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And welcome -- apple according to a Quinnipiac University poll single -- I'm likely to favor President Obama in the election -- -- voters tend toward Mitt Romney.
That marriage gap has given the president a slight edge in election nationwide.
And that's the first topic for debate panel today and joining me is rabbi Irvin who not author of yearnings embracing the sacred messing this up life.
And Marcia Siegel Stein senior editor of salvo magazine -- -- about -- think he has.
Already kind of knew there was a gender gap.
You know they had to -- that President Obama really really favor with the ladies.
And Mitt Romney a little bit more towards amending man more favored him but this marriage -- this is very interesting what what you think about that.
Either -- he -- you guys look at each other -- -- well ladies -- respect.
That's if it.
And typically the single people do I think tend to go for Democrats and I think it's anything necessarily new with Obama.
And so I think it's refiling now -- and an outline of thought is that single people maybe feel more vulnerable maybe feel they might need government help more than Mary.
-- that's nineteen.
There's also that -- to -- marriage is skewing older these days also -- younger people tend to be much more liberal these days.
Younger people in a more attractive to Obama's is a bunch of reasons.
Bunch of reasons everything is changed when you get married I mean it didn't learn -- -- -- -- we -- on every score you become more conservative as you get married and then you really become more conservative ones -- children but you know it is necessary that that has.
-- -- -- necessary voting implication.
But from a psychological positioned to become more conservative you become more -- profit so.
-- you know I was really really surprised that I hadn't really look at these numbers and whilst I was really surprised at the number of women.
Women that are that really like President Obama do you he has a certain amount of sex appeal.
Has -- I mean I think that it seems is though this women Obama.
They they favorite men at 4730 -- -- winning 60%.
To.
There's also look at the primary I mean the Republicans did a great.
Absolutely as a Democrat the Republicans did great damage themselves in the way they spoke about women during the primary I don't think the -- and they -- they think about women.
You can't take on.
The -- of the way Rick Santorum spoke announced it's not -- anti woman but the way he came off speaking about birth control some things that really are settled.
In the country so you want them to 60% of women think the Republican Party and -- it is problematic now that's bad because I don't believe that's Romney's take.
I think around they got polled -- parts the party.
And that's part of the problem the country things is so polarized in.
What are the numbers at the bottom -- that poll was electability factor yes -- right yeah but but but but I was asked.
It's substantially higher than Romney's flight facility there.
And I mean I can understand I'm a Republican so you have to -- here.
But I can understand that I get yet Obama comes across -- -- like to sit down and have a beer with you know and look.
That's how Lynn and -- -- do is -- -- -- -- -- right have a beer with no matter what your political -- words like I like the dot let every Nancy.
And had tremendous charisma I mean you know -- Christmas a piece of it and and you know -- tellem you know telegenic good also considered -- and if you look at Romney on television you look at Obama on television.
I mean.
Well listen it was a little different -- right out of central casting for -- Roll the president it is no capacity finally has a little bit of that personality issue for -- an -- immigration.
And I'm proud -- these are really right -- and I -- -- in Athens that's a shame that the guy who orders the pieces you know when for the crew immediately Rebecca got.
What's -- -- -- -- but number two because same sex marriage.
And whether or have an Arizona case before the Supreme Court could invalidate traditional marriage laws altogether.
In an attempt to cut the budget in 2009 Arizona lawmakers took away expanded health benefits for domestic partners.
-- workers challenge but the move in court saying it targeted same sex couples but I'm -- -- court agreed.
But one veteran judge things besides serving justices have declared war on marriage -- that so.
I'm gonna give the liberal the first employees here oh my gosh I'm not unlike I'm a -- clueless right mix those positions oh yeah.
Okay I mean it's kept up to marshall's point of you I would think -- -- -- -- and it's not a war on marriage.
You know look the yet.
Court.
Ruled unanimously three judges in the trial court judge did the same so this is this is the way this this.
Played out -- want traditional judge who you know and all and it emeritus judge who who went -- but.
It's -- -- marriage but what is happening as we are we defining marriage in this country and that's a very very everything.
Forget about Arizona Arizona is irrelevant and it's inaccurate and that it was -- and -- -- but that is the holder pointed -- that it does admit that this case is operating under the radar that it will have an incredible implications if it actually get -- an important it is accountants and credits not gonna and it hasn't had many implications because it's a little little thing about saying.
That domestic partnerships are now gonna -- health benefits that's going to be the way things are.
In the next decade it's gonna come across the country that way the real issue is what is marriage gonna look like in this country and Arizona.
We are redefining the way in which people -- establishing relationships in this country and and it's very very serious.
-- lot of.
With -- -- -- -- eight you're saying we are redefining it but I'm not sure that policy quarterback and I haven't I'm not even I don't know that and it necessarily agree that we are we to -- the question is.
Should we.
-- it will we redefine it.
Because it is gonna have to be redefined if they're going to be the shifts that then that's you know that he lobby wants there to be in this Arizona law is interesting because the original law was passed in 2008.
And -- didn't apply also lead to same sex couples it was.
