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Clinical psychologist Dr. Georgia Witkin speaks with Brian and Gretchen Carlson about the suspect behind the horrifying massacre in Aurora.
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Doctor -- first off what do you think.
When you saw the assailant in the alleged assailant court yesterday is he beginning to blood to build and -- -- to face.
Defense in in his actions.
By definition what he did.
Make him.
-- -- It away that means that he didn't just wake up -- morning take a drug.
And go out of his mind and he premeditated he planned bath apartment was booby trapped.
It's the jets -- a bit -- things you mentioned drugs.
Yes but long term drug use it's that -- -- number two possibilities.
Brain injury because Brian.
He was in a different reality.
-- you.
And then me or number three he could be mentally ill with what's -- psychosis -- again a break with reality.
The hallmark is delusions we believe things that aren't true like it being persecuted yet -- this show and they'll be sorry.
And at the plot against me an object he'd been.
That's delusions or hallucinations -- keep things that aren't there -- What.
One of the three reasons whether it's drugs.
And -- -- code that's.
Or whether it is.
You know.
We -- situation.
Which -- it -- This is not just anybody sitting near gigabytes -- -- The average child has seen more than 100000.
Hours of violence and -- don't go doing it.
200 million people -- digital color it'll -- movies and don't you don't do it.
So by definition.
Opening up -- a crowd of people don't even know.
Mean that.
Your brain.
At some point -- The Georgia what about number four which is -- such an obsession our culture with becoming a celebrity.
Whether it's for.
Doing basically nothing and to sort of being famous are being famous.
And may beat some people in this new generation are are caught up and that is that a possibility.
You know I hear that you -- that we can speak about that aren't there.
Here's the problem with that easy answer.
We are all living at this same time in the same world that this thing PB with the things celebrity with this same PNC with this same movies.
And 200 million people you know one person doing this what every five years.
They have a history the Brooklyn.
-- -- withdrawn.
Almost always he he had already dropped out of mainstream.
It was such an easy answer that people want celebrities that they do something like that and you would have a lot more cases.
Did you know in saying this is how well -- That it can't be explained in his mind.
Might he said now lobbyists celebrity -- but that money -- already distorted you know what it's like.
Thousand people by the way what has a heart attack -- -- rape -- the heart attack note did it protect the baby yet.
The sounds like you would be a good.
Psychiatrists to -- for the defendant.
Absolutely not because I'm talking about explanations.
Not.
Excuses.
You know I work with the police board many many years and I'm glad you brought that -- I'm standing that something is wrong it's really different.
Didn't meeting before a jury that's now whole separate thing.
Do I think -- -- by the and people who register have a responsibility.
To note that you get lack of -- -- being you know -- caught -- in the -- to people around.
Have a responsibility for stepping -- Compliment -- remember Kitty Genovese case -- where everybody ignored it.
I think with mental illness spirit or a responsibility.
And it and the extent to teachers and parents and -- and -- that everyone around people like that.
I'll go one step further.
Which -- that most people went something going wrong with their -- they know it and they have responsibility to get some experience.
To go get help to people who come into my topic since say -- and I'm really yet I'm worried about myself I'm really -- -- we lashing out at people are.
I'm beginning to think AB CD -- help me that's taking responsibility.
For your -- Right doctor George which in our guest.
A psychiatrist.
Professor of psychiatry Mount Sinai Medical Center.
I doctor -- -- here as we look you -- we're -- right now I believe that the answer to this problem is not -- gun control.
Is into is being liked being responsible as fellow citizens to say that guy I work with.
Is it is a danger my son is out of control I cannot unleash him on society I think about Loughner in Tucson.
And I think about this guy and I think about the column by and Packers.
People I don't know the word about -- -- -- -- want about these guys.
You know gun control is that separate issue.
Separate issue with this guy still -- delusional.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- No no yes yet gritty it's he -- chemicals that he had sophisticated.
Didn't get things off market in black market grew you know -- saying or doing things that are insane not to -- -- -- I mean I don't know -- not his.
You know it's I'm not saying anything like that but I think gun control is -- separate if you absolutely violence in movies -- him.
PD a separate issue -- a separate issue and I hundreds -- embodied -- same thing and they don't do the things.
