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With us we're a spirited debate and I'm gonna go back down to Washington DC to -- Joseph McCarthy who is the author of the searchers.
A question of faith in the valley of doubt and whenever things don't want to say it doesn't -- -- -- welcome.
Thank you good to be here good good to hear it for you.
-- interesting on a survey among eighteen to 29 year old -- of 72%.
Said they're really -- fearful of them were lit relational -- -- I'm -- that religious.
Right it is this.
A generational issue or is or something deeper happening here.
Yes a good question I don't think it's just a generational issue I think for all kinds of reasons lot of good reasons people are moving away from -- to -- traditional faced racial expressions of faith.
And they're charting their own way and I think.
I think they're upset with a couple of things and they're kind of two extremes and I'm trying to avoid in his book is.
On the one hand I think they reject the the kind of militant atheists who say that no religion poisons everything I think on that on one hand they wanna avoid that.
But I think on the other hand they wanna avoid just dogma.
Those religious dog with this level -- -- doctrinal ducks in a row.
And -- seems to be no room -- mystery no room for doubt and I think this passage in the gospel of Luke Luke 24 which is what -- the book is based on.
I think in this passage this conversation.
Among two of the followers of Jesus just days after his -- occasion we see two men moved to a place of great -- doubt and disillusionment skepticism into place of faith and hope it's an amazing conversation.
Bring -- to other statistics that we have it in a full screen that we can bring up for a one is talking about.
That Republicans really remains highly religious and it's talking about how prayer is an important part of my daily life would gut.
Of the people actually completely agree and then you've got 48%.
Of the people who couldn't come to compared to 42 percent of the people who completely -- so 76%.
When there's another statistic but I think is really really telling in this is about a generational issue.
And it asked that it says the statement I never doubt God's existence -- on the front generation those born between 19281945.
Say they never doubt God's existence -- you moving to the millennial generation those born after 1981.
Yeah down to 68%.
You know there there is something about the different generations isn't there though.
Yeah I did you get I take your point I think probably in this post 9/11 Ara.
In the age of religious terrorism religious fanaticism and has been a tendency among some commentators especially those on the left.
-- equates say Islamic radicalism with any kind of religious belief whether -- Judaism christianity or whatever it is I think.
You know there's a whole generation of young people who've grown up but that kind of narrative that religious belief.
In and of itself is a problem and an early generation wasn't thinking that way so I think there is something what you're saying sure.
-- goodness knows you bring up in the book I think is very very important is that everyone of us seems to have a longing for home.
Yes isn't is that part of this the religious search the sort of spirituality rather than being religious.
Yes and I think -- be the Christian -- CS Lewis -- a wonderful phrase he says are inconsolable.
Are inconsolable secret way means there is this.
That's characterized by virtue.
Justice peace and love -- constantly reaching for a society that is not really in Iraq experience and never lived in this kind of place but we keep trying to build those kinds of -- side of the society's.
And we also want to be the kind of people who are worthy of those societies this deep powerful longing is universal.
-- cuts across our cultures and yet we can't ever quite arrive are inconsolable secret.
There have been doing religious organizations makes that point is that something of that organized religion seems to avoid all the time in place of -- -- You know it affirmed doctrine -- this sort of mysterious longing.
Yeah I think it's so many churches are speaking -- -- from above personal experiences is certainly part of it also historically speaking churches have emphasized doctrine they've emphasized dogma.
They've emphasized that'd be the real religious rituals.
And they're not comfortable with any kind of uncertainty or searching or questioning right.
It undermines church authority and undermines doctrine.
And so that they they tend to shut down debate and I think especially young people -- aren't comfortable with that way of operating -- They -- they tried that route and it's completely unsatisfied.
But I -- you losing -- the young people because.
In the -- we're talking about you know -- trying to.
Before that this sort of spirituality.
In the -- can be unsatisfying because either constantly searching for something that you couldn't create on your own.
Rather than something that is.
You know objective -- outside of yourself.
Yeah I mean some this goes back to.
What are your basic operating assumptions -- sends people on a spiritual -- searches kind of question you wanna ask and well it's some kind of a crisis that comes in their lives disillusionment maybe comes in their life their dreams turn to powder and now they're existing belief system.
It can't quite accommodate reality that is hit them in the face and so now they're on a search and so the question is.
Where are they gonna find those answers that deep universal.
The -- seekers as one philosopher calls them the -- -- here's what's gonna fill that.
That that he that he yearning and meet that need all kinds of things we put up in in place all kinds of idols we have apart from the god of the Bible frankly.
Did visit but there's also another issue here that they're not they don't pray they don't read any kind of of holy book.
The statistics are showing that -- -- spiritual.
It some very vague about what spirituality actually means why is that.
I and I don't have a good I don't have a full answer for Gunn Allen I think summit goes back to the idea that traditional religion.
It's doctrines its creeds it's liturgy is dogma it's been discredited in their eyes and so I think there's an openness.
-- I think there's a real openness to truth.
And openness to orthodoxy but it can't be packaged in the stable way we need to speak to people know language they can understand -- bother.
Reason I wrote this book was I felt a similar frustration in in my in my own churches.
And so as a -- person not as a minister as a pastor I'm not that I'm a historian and a and a believer I wanted to try to communicate a biblical truth in a package uniform.
That we -- all grasp.
Was very interesting book -- -- ever re emphasize the book is called the searchers.
A quest for faith in the valley of doubt and it doesn't -- on -- -- -- researcher and senior research fellow at King's College it was actually -- New York city's what are you doing down in and just enjoy the heat down here that's all I think if anything I want to thank you -- dot -- and I'm talking about the book it's really fascinating I'm sure.
It will -- -- conversations among people.
Thanks so much for -- real pleasure -- writing we're gonna take.
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