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And -- deal in studio next to me for the first time -- used to -- and I miss all the time to have your radios that.
You -- radio and TV twenty top 46 she is Brian and I -- New York detective.
What did you first are breaking out where people -- knowing who you -- you remember -- are retired nick apology.
For -- is the feature story in New York.
Magazine back in 1985.
And I think that article how -- was a top to -- that was a catalyst for me to give a lot of notoriety I started doing talks shows -- And and then that review -- -- congress back in the sixth.
And he just kept going in and we -- -- follow it.
But you know I -- to do a few shows on his shooting -- Brian.
And Ian a lot of emails and widows and all that stuff I don't even do tournament -- -- in my account.
From a lot of people are very very unhappy with some of the statements I made.
On the -- earlier.
Well what you're saying is an -- -- first so -- like to get your opinion on what we learned because the near post Washington Post is doing some work.
About the actual operation teams Holmes he's the suspect 24 years all right and then I wanna get your take on the fact is able to -- -- 8000 dollar arsenal over the course of four months.
And meet up we have begun guy I couldn't even know you can order this stuff over the Internet without a background check but first -- want to get your take in stopping along the way.
He glow comes into the theater with a semiautomatic rifle -- or fifteen.
Eight jams we find out -- this thing could have been a lot worse.
Why do you think you would jam and prevent him from firing all underground.
Well I mean whenever you have an automatic or semiautomatic weapon.
You can have the big two rounds come down.
And they GM mean that did not single file around some rounds to cartridge can be a little for -- like that.
We jams in the gun and -- it also if you make you nervous or you can hold and triggered him.
No it has no seriously it's it's around itself that would would do jamming.
So he switched to a twelve gauge shotgun and and now it's find out he didn't immediately surrendered to police we walked out in swat gear bought from -- -- police that this people buy it from.
Which is staggering to me -- -- get not that big jet uniform.
I get a knock -- but I can go get that's why uniform over the Internet.
Well you know one again my friends out there from the NRA says should have he -- have the right to do that.
And again I gotta agree would what would lonely and RB RN RA peoples state.
That you know -- guns that were out there that he had and use I mean the guns are really kill people people kill people he would have gotten its hands possibly -- so else.
My exception to this was.
Magazines not clips because I was corrected by another NRA got.
Magazines I'm saying should not be sold would have a hundred rounds -- can be shot like that that is -- -- hunting or even.
Even you know sport shooting you don't shoot a hunt around but.
You know what my problem with this being a former detective I just feels though.
Too many killings of being done on the street and we even had in New York City guy would they are fifteen shot sixty rounds I mean.
We have to try to slow it down a little bit I do not want to take bombs away from Americans I believe.
We should have the right to bear arms so I just wanna clarify that out to Europe I would never vote against Americans not -- in Hamilton.
Have -- so deals here -- we find out we're getting all different type situations.
His plan it seems he was to shoot up every killer by -- Walk out to -- -- The look like a swat guy.
And then it was opted to different swat officers with them into this you -- one of us.
Because he had the neck protector on another piece of the and the groin protector on and they get that stuff but they don't we're at because they find it to -- While I tell you what I mean my best.
Regards to those offices -- did and that's the -- to bomb of 600 it's not a small as I -- And and the thing is that they responded -- available pick up Ellis back up a little bit.
Part of the thing was he set up all these booby traps in his apartment.
He had the -- that was gonna go -- -- loud music.
At midnight he then started shooting after 1 o'clock in the morning it was supposed to be a diversion where people would call the police to go to his apartment they would then open up to -- two explosions were cook -- -- probably -- lost a couple cops there.
That went to that front door everybody be running to the -- -- those cops and many would have a lot more opportunity to shoot more people his gun jammed.
Then he came outside in this what every once it -- so do -- -- whatever he obviously Smart enough to give up.
To the cops you don't want to die who says he was such a psychopathic person.
First rule all that technology that he put together developing -- booby traps all the gasoline canisters.
Where it was gonna blow up like that this is months and months of preparation if that guy's crazy -- crazy and that should be that defense should be taken right out torrent of -- So forget about insanity defense in your mind that I a legal experts say I don't know what else -- -- and you talk about what he did this is what I understand he did cops who would enter the room.
A magnetic switch hook to the door would -- a chemical container.
Onto another chemical can -- and there would ignite cans of gasoline.
And light up the whole place and obviously kill a lot of people they -- you would have been it would they -- the equivalent of this chemical being like me.
And also you had a lot of ammunition the apartment today still yet other stuff -- -- for.
How -- would've blown -- and it would have been extreme.
Did a devastating damage in that building.
And all his evidence probably would've gone bye -- and his computer and all that now they've got everything.
