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-- -- now -- chilling new details coming to light in the Colorado movie massacre.
Reporting that a noble -- believed to be from the suspect.
Was mailed to a University of Colorado psychiatrist.
Right now it's not clear at the suspects had previous contact with that doctor but.
We've learned that inside the notebook -- details about plans to kill people drawn is stick figures -- stick figures gunning down others.
Mary -- -- tools of former -- criminal profiler who has worked on cases.
Including the unabomber in zodiac serial murder case and doctor dale archer is -- clinical and former prison psychiatrist who served.
As an expert witness in many criminal cases -- both of you thank you for coming in today and we rely on your expertise and experience in this and doctor I -- begin with you down there in Louisiana.
Why is it that someone would want to.
What there intended crime would be.
And then put that -- well Mallon said to somebody perhaps -- contact with who in himself as a psychiatrist explain that.
Well I think the first thing it brings to mind is what was the relationship of the psychiatrist.
-- Was -- -- treating psychiatrist didn't just known from the school.
If he was treating him then of course that opens up a whole another set of questions but.
When you start developing a psychosis is that happened with an on off switch it's -- like one -- your normal the next day -- fluently psychotic it waxes and -- and it comes on -- -- And as you descent into madness you have hallucinations you have delusions and that's where this plot was hatched.
On the other hand you have times of clarity where you know exactly what's going on and I suspect during these times of clarity.
He was actually putting this down -- planning to send it to perhaps self sabotage.
What that -- delusional side of his Brian was telling him to do you mean they're rose one room one voice and one year and one in the other.
That pepper hair alive that -- him from acting.
That that's absolutely right it's like a battle of the psychotic Brian vs the normal O'Brien but of course as the illness progresses.
-- psychosis becomes more and more profound.
Until eventually there's none of the normal -- -- it's completely psyched and so too were.
You think about that based on your experience.
Well based on my experience in me in the in the FBI's behavioral analysis unit and and based on -- search.
When I saw this.
A notebook that was sent.
To me that really.
Matches the definition of -- -- and leakage is one of several warning behaviors.
And leakage means -- the offender.
Either intentionally or unintentionally.
And it can be an off handed comment all the way up to and including.
Very detailed notes they forecasts what they intend to do.
And they do it for a -- of reasons the reasons can include to impress somebody.
To intimidate somebody to show power to show control and in some instances it can be.
Actually -- cry for help but it in my opinion this is actually an example.
Of -- its behavior and it can be a very powerful investigative tool.
If we know about it ahead of time.
But but two to the doctors point there -- was this him trying to find a way out.
Of what he was planning.
Not in my opinion in my opinion this plan was.
Very well put together and he was committed to the plan and this is actually part of his commitment to the plan.
I see it very differently okay.
Doctor I read something that you wrote just this past week -- you write to those who claim a mentally ill person cannot plots such an intricate plan.
The way home sit -- simply wrong.
One is that considered a -- it's.
Well because people think that because you're psychotic that you can't function.
And you have to remember that by all accounts this was saying normally functioning individual and -- -- -- six months ago.
And at that point he started developing the psychosis.
Up bundle that he was probably a genius level -- And as you start descending into madness it's not like you lose your -- ability all it wants.
Not only that when you become psychotic you have the ability.
-- clearly focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else.
By all accounts he stop socializing with any friends that he had he dropped out of school he really had nothing else going on in his life except for this plan.
And I believe the plan was hatched out of -- psychosis.
You know what that has nothing to do with being sane or insane remember that as a legal term not a medical -- So the fact that he was psychotic does not mean.
He was -- legally and clearly he had the ability to be able to plot is intricate detailed plan and psychotic people can do that.
To both of you thank you for your.
Insight today as we work through this together doctor dale archer and Mary -- -- for shipped out.
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