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-- in the west remain deeply divided today after the latest nuclear talks and now we're getting -- that he Iran continues to threaten to close the Strait of Hormuz.
-- -- says it plans to continue nuclear negotiations despite all this and now -- Ronnie -- are giving as detailed reasons to keep talking.
Based on there -- an interesting -- -- today Jim auctions international security expert with the MIT security studies program hi there again.
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Our Ron's relationship with China and North Korea and -- decrying their kids -- -- national security and analysts nice to have you.
All witnesses we continue to talk about whether or not we're making progress here Jim and that's the big question.
Last week you sat down with some in very imported from arrived and got some insight that very few people got tell us about that.
I was set a luncheon but that via a running an investor hosted in new York and received an oral briefing and in -- written document that sort of -- out.
From Iran's perspective what that their cases the way they would like to see the negotiation go.
You know it's about them written document is pretty hard line I would say the oral presentation showed more flexibility but essentially.
There's you know there are two things going on here.
There's some issues where I think an agreement may be possible.
And we can talk about what those are stopping 20% enrichment to 20% would be one example of that the Tehran research reactor.
Would be another example and other things where the sides are completely apart and where it's very hard to see Howell you're -- -- you have any progress on some issues.
-- -- KT you're able to look at this document is about KT what do you think it showed us as far as whether or not we're any closer to a resolution.
Or whether or not a -- resolutions even possible.
I think that's the key is -- -- looking at negotiations for their own say or do they wanna actually come to an agreement.
What I want for Henry Kissinger in the 1970s during Middle East shuttle diplomacy.
We found that the best way you've got an agreement with the both sides really want -- an agreement they didn't just want to talk about it.
And what you -- the warriors with Iran are they following the North Korea model.
North Korea and negotiated and then I'm negotiated then -- negotiated -- the whole time.
They were making their nuclear weapons program proceed at the end of which they said before any agreement was reached.
We don't need to negotiate we've got our nuclear weapons Iran which is a close collaborator of North Korea are they following that game plan or do they really want an agreement.
You really -- things -- Gordon because -- you've been saying this for years you've been saying North Korea.
And tell us a little bit about what you think about what he he just said here's a look like Iran is following a similar -- does it look like Iran may be working with North Korea what can you share with us.
-- Iran -- North Korea have for more than a decade been working on -- joint programs one long range ballistic missiles and the other is to eighteen points out.
We're talking about nuclear weapons and so you know this is -- really serious subject because you just not dealing with the -- you're also dealing with North Korea.
And China is of course in the middle of it because China sponsors both of these two rogue regimes.
Jim what do we do.
Well I think what we try to do with the frankly I mean I hear what -- he's saying and I.
Agree with that in part but I think there's also a case to be made the frankly the oh who wants to give -- on Capitol Hill and I've spent endless hours on Capitol Hill is willing to give Iran sanctions relief.
If it Buchanan does what it's supposed to -- computer -- -- -- nah nah nah that's not gonna happen but I think there are some areas of agreement we should do the we should -- agree on the things we can agree on and try to keep the process going forward.
Why should be a dream -- making agreement -- -- Anderson earlier saying because we talked several times about whether or not this is really negotiations an honest between all these parties.
The -- yeah why should we.
-- agreements with a place that -- named a state sponsor of terror since the early 1980s -- why why.
Well I -- we can go chipped it up.
Well not -- we negotiate with bad guys.
All the time and it's very rare that you negotiate with your friends because they're your friends we negotiated with Libya and we got to deal -- got rid of that.
Nuclear program there was negotiation with South Africa after it got rid of its nuclear program it's normally the bad guys who have the nuclear weapons so appear to get rid of them.
You end up negotiating with bad guys but that's how we got rid of could copies nuclear weapons as we negotiated and got them out there and I think -- got 20% in -- get out of there.
Kiki what do you think about that point is well taken you know the -- here -- the bad guys got you know negotiate -- difference does not need to.
Averaging just it was a bad guys and you've got some leverage why did it did -- give up its nuclear work if they don't he was afraid he was next.
I think with Iranian regime what they've got to understand is.
-- just continuing to drag it out isn't an option it's either their necks -- their nukes now how do you get to that point.
Crashing in the Iranian economy nobody wants a war in the Middle East the Israelis don't want it we don't want the Iranians don't want it.
How do you bass -- that -- I have in the Iranian regime understand.
That if they don't about the nuclear weapons.
Then they're gonna have to face the -- people who are very very angry because their economy has just completely collapsed so I think bring down the sanctions.
And make an even tougher and forced the issue very quickly and have it -- economic warfare.
And -- the at a time guarding quick.
Final thought on this because we know that the economy in North Korea's -- gonna brag about yet they still have a nuclear weapons so what do you think about -- he's points there as strangling -- Ryan.
-- -- -- -- -- Did the -- -- -- that's the way to do it or will they still go forward and get a nuclear weapon if that is indeed their -- If you have real sanctions you can strangle Iranians but right now we just have half measures which is really what we did with North Korea -- didn't work so we need not just sanctions but it total embargo on trade with Iran.
Does that include China as well according if they'll have to be if we are serious about Iran and we certainly need to be.
Just according -- and Jan nice have a conversation today appreciate your time thank you thank you.
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