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And -- yet I see your point I'm Chris did she ever -- give you her theory.
As to how the child ended up.
Over in the woods and I'm I'm assuming that she did that she denied -- if you do with moving the child but what was your theories -- the child gets from the pool.
Assuming that saw the child died to the field about five blocks -- the would.
Well what her statements were both two myself into the psychiatrist.
Was that.
After.
Actors she says she she broke down and cried for -- while.
She was in the fetal position went into -- room and her father told her she said her father told her that he would take care of it and that was the last that she -- -- So -- her so she actually saw the drowning at the home the body dead at the -- -- -- saying.
Yes.
And that the father of OK now I'm getting -- and that George was the one who moved it to the wooded area.
She said that her father told her she would take he would take care of it that's what it that's exactly what she -- And did -- ever -- up approximately an hour later when he went to work.
He called her and told her I took care of everything.
And we looked.
And saw that she had that there was an actual phone call at that time her phone records reflected it.
And it matched exactly what she was telling me and what what's interesting to wish you have access at the time to the phone records so.
You know we're talking about something that that she said.
I want to say about.
Several months later it's remember a phone call exactly at that time is.
Was pretty remarkable and convincing to me.
So she actually saw the dead child at the home that she discover the child correct.
-- that George had discovered the child.
Is there a reason why -- and call an ambulance and why there was an effort to -- get rid of the child and in them in the woods.
You know that that's that's another one of those questions that'll never be answered.
You know in my opening statements what I said was.
This is a very common accident that happened to a very uncommon.
Group of people.
I I think if you look at the these facts and circumstances surrounding this case.
And you looked at all of the evidence there were a lot of times that we admitted evidence having to do with the family dynamics.
And and and the strange behavior within the family like for example hiding -- the pregnancy for seven and a half months.
And denying.
That she was pregnant.
You know and then the interactions between.
Lee and and and and Cindy -- and all of these different.
Stories within the family.
Pretty much Pena -- pitcher.
Of I guess a strange or or different group of people.
I don't know any other ways.
To describe.
That type of behavior.
Other than you know something's just not right here.
Would -- -- understand that was a police officer in Ohio have a -- to Florida my memories cracks ever right.
Correct for -- -- us yes so if he if -- June 16.
She discovers her child dead drowned.
George says -- -- take care of it she gets a phone call later.
Why do they -- the I mean and -- -- that's but but the other is -- Why did they not bring Cindy in -- or did that because Cindy's making frantic calls over the next several almost five weeks.
Yet you know it in the book I I lay out.
The you know weeks we suspected it -- first -- I thought it was strange.
That the next day Cindy what to work it started telling people that.
Someone was swimming in -- pool and at the pool -- was up.
I thought I -- -- to be an odd topic of conversation.
And I -- a for a long time we suspect there or we were curious as to whether sending you.
But I never found any evidence to support that and that's -- and Casey never told me that so.
You know what I think.
That's fairly.
Cindy was the matriarch of that -- I think even in the time that you spent with them you could probably agree with that statement.
And you know Cindy rent -- house and you know it was from what Casey told myself and in the psychiatrists.
That it wanted to know and my understanding is that she didn't now.
At what point that all changed.
And none of us will ever know but I do know that's.
October of 2008.
Lead confronted Cindy.
Because she had been sending -- in the woods off of suburban drive.
This is it's two months before.
This is two months before.
Roy -- Called 911 for the fifth time.
And and basically confronted her.
And said that why are we searching for that Caylee when world.
And we -- believe she's alive.
And -- get the answers he wanted to he testified to this and and really is one of those.
One of those -- dynamics and never made it into the evening reports.
But he said you know after that day I stop searching and I went back to work.
And you know -- will never know a lot of the answers.
It's the questions that we have in this case and that's and that's really the sad tragedy of -- all.
Is that.
Many many many of the questions we'll never be answered.
Let's -- am I mean I did spend a lot of time in the -- I spent a lot time with Cindy.
In the home and you know.
-- -- -- -- I asked -- -- genuinely distressed and -- know what happened I never got the sense that she was hiding.
-- should not be mistaken on all that stuff but I thought that she was pretty straight -- -- -- and have but I didn't -- an -- suspect George has been and I think by The Big Talker.
But she was the -- there.
-- you know.
-- Yeah that that's that's accurately.
Describing.
Those two.
I I I also -- -- very much for very long time.
And I had no way of other than the weird conversation.
The following tea of the seventeenth I had nothing to indicate.
That Cindy was aware that they Caylee was deceased.
In any way shape or form.
Did did so is it your serve assumption me on that that sometime after -- after mid July.
And before this conversation that Lee had with her in October of 08.
That she somehow got information from George and knew that the child was dead.
Well.
Again again all I can talk about.
Isn't there is -- is what the evidence showed McCain I can't speculate as soon conversation that I don't know whether took place or not but I will say.
There were couple pieces of evidence that was admitted in trial that that that was -- one of them.
Was that exchange between.
-- and and Cindy about search Dominic searching in the woods.
Then.
On December 20 when the police executed the second search warrant.
It's your knowledge said.
That as soon as he arrived at the home.
Cindy told on my people search -- month ago and there was nothing there.
And Cindy -- later denied that making that statement.
And your knowledge impeached -- and you know that that's just one of those.
And then -- got up -- testified that in fact.
She was aware that Dominic was out there searching so.
You know.
The whole thing is just you could say it's a remarkable coincidence that.
Orlando being over a hundred square miles.
That the only place that the investigator for George and Cindy Anthony.
Searched was right exactly where she was found.
Happy you could say that's a remarkable coincidence or you could say that somebody knew something but those those -- the the two or maybe the third that there -- it was just dumb luck or or bad luck.