Across the -- across the -- domestic partner in your living together -- -- -- -- -- -- have been a man and a woman just an indicator -- a little -- to begin with -- and only 7% of the people that ever ended up applying to -- same sex couples.
So in this it it was a strange blob ask -- -- there -- traditionally and written initially I mean.
What state would want to have to pay -- millions of dollars to.
Don't know making right by helping but the point is that it is the one expert on the degree obvious threats that it would only cover about two million dollars and because this thing is trying to save of one point six.
That billion dollar budget that budget -- But it just depended who you look at if it's just.
-- -- -- -- -- As well I think that that -- was completely crazy twelve months so that's the -- obliterated but but.
-- Good for the gay community had one thing that -- could argue there and that is if you were domestic partner and wanted to maintain and can't help but you could get married.
So for the gay community.
In Arizona right it is a catch 22 -- so was a law that actually.
-- discriminate in that way because there was no option and that was -- catch 22 of the entire process.
Well we're gonna look and that the last -- -- is -- still on marriage and it still on the the most talked about marriage profit this week.
The divorce between Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise almost you know was raised Catholic as there was a lot of speculation that cruise's religion -- -- Was the ultimate reason behind the divorce when he cited commented either way.
There joint statement only said that they wanted to quote keep matters affecting our -- for a finally private and express our respect for each other's commitment to our each of our respective beliefs.
And support roles.
Parents so -- The underlying.
Were there OK so it was about religion I mean so what do you do it Marshall -- -- played a play and I.
I can't imagine that it didn't -- at night in their but the most compelling recordings on this was an interview.
That another never did with time -- -- former counselor and acts Scientologist who was his -- during his divorce from Nicole Kidman.
You've probably seen it here and he talked very specifically about what their children Nicole Kidman and Tom -- -- children went through.
As result of being Scientologist and they won't work he according to him they were turned against.
Them at their mother.
And if if this is the case and if Katie Holmes was aware of that.
As she could see that potentially coming down the road if I were her I would -- tennis.
I was always wondered though if Katie Holmes actually to call to Nicole Kidman said tell me what this is gonna say there was speculation at this it was an unconfirmed reports that chance if I were you -- I would do ABC -- -- And and make sure you get your ducks in a row before you make this happen because this is what -- and I was blind sided him.
Well one that they -- -- that this is ten days they didn't pretty privately he couldn't get out of control that's a healthy model at least there.
You know whatever is going on religiously I don't think we have any idea but it's a healthy model to settle things -- ten -- to -- any -- -- players yeah.
I don't.
A lot of them out like that a lot a lot of people have millions of dollars and it and and he goes in the courts for months and months and -- -- -- through and it's very ugly exchange is somehow both of them will mature enough or not good enough council that they.
Decided the you know -- with all the money -- both sides have.
This could have been a protracted and very very disgusting one more right way in which could divorce happens publicly.
-- I really -- be home -- a good actress she has a good future she's not.
It's a disease not actress said that her -- I'm marrying -- position -- -- she's she's looking at a financial future that she can make -- -- but I think it's you know it isn't bad.
This was about -- apology or -- just about all interfaith marriages where it's okay watch until the kids come.
And then we've got to decide how we're gonna raise the kids -- not worried that question right they're.
We're changing this is one of the things that's changing 8% of people under 3532.
In this country.
I'd say they have no problem with interfaith inter ethnic.
Marriages.
Now that's a sea change right involved in right in one generation and part of that is what -- -- -- very very different kind of boundaries between different religious communities.
And we're seeing it already people getting the resources they need to create meaning in their life from a wide variety of religious institutions independent of those institutions and -- -- that is going to.
-- real challenge for institutions.
But it's a real challenge for people.
But we don't have that many statistics -- to think marriage is about much higher divorce rates.
You know religion is a complicated thing in the race when you raise children with values that's complicated in the society -- -- so.
Absolutely it's hard to imagine that she didn't -- -- that her.
They had this was coming down the road and maybe initially she didn't have a problem with it may -- something changed her mind.
I don't know -- I you think most people are relatively intelligent and it -- they must know if they're an interfaith couple that is going to be an issue I think.
I don't think so I'm you know what my -- my gut reaction is -- -- -- a lot -- of -- of them think about it when they get -- they -- they love each -- so -- that of that -- that religion doesn't matter but when you get into the everyday.
Elements of life.
And it's not but that is if you imagine you get back to his regular everyday issues and religion that they -- It's also -- literally you don't.
Know what you're going -- you don't feel that you don't know what you're gonna feel when you have that child.
There's certain things that you want to pass on to people even realized and again with the defeat of marriage is all the time.
You can even realized that was something he wanted to pass -- five years earlier it really wasn't important you weren't lying you weren't unaware it was really unimportant to you and then it became important again because.
You have your child and maybe your grandparent died during this period and and your parent is getting -- and -- you change all the sudden.
You know I want that -- -- want that Chanukah celebration or want the Christmas.
Your right and what ever I want to warm Fuzzy is -- my my my child I would they have run it now and that really real credibility I want to thank you both of -- -- -- -- and and Nevada -- -- for being here on the -- panel thank you so much and that's it for.
