
He wrote the memo authorizing torture that's is great contribution to society.
He shockingly came -- -- the -- ministry said oh what we made a mistake picking him a few Republicans should be careful though John Roberts is exactly the right thing and and I'm and they add also the conservatives is so reliant and -- -- He also.
Greatly restricted congress' power under the commerce clause so that's good news for conservatives and for liberal elements of -- like to see single Payer system the fact that he also put restrictions on the government.
Making the states enforce the Medicaid plan might lead someday do a -- Think opening early you'll never get that because it did Democrats time again prove themselves to either be disingenuous -- gutless.
At the very beginning of this whole thing he had his filibuster proof majority he had it.
And did absolutely nothing with it and -- shorten and gave that people traditionally -- the you know what what normally happens with with with liberals like that.
Gave the people not what they want to give enough to keep coming back had had enough plausible -- liability with they eventually obstructionist -- congress.
And it -- so it really it did this the.
I don't think -- they had I really didn't have a -- -- -- an -- a lot of liberals say that he he took too long and he thought the Republican but when you -- -- as they're Republican -- -- is there a comprehensive Republican help you plan out the other -- -- you know -- reform and it would have been nice to have -- -- if they hadn't been locked out of the process but you know -- they took the keys away from because they drove us into the -- He had one goofy public stunt of -- of a round table where two Republicans got in about four syllables and arrested were shot out.
Nothing no tort reform.
Nothing about health savings accounts absolutely and you know look look I -- this is this is doing that would talk about job killers make of of this thing being a job can.
There's an article up in Westchester County where I live where the people would bow ties go and.
I was actually ends by the way before you count on Sarah writes in his own tweets me to say that you look like Matthew Broderick can I music and I looked like I'd like really I would like say Sarah he sings bad day he died -- he's funny -- Wells Fargo wagon is -- -- -- -- he's not married Paris yeah.
-- -- -- -- -- The prisoner is -- hand -- the things is that is that the.
What was my desk I had a good tournament monetize it let's -- definitely ask a question as it is a story earlier at the end of last week about about a small business.
A a husband and wife team a mom and pop organization.
They run via a small hole cleaning company merry maids or something like that I wish I had inning and then ripped right now I would -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- that there 46 employees and -- and he is nervous about the number fifty.
He's nervous about it because as soon as he hit fifty the compliance issues and all of the bookkeeping issues and everything and new state alone is tough and often to follow the regulations there are companies out there who are afraid of expanding now when you start talking but in this economy companies small businesses entrepreneurs afraid of expanding.
That is an anathema to where this country has to go.
And so that right there -- case in point fifty he's looking down the barrel of a 40000 dollar -- fine if he doesn't comply in full by the time limited on those over fifty.
Well it is it is -- what time it is I would agree that the administration has -- the best job presenting -- learning that I've researched and I think but the truth is even though people say that.
-- -- is the largest middle tax.
Tax increase the show that this is hundreds of billions of dollars going to the middle class taxpayers and small businesses so.
That's the truth.
There and we -- and also the CBO which is commissioned by drug which is non partisan estimates I -- this could change.
That -- be saving the deficit will be reduced by a 143 billion with the health care plan and if Republicans repeal it.
It'll go up the deficit by 230 billion so.
These are facts but I think we would you agree that we need at least -- -- out also to this day though we're as the Republican comprehend that I don't plan that's a very good point TJ.
