Was a tell-all clue missed in the movie massacre?
Tom Ruskin, Mike Baker, & Bill Daly on the notebook that could have prevented the tragedy
- Duration 9:54
- Date Jul 25, 2012
Tom Ruskin, Mike Baker, & Bill Daly on the notebook that could have prevented the tragedy
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Former FBI office bill Daley.
Mike Baker former CIA officer that they are weighted president job -- -- divorced president diligence LLC.
Bill senior VP of control risks -- joining us from -- Las Vegas, Nevada law.
Fresh fresh from the casinos is the fabulous -- Tom Ruskin former NYPD detective.
And president of -- all of -- -- -- could see it Tom.
Good to see you to you know -- what they say the cameras in Las Vegas at about fifteen pounds that.
Just -- -- -- Tom Arnold and -- Whoa I'll give you first look first on this on this dreadful story madam.
Colorado neighboring state -- what you are of course.
Tom this is this a no vote could still we're gonna win now hearing about -- -- -- dot com's exclusive reporting.
I mean all -- -- to think that it may have sat in that mail room for up to two weeks.
The fact of the matter does have law enforcement been notified that that no book existed.
You couldn't stop the shooting.
You know we don't know what would've happened had they found it but chances are they would have going to interview him they -- looked at records they may have learned that he did.
Recently received the 6000 rounds before guns they couldn't stop a lot of carnage that minds in the theater.
They'll do you know you you don't want to apportion blame in these kind of things in the end this was one crazy guy it appears -- carried out an appalling.
Act but is there anything we could learn from this in what we -- look for in these kind of things and and you don't do it.
Colleagues anybody should anybody report any weird behavior.
Well yeah that's it that's always been the challenger -- you're saying you know right.
Terrorists see something say something you know what are you saying we you know will call local industries in your average a lot of crazy right on on Bruno -- everywhere you reporting.
But I think with -- talking about here is when you see kind of behavior that becomes.
A question most -- hacking out of violent way especially people have some other systems -- reported -- such as a school.
Maybe parents what have you I think in this case so.
Heavy interest in this is certainly -- stunning development with regard to this noble -- because it is one of the first kind of what -- about maybe his inner thinking and how what he was planning.
But up to this point no wonder they come forward and say gee -- -- you know we we just knew he was going out there I didn't do it -- seem to be some subtle.
Winston odds about you know EA was -- offering -- very Smart maybe Smart has turned and NATO into something else because he was was he wasn't doing well drug that is program.
But I have yet to -- is something that was a harbinger.
Albrecht of this have an event and so.
Yes you need to see say something we've seen it in other cases where people you know even in school shootings were people who didn't say something.
And could have -- in this case.
This may be the first indication that he was calling out for help -- was trying to -- someone at a time -- might ask any.
Things need to change or should change in the -- simple things like movie security I mean we don't wanna be going through metal detectors I don't see a movie -- now and and your point about this you know each.
True and maybe someone said something we agonize over this all the time whether it's an -- whether you know -- -- -- -- -- whatever they.
The incident as we always have that same question is -- should somebody have seen something noticed something is that something.
And then also -- I just want to comment on this this package forward -- get seriously question.
Which is just me you know part of the problem -- -- sort of incidents is that.
For a great deal of time -- investigation done you're just dealing -- speculation but nobody really has a clear understanding of when he mailed -- other than that no he nailed a -- the occasion this massacre right right so we know that -- -- -- off on Thursday which would be sort of a logical you know I think the feeling we've seen this before what they'll they'll they'll you know send out something indicating that they're going to do something but they do it just before they feel it's right back to stop.
So this notion that's been sitting there that somebody could prevent this.
It's it's nothing more than speculation.
In terms of security in the end movie theaters job security and in shopping malls whatever might be.
Honest to god you you know people have to just.
Take responsibility for their own security you know I don't want to make it sound too simplistic.
But people have to be aware you can't rely on the government you can't rely on on local authorities you know -- 911 call.
-- you -- handle a problem that when it starts to unfold -- that movie theater and actually all started heading for the exit.
You know but you've got to have a plan anytime you go -- somewhere it doesn't have to be you know completely -- mapped out -- you gotta go and know what the exits are you -- understand -- if something does drop.
What am I going to trial.
Good and so you would guys pull up our own -- -- and and take care problem let me bring up evolving here of all the legal question in -- one of obvious choice he will know they'll be used against him in color and imagine absolutely.