But doctor what can what can people do because I'm.
I'm thinking back to the Jared Loughner situation with the shooting death that are shooting death of six people and the injury of Gabby Giffords the congressmen.
You know the school all thought that he was a little off and so they did not allow him to come back after students complained.
Of what that and -- -- singing at this a fresh anything to a lot of Americans is that.
You can't force somebody to take medication who may be mentally ill you can't force them to be hospitalized so what can we do.
You've eaten before they get any tactic really demonstrates.
That there at the break with reality -- that that the problem you right.
Be -- you can have.
A hundred people thinking that I thought -- not have been doing anything about it we're entitled to think whatever it thought we want which still isn't real problem but.
Just as Brian was saying before which easy you know you don't pay per bent.
Random acts like -- -- -- com that they you know once every five years Iran among 200 million people.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Some kind of random -- and eat any animal kingdom as well -- that you mean to you know to some extent it's not preventable.
But can -- be a lot more vigilant.
It.
We single case.
That you have.
-- and history somebody who has been alienated -- withdraw it in other words there acting strange -- visit changing personality did that withdrawal.
It ain't that responsibility for the people around the to -- release speak protected.
That community.
I mean let people know let you know try to get that -- help try to get into thinking you know one -- really is.
A likelihood of danger to others -- to themselves.
At for example a therapist somebody who's -- in -- state.
You legally.
Have to report it you can turn the page and sitting in your office that I feel like killings that went so -- -- reporting it.
You must legally -- Well you'll have to report.
-- a doctor also let's look at what we know so far we know it after this brutal killing at 1 AM.
The jail a jailhouse worker said that.
He's eating blueberry muffins frosted flakes and taking a nap by eleven.
And then -- we -- -- twelve minutes of video that we saw on the court room.
If I gave you that told you what he did.
And he without seeing him knowing that it can't be perfect from what you know what could you tell us.
-- -- -- Obviously.
There had been a long time plotting once he put it department you know that -- with a long time product pre meditation.
That he usually.
Part of my -- this or brain injury or use said earlier.
Part of some kind of throughout Patrick he looked.
Sometimes like in the coming out -- -- yes.
Other times he looked absolutely can use at other times he's -- totally separated from the situation.
Breathtakingly wrong with that point again I'm not giving him a debt and -- just trying to understand at this point.
Responsibility.
If -- separate issue.
You know getting out of the -- wanted people now -- something was launch should he would stop himself that this separate issue I don't know that I -- -- not in.
I will say yes -- the answer is going to be the university Colorado.
Evidently the faculty -- one along with this guy often they accepted him there with them in any gives an all reporting drops out of school.
He gets turned down by three women July 5.
The University of Colorado for some reason is not talking universe you Riverside is under grad people are talking to be -- what this summer class with.
Those professors are talking why is -- -- university Colorado talking.
What gets my guess that's a lawyer told them that they really hit it they would elect wants to think yeah -- -- -- being evicted from -- -- no longer a student.
And it might be some kind of legal issue there that might get what you get -- I had Ike ideology I know from his undergraduate was -- they said that he was I graduated with honors and yes a good student I mean they never said daddy -- had any sort of mental.
Illness here's my question because I know this'll be on a lot of our listeners mind switches.
Is there any way that he could have an acting in court yesterday.
I'm sure there's always that way that he could be acting in court but if he was acting I mean that wasn't right act.
You know it.
Why did they admit -- look like he was a little bit more.
You know not not there if they -- gonna trying go for the insanity defense.
-- convicted again -- just -- Talking Heads you know Georgia and not many parking different archive to protect.
If you look at Nick -- can really.
Why aren't typically.
I would say.
That you should be erupting right somebody would be temporarily.
Out of your mind and now how upright in bed.
Mean again that that's not my tight range but we wouldn't keep.
But if you if you coach actors to.
That's what you're saying because -- coach actors too and they'll ask you for that -- input.
Dr.
Georgia that's been he's been a great -- -- thanks so much for kicking it off -- I think the -- it is it is is going to be about even -- we don't wanna make this -- more famous.
Figuring out what made him go off and these others Jones go off to stop the next one and -- people that are responsible.
Dr.
Georgia we -- thanks so much --