Can you disavow me of my opinion.
Of Casey I saw Paris selfish.
Party.
Liar.
Called and -- care about it shout that's the way that was the public I think I now -- pick -- -- alone have an answer and view -- impression for based on everything to happen.
Can you disavow me of any of that.
By to tell you that it in five -- in your shoes and I do and I heard of all the things that I heard and probably.
Share the same opinion but you have to assume that those statements that were made -- those reports are all true.
And I and I and the other thing that -- was today in her defense I would be.
I know it was that I down I actually I don't know it was our showcasing.
That's true but I know that Marty -- and and idea I understand the party.
You know I have I just you know -- -- -- -- -- -- the I talk to the people party.
I went to the tattoo parlor.
She didn't -- I asked what she was like at the tattoo parlor and I talked to all these people that she was living with and that in that window between June.
And mid July.
There was actually nothing.
And there was just nothing to suggest that anyone knew there's I think -- with her or that hit any sort of concern for her missing out actually zero.
Of course a -- -- -- -- -- -- the shot was dead from seeing a child dead at the pool at home I don't know but in a stunning.
-- -- Well let let's let's take that and analyze that a little bit more.
It's either cold.
Or it could be something much deeper.
For example this is a person who created.
A different life.
Created numerous friends that didn't exist.
-- in it.
With the nanny the nanny wasn't just the only one I mean Casey got to we've got up each morning.
-- got dressed up.
And went and got Caylee ready.
And went to a job that didn't exist for two whole years.
That's -- we years that's there's always a little I think is a bit more than weird it.
And excited she's created all of these stories of all of these different people in her life.
Who didn't exist.
And there was that one of the telling parts in the trial at a farm fascinating.
About -- Casey's imaginary friends and that's what -- that's what we call them.
Is Juliette Lewis there was an incident where it Cindy testified that one day.
They went to -- -- Casey and and Cindy what's Universal Studios and waited in the parking lot for an hour and a half.
For Juliette Lewis to show up as she never showed -- think about that for second that's the -- of a movie.
While you're sitting there waiting for someone to appear when you know doesn't exist.
It and what was the motive for that murder no absolutely not this happened.
Close to a year before anything ever happened -- -- So all of these things this would have to be.
A remarkable extraordinary soup were thought out process.
Of two years of of living in this.
A fantasy world is really the only -- only.
Phrase that I can -- or that there's something wrong that this person.
Knows how to shut up in compartmentalize.
What is going on in their life.
And what they're actually feeling.
And -- and go on in live like nothing ever happened.
And you know.
I just certainly couldn't put my finger on it of course we put forth the reason of that.
Casey was telling us we thought might -- been the reason it's also based on some of the conversations that I had with some of the mental health experts that this is.
-- possible these are.
Symptoms of someone who suffered significant trauma and abuse.
And let me ask about that he has found -- you use the allegation trial was -- George sexually abused her.
Did you ever ask George about it or did you have I I realize it abuse occurs it's done in private.
But is there an is there anything to corroborate that.
In in the book one of the first -- is the one of the things that I -- -- when we talk about that the case and the abuse is that.
Cheney Mason I said George down and in his office.
And this was just before.
The letters we're gonna come out from one of jailhouse snitch is that.
Casey was alleging that he had abused her.
And we said -- down and we told him that his daughter was saying that she that he sexually abused her.
And he didn't admit to it but he didn't deny it and we found that to be very.
Shocking to us.
That.
It's -- left Cheney and -- looking at each other incomplete.
We were dumbfounded.
And we couldn't understand how.
He just didn't deny it now.
Again this one of those things that it's more of -- -- jumped subjective.
Opinion.
But all I can tell you is we confronted -- mr.
Anthony about the abuse and he is ever ever ever denied it.
Was there any suggestion or any accusation every abused the child Caylee Anthony.
You know.
We thoughts and in the first of all that's something we gave consideration to when we were.
When we were investigating the case in fact.
We knew we we even thought -- considered.
Maybe the reason that he didn't call 911 was because.
You know an autopsy would -- and and that kind of abuse would be revealed.
However I didn't have any evidence to support it it was just speculation.
And because of that.
You know I I I -- no we we can't go that far it's not something that while I could've argued it.
And and and we could've pushed the issue.
I just didn't feel.
Without some type of corroboration -- without some type of something in that direction.
I didn't feel comfortable doing.
Did did he did you rest George if he saw the child dead at the house having -- ever put that blunt question to him.
We put a question to him afterwards.
As to whether he had witnessed an accident.
Because.
Is.
Alleged mistress.
Crystal Holloway.
Was about -- -- we had found out about that -- I had time we confronted him with that.
And we asked them we said.
And I right that's another with section that are written a book as well and we confronted him about.
The abuse and and no he and I'm not -- -- the the accident and we ask -- did you witness an accident you have to tell us and he denied witnessing an accident and he said.
No Casey left the house when -- when I said she did.
It in what did did you get any idea that that Cindy was protecting him what that there -- some -- and -- their relationship between the Dario.
Casey and George -- Where it where -- boarded that she accident this.
Well I think with Cindy.
You know the whole thing with Dominic Casey being in the woods.
Was very suspicious.
-- -- other than that we didn't really have a lot of a lots to go on that Cindy may have been protecting George.
There were a lot of secrets in that family.
You know there were a lot of things that George was up to this and they didn't know about and and there were a lot of things Casey was up to this in the Sonoma so and you know -- the whole family like first like to keep their secrets.
So.
You know.
If that was the case when you know we -- Cindy probably wouldn't have known about it anyway.
