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-- for Mexico -- leads play given the legal case of Goodrich vs Massachusetts department public health.
Which helped bring -- led to the bringing of gay marriage to Massachusetts.
You know participating in a -- cycle Mitt gets worse.
Obviously take nobody gets better and you are speaking out about your encounter with then governor Romney a few years ago and -- and pretty isn't.
Now he's it was a very very unpleasant experience -- Well we.
I think it was a USB you are that one of the reasons why people can now legally get married ministers -- You and your partner were together went for sixteen years.
Now I think we're together longer than that -- we haven't -- Have a seventeen year.
And and and elysees and during this time that you were fighting for equal rights UI because the media forced him to be with you now because he really wanted to write.
Right what basically happened that we sent him a letter all of that point it's coupled with from Massachusetts sent him a latter asked if we can have potential meeting and we never heard back from.
And so finally we just it will may do what will do it will go and read that letter will do it for media that can go and read that letter -- -- thought that.
Thank you won't get in there -- PM and then that we heard that morning he was but -- be in DC for some thing.
And but lo and behold they're in bad weather and -- he was since he was around.
And he was very skilled at.
Certainly -- -- the whole thing.
-- Well what he did was.
When he found out that we were out there talking to the media he came out to an -- -- friends and left the media outside.
And then we went in and met with him and you know had that good you know sort of really -- meeting and walked out.
And he then invited the immediate right -- so he was able to sort of control.
You know overnight -- in the media at the same time on the back.
After what was -- about.
Well I mean I it was so clear to me that he had not ever it was all but that he never even heard about the case.
He didn't know.
So the story of any I mean our our entire team was based on -- -- the stories of the equipment plaintiff couple man.
You know I think I I I kept thinking about it afterwards and -- my -- you know I would governor.
Of a state in the what's going on I would make you know do I am sure that I understood.
Exactly this situation that you know everybody's situation.
And a different feel that the green -- that will that would be my.
You know that would be my prerogative but at least I would understand you're acting -- -- a third of incorporate their thoughts.
They really do his homework is the issue and he wasn't arguing from a place of knowledge.
Right it might -- that that I had in mind that during the meeting -- he didn't feel like he needed to do his homework difficult to duplicate issue he was not even.
Willing to entertain and.
-- when he ran one point against it Kennedy used to be more pro gay.
-- -- -- -- That was -- really crazy I wasn't you know I didn't pay any attention to that -- I didn't even like him when he was running for cover.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- am always open to hearing what people have to -- -- a lot of what a lot of different people had to say you know people do you know really thought gay marriage was an abomination I've went into that.
You know I was into all -- days you know that.
Is that this time we were you know we're in the courts and I've listened to attend the mean -- I understand.
That a lot of you know some people -- -- many years before but a lot of people have probably -- Peter for religious reasons personal reasons or whatever.
Well when you said to the governor.
What do I tell my adopted daughter who was there an apparent -- -- -- connect -- to the governor wise.
What we -- -- yet but I tell my daughter about why her mommy and her mom.
Aren't going to be able to get Mary because the governor of her state is going to block our marriages and -- head.
I don't care what you tally your adopted daughter why don't you get stellar -- -- been telling your for the last eight years.
He really -- I don't really care yeah.
And I think what what significant to me about that they really care one whether he -- -- knocked -- the most significant thing to me was back.
-- from that I could tell that he -- he had no idea what we.
-- isn't -- adopted for example and correctly and I gave birth that was the whole.
Now we'll part of Woodrow view for this was what happened after you gave birth correct correct as the fact that lack -- hospital rights -- your partner.
-- and we had you know healthcare proxies and all -- certain legal paperwork or you know we're sort of fortunate and that you know I'm in the financial services industry union ally.
Kinda had all our ducks in a row but at -- Hillary don't want to be able to get it to see me because she was not my next weekend's.
When I was in recovery.
And she wasn't seen as Hillary's bad as any mother because Fannie.
You know I just had a C section -- the -- you know they were only thinking it was.
He could have want to go to Mitt Romney could be in biological Monty should get.
Right on his I don't know why don't deal with that but it was pretty clear that he hadn't -- -- right.
Your feelings toward -- I -- have not warmed over the years now.
-- you know what when when I -- that I would do.
-- that statement from.
I feel so strongly about.
A really really actually he would be for president you know forget about.
You know conservative liberal whatever I feel so strongly that this item but have the personal characteristics of someone who should lead that nation.
Well leader would take positions on issues on the whether it's a gay issue or anything else -- we know recent on the -- issue that's changed over the years but he won't take a position on almost any hot button issue now because.
He's risk averse and doesn't want to.
Do anything they could upset it's all about that's horrible things Obama has done in his estimation rather than anything he might do to show leadership.
You're right I think that the point is that.
You know we want leaders to be able to take you know to take a position from time to time as need be we would like for them to be able to incorporate the you know the will of the people.
And anybody who's eight we would want the person who's running the country to be able to -- The pros and the cons and the different voices and a -- -- wins are reasonable.
You know position.
Well your reaction when the president came out for gay marriage -- you proud of what -- -- kind of was.
-- a back into it the matter through a series of events he really didn't control.
You know what I don't care how we came to -- I mean the fact of the matter was that he somebody and I think he actually spoke to it pretty eloquently.
You know he's that you know.
This is happening here this is something that would help the people in my world came in in my life and that's how.
You know when Hilary and I we're going through this problem that that -- we were up against you know the Catholic church and my family Catholic they were sending out.
You know notices.
To all the priests on a particular day in.
And asking them to preach again.
You know same sex marriage equal marriage you know and I had the call.
You know the priest for my family perished in Robert Pittman would that be because -- -- my great -- for it to my Anthony were going to be there and I wanted to make sure.
That they were going to be prepared to handle that kind of you know this kind of -- I mean he ended up you know I think there's no way that I would ever say that I have you know too much respect for.
You know humans you know he went on an -- on -- -- reading the letter of support.
I think the key issue here though is that.
What kind of person is Mitt Romney whether you agree -- on the issues or not.
It's how you handle your disagreements how you handle the issues what leadership qualities usually you show this goes beyond what your specific view is of any particular issue.
-- it has nothing he you know who might my problem with Mitt Romney is that he does not -- heat.
Has an ego that makes it impossible for him to consider other people's position.
-- terrify me that someone like that.
Even -- disagrees but he's got to understand the issue.
We have to understand both sides of the issue and make a decision you know and if he can't do that.
Why is I mean he's he's just gonna -- -- country however he did not gonna matter whether or not he represented pour it.
You know poor people black you know Latinos.
You know GL BP people what you can do what Mitt Romney want -- detail.
But -- -- appreciate Tuscany is thank you for sharing your story with our audience and wish -- the very best going forward -- -- -- -- -- -- November and I think it's can be close race I do think Obama will pull it out though.
Thank you for your time tonight.
Thank -- and Julie -- he was the lead plaintiff in the legal case that helped bring the -- to Massachusetts good reverses the Massachusetts department of public health.
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