They were very professional debut in Russian again my compliments to their Russian if they did it in a very formidable way when no one would get hurt -- and the cops because he told him and -- I tripped up my apart why do you do that well Brian how many he would do all -- -- you know all these -- You get the suspect in Harlem let's say and you know that he lives in midtown.
You find out where do you live I live at such and -- -- -- you kick that Dorian.
Well I'll be honest with you I don't think what you would go to the front door and I think the door was unlocked so -- -- in here in -- loud music.
Morton actually went in and turn to donate -- to -- absolutely is as standard but but yeah but the thing is once he said it.
My idea was that he did not want to riff of the cops because if he would and ambushed and blown up more cops.
You know I think that he felt as though letter I did enough.
I made my statement -- -- -- -- is -- -- stupid statement he was -- but killing innocent people including children.
And I really believe that he didn't want that.
Aspect of it to come down where he ends up killing cops because -- and he felt as though he does know what they can do behind closed doors.
You know although we know that doesn't go want anymore -- ha ha ha -- I I personally think that he has no idea prisons like.
Yeah I think he's getting that sense as in solitary confinement I just hope one thing I hope that he doesn't see prison not long I just -- That we -- swift.
Swift justice -- a lot of people are against the death penalty goal innocence and -- that.
I mean I don't think anyone in their right mind can take this evidence that's there.
And evaluate and fuels though he had any sort of the not guilty yeah aspect of kill these people.
So he's able to put this together we know that he's got this federal -- -- -- -- steady stay for his Ph.D.
And he's unable to keep -- the State's university -- something happen.
These over the use that position to call it to -- they think.
In able to qualify him to get these chemicals without people being suspicious we think -- -- -- he -- -- basic stuff -- it too but.
What what I'm saying is all the ammunition 6000 rounds was obtained on online.
Again and was brought to his house and also I think some of the came to the college -- have to.
Play I've been reading what I read in the place we got disease called tactical dear judge here dot com that was the that was the swat thing here now again this is an ongoing investigation.
A lot of stuff that you and I read come upon investigation.
So I do make mistakes.
Course I read what people -- I'll ask you to comment -- well the report is that trend right away from the right now the thing is again.
When you do an investigation you verified he verified -- verified and you build -- like a -- -- plot together so when you prosecute you showed the district attorney what you got.
You're able to show why how all that and again you know when I say things or some people it jumped down my throat.
And they listen -- I respect everyone out there I'm just trying to give a in the semblance of possibly what occurred.
Well yes and you've seen a lot of criminals you talk to a -- -- When people say well these Batman movies are too violent -- giving people too many ideas is that something neat you think keys is.
When you watch the mob movies when you watch a week giving people ideas by showing them what we think is realistic or unrealistic.
Assaults that yes yes yes yes and -- my son my youngest -- -- -- -- forget what -- about twelve.
Grand Larceny auto and how to shoot them parenting and and is a psychological thing I think he really that this video games get a video game brown -- the auto -- the -- hand -- and -- -- on.
I really believe that it can have reflection that when a person's thoughts to lose a little bit gets depressing side and whatever happens to home.
Now they've watched those videos and they've taken their mind why -- how he goes up a blaze of glory this was a couldn't really controlled.
Benefit of you know.
They use the word was when -- when he premeditation.
This is the catalyst of premeditated murder.
Over course of months so there's not going to be anybody's saying that it was just a happenstance.
It was something that he specifically.
-- a lot of them people realized.
This -- -- movie has been out on the Internet.
The black market Batman movie you feel caught enough you could've gotten up for -- I'm just thinking about it.
That he possibly they'll check -- -- -- got a black market and he got.
They had the Batman mask -- yeah hotel but in the big picture below.
Is that part of the reason this -- -- a layman here.
Where somebody who's never killed before could sit and it feeder and literally.
Saw people down.
And not react.
And not understand what he's doing for example of the soldier can't adjust to real life and has an episode of what.
He was trained -- -- what the boot camp he -- you know miraculous to Afghanistan.
Anyone off the rails and how does somebody sit there and killed a six year old and a 22 year old pregnant mother who's never -- before -- It -- thinks you've been desensitized.
By some.
Why are about being desensitized.
Is just the idea -- his mind.
That he was kind of a loser when you look at his whole life yet the funny thing was the mother -- new.
Has some was involved with this so obviously must be given -- that a mother that he was depressed.
He was a loser and he wasn't just being successful now we wanted to bring -- attention and I do love that police chief from New York -- -- -- there.
Any -- suspect -- one.
Don't even give them the credit to mention that because he wants his name mentioned yet and I think the more we matches -- -- -- he feels about it what.