-- just so I can't I can't think of a privilege that would apply -- the album ahead say yes I don't know -- -- -- I imagine I mean there's a sore right there are cessation you have to have.
Not in this circumstance and is it runs through them the what the rules generally work.
It was an in the possession of the of the really nicely got an introductory you know you have to prove -- really improving our -- and also that's -- -- lawyer here mode in many states is not really it's not his.
We'll develop as people many people think that it is right that they're going to be under on could isn't foreseeable is a preventable -- -- -- that I have a question and an understatement but.
What about the idea that when somebody -- 6000 rounds of any nation from the Internet yes that that are -- -- -- so -- -- let me know that I bring -- back.
Thomas -- left that in Vegas let me bring Tom back in on that point and I didn't tell me there is a lot of people have made that point that ball -- -- -- this ammunition these.
Pictures often packages of weapons ammunition -- center over such a long period of dollar.
Shouldn't -- -- race somewhere.
I think the fact that he was getting solely deliveries all of a sudden and where they were coming from.
And that they were from -- companies I don't know how you would set that up.
You know FedEx or UPS sort of mail delivery.
But at certain point in time where all of a sudden someone starts getting.
Massive deliveries based on some things they could look and see where they're coming from that might set off -- first a long.
The fact of the matter is we have to look towards monitoring.
Of 6000 rounds of ammunition.
War weapons including a semiautomatic.
Abbreviated AK forty sevens.
We have to start looking at those things and possibly then having notifications.
For some kind of monitoring going on.
They're built you know I think I think you know which -- about my in this one -- -- things I I found you know executive order all of this and not have any you know red -- -- him.
Post 9/11 world where we're tracking right people buying banks have.
Fertilizer and other things -- used for weapons.
And yet they do is when you go into his they had drugstore and -- -- you know things such as I was Israeli citizens of these other medicines which can be used eventually to -- down to make methamphetamines -- -- need to show a driver's license you to vitamin DB control there.
Miami package you -- from once thought to another.
And so it is kind of stunning that this case you able to accumulate all of that material sources -- since it also be taken down a black powder used as an explosive.
Outside of just being used as a destruction weapon like that -- it.
A good point we do we we have we do moment.
Those sort of drugs from pharmacies why you guys it's so hard -- why is it not being done the moment well aren't as it's incredibly a -- -- -- -- you know it's like everybody candidate all right well any I don't think business is Gavin and -- -- I have I have -- weapons and -- walk -- -- and I've ordered ammunition online and on on.
I'll be damned I would you know allow the government to say you know you can't do these things however.
I will say that it is it it it is a reasonable thought.
To say that.
I mean I've never woken up -- -- -- myself my god by tomorrow morning.
I need three more weapons and a thousand more rounds of ammunition it's never happened I don't mind if I walk and they say you know as a fourteen day checkered right what does it when he won they checkered I don't I don't care as long as it's done.
Consistently and reasonably.
As a law abiding citizen.
Who also believes in the -- have to bear arms and -- -- ammunition online I don't think there's a problem as long as it's done.
Properly but when you start to say that I don't wanna get all sorts of email now and and and Twitter relentless.
You know saying that that I'm -- I'm crazy to talk to us.
But I don't think it's irresponsible to say that because you do want to be able to spot those patterns.
We do -- -- be on the spot someone who -- goes out buys.
Feel for weapons that seem incongruous that person's behavior and then a few thousand rounds of ammunition in a short period of time right but -- -- me.
And -- in May and may be if someone had going to his house to interview him from law enforcement.
And seeing the way he was acting award dress to -- if you already had his red -- do.
They would is that you would raise another flag.
And possibly who put him under surveillance was something else so I -- I wouldn't going to people came to my house from law enforcement because of an unusual pattern.
To interview me relative to something that it recently purchased or was looking to purchase I don't think common -- saying that red hair as an indicator of the problem.
One would hope they'll look -- I was -- particularly as some would -- -- rightly challenged.
-- anytime soon solidly challenged -- not pleasing anyone would -- obviously you're -- although it seemed to show -- and ask that you look at that you and -- go well with that yes he looks fabulous that they all right Tom -- -- in Vegas president -- -- former NYPD detective.
And here in the studio the other members of the -- -- -- a former CIA operative president of diligence LLC.
I'm bill Daley former FBI Elvis -- -- VP of control risks -- all of those buying companies for all your security needs gentlemen thank you are not great to have -- here.