But when we find you know we need your that we -- Europe -- that you describe it would I know Malia and all right people finally real quick hits the idea we have is we have the -- at WWW.
It's easy investigations.
Within as.
Dot com WWW.
Investigations dot com.
And we don't work all over the country security investigative work in the has some fine people -- the morph me a lot of years and we can handle every time the case.
I was go to Robin Chicago and have a huge problem with guns over -- by district Carlos please hey hey don't Iran.
We need to be reasonable individual break here's my problem as a -- member.
It's cheerful number one it's slippery slope once you start restricted at what point -- -- -- -- strict.
You talk and actually choose three they are.
So rifle that has a normal thirty shot clip so you say that that's only goes fifty.
Either way you're not restricting it and you're not going to -- slippery slope that tells me as a gun owner as well from the -- rightful owner.
That you're going to start urged -- not just that but you'll continue because as the night.
So whoever slippery -- are you well you know what I have to respect you for your rights you have and I do respect.
I'm only I was commenting on it was a -- magazine that was -- -- holding a hundred rounds.
I -- and oh.
Yeah and in this thing is I have I have -- assault -- -- -- -- and I believe people should have the right to own -- -- on trying to do.
Is we're having a lot of shootings in new vehicle again in Chicago and a lot of these -- around things and show you're you're -- person responsible person I in the standing guns don't kill people people kill people with that said it has to be some kind of control of you being able to buy 6000 rounds of ammunition over the Internet.
I need an extra -- do you think that that's is that too much to ask to have people go person to get the -- No because now what you daughter I'd buy off the Internet as well I'm also every voter which means that can create my own ports and the reason that we do that is because it is cheaper.
Because with the Obama administration with a different things -- they have set in the past.
-- -- costs during prices as well ammunition to skyrocket.
Registered in order consumer we are trying to find what is the cheapest.
Rob -- do what how we think the solution for the crazies getting -- -- so rivals this.
Background checks I agree I believe that both he would have passed it -- this guy do you have a criminal record in my right you haven't you don't we respected -- under million.
With due respect to cool I mean this guy would have -- everything I mean these college graduate he's got -- -- Honestly we we really can't dissect all I'm saying is.
We've got to have a little bit more control not what I -- -- use the word control because everybody jumps down my throat might -- when I hear about a magazine with a 100 rounds.
I just feel like I get eighty beat a former detective I hit -- about it that's all.
Right and the fact is rob on the word about you I'm worried -- al-Qaeda getting it yet these guys still -- around the country.
-- a rather go to Barry let's go to various San Diego first Barry you've been up for a longer you're on -- and -- -- -- bode deal.
And it's an honor to speak to both of yet.
I think we can cut the federal budget in half.
And now one year attacking Hollywood five cents for every bullet that shots -- -- you these two violent is that your point.
Absolutely got a little cute that little nephew who grew up where does Superman outfit and the other ones where and it's Spiderman outfit in his little -- just glorified that step and then watch it asks -- changed over the years to be more violent.
They become desensitized.
This guy who knows -- -- -- get to the end of its road and he aside all the -- CI I'm predicted appreciate it guys that they don't want that read here they don't want it time to Hollywood could probably we'll take it on the.
-- -- -- Now I -- is headed to prison don't know what I'm what I'm saying is I I agree with you.
I agree you you as -- -- and -- -- -- grandfather I agree with you the violence is really really overwhelming.
On the Internet the violence is a woman at a Hollywood.
And then also on these video games is -- -- on anything and I really agree with you it's just that -- you know mindset about -- in this and becomes like a game.
No you just pop the guy's head would it would rifle is an -- off.
I I really really you as a concerned father thanks very Tim in Fargo, North -- Tim.
Morning I think we're making a mistake in our culture society when we confuse people with.
Quit being crazy or order you know a -- should I I don't think there's that many totally really insane people out there but there are a lot of people.
With the problem of evil and when we.
Don't glorified -- violence and all that what Hollywood in the movies and everything what we're doing -- -- feeding people evil.
And so this guy on the Q and -- he was just evil and he let it overwhelm it now.
Got me beat the reason why he did what he did it but it's not the same thing as an excuse -- -- confusing people.
And sanity and or confusing reasons and excuses he should be held accountable for the cute -- he's not insane just -- I I agree I agree he's not NCC is the stuff that he did I can even -- -- -- obviously if he was that insane.
He would -- the bulls to shoot it out the cops and he was it to you turn out to be pumped there by given up the way he didn't let you know I am so glad he did because.
I would like to see the different outcome.
I like to see the real swat guys -- had a -- work well.
I ultimately think he's gonna end up there but I would like to find out what -- him off to make sure we can stop the next one vote -- thanks so much for coming in.
You -- committee get all right I love this show Brian you break.
