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And -- comes on -- welcome actually -- -- people for the ethical treatment of animals manager.
But I campaigns.
-- -- actually thank you for being on the program tonight.
Just full disclosure I'm a supporter of Peta -- contribute to Pina.
And however I do have some issue with this -- -- you're taking bets.
On how long it'll take senator.
Grassley of Iowa.
To succumb to heart disease diabetes cancer -- some other meat related disease.
You know you don't think you crossed a line here.
Well in the near the -- the want to do.
Put it out there in the first place that he gambling with his talent out by bragging about how much he he is playing -- I'm because that we have to get it up at about meet with.
And I haven -- you put out meatless Mondays that upset somebody from a cattle state.
You know -- get some financial interest obviously or at least electoral interest as a senator mile.
And because he objected to what Peter wanted to do.
And you've now gone after him and suggesting that.
Simply -- his death.
I mean for Somalia reacted.
With -- -- -- that he treated that he would eaten more EQ compensate for.
That the USDA recommending that Monday which is pretty irresponsible and this -- or any.
You know not only gambling with the government -- youth is setting an example for people CEO.
Helen its constituents that they -- -- that he -- A diet that actually increase your chance of having a heart attack contracting diabetes cancer.
Putting stroke so I mean -- a bit this is really pretty irresponsible on his part he wanted Q medium to point out to make it's quite a -- acts as.
He's gambling that this helps select what so you gamble you want to out.
-- quickly got to -- we would love nothing more than for him to stop gambling with its help and and dolphins Q adopted -- -- that he can redeem his chance that.
And you dying of -- PD is an accord also.
I would do to impact on the environment and you do the right -- animals -- -- -- in his -- on factories aren't.
And I like says that he mormino money but he's not the only one doing it says Steve king of Iowa congressman says he -- first double remind Monday's.
I'll -- but again that you're gambling with the Palestinians adding an arm for example our you know for people who really can't afford Q.
And at the hospital having a heart attack.
I'm an old movie making light in the act such.
Animals are offering to bring that into the cable you know -- and it is actually an Iowa we're seeing horrible things that of course.
I've been you know they're trying to cover up and making it illegal to Belmont actually are.
I stood in that the -- do you think anybody needs me it is unethical.
I'm not I wouldn't think the people are skeptical just.
You really think it's unethical to -- me.
-- -- eat or can kill animals because of the -- pretty yes.
Where's or anybody -- a mediator pain that most Americans do eat -- Is performing an unethical act by having eight carnivorous -- Absolutely -- Are you you have to look no further then again we -- -- -- is coming from the vast majority of leaders coming from factories -- Which are not only held for animals where there.
Happy conditions they can't turn around living in their own -- But by and -- their trashy and I airmen.
I ruining our our water our air.
Our oil and -- -- bit.
Of course this this is a personal -- it's really not the right thing to do your own.
I am most people whether to -- he -- as a health issue.
And so people don't eat meat for health reasons -- the ethical issue.
From which we're we're coming from I think -- comes from as you feel it's clear from both but you think it's wrong.
To use animals to -- but are we not.
Are we not carnivorous as animal to kind of mammals we -- are we not carnivorous.
Or we not carnivores.
I think I want all our body can really aren't built like carnivores that means he had that you -- digest the track that really.
Can't process me quickly locked in our system -- -- that's why you see people getting colon cancer from the heavy diet and and other diseases.
Really we have to look beyond that argument of whether or not it's natural -- because there's nothing natural about the way that were producing.
You know whatever our ancestors did they certainly weren't keeping animals.
And -- Let's go -- -- What's killing animals and -- it's how we killed them -- how we treat them.
So I mean there -- number of issues here.
But you -- -- that editors there's none of it is okay eating meat is unethical killing animals in the first place and ethical and the way the animals are treated -- there.
Captured is also unethical so on many levels do you think it's it's wrong but even I'm curious about is.
In according to a Gallup poll released this week.
Only 5% of Americans are vegetarians.
Which is the same way it's been for about thirteen -- does that mean the -- you would like and getting the message out.
You know not at all because what we are seeing is this is huge numbers of people who work hiding.
-- a great deal that the out of their diet very -- even mostly out of their diet repeat I think demands -- vegetarian options.
Just you know going through the -- and so I think that you know even -- -- we are not seeing that.
Yelp angry -- going Egan right away are definitely seeing people -- in that direction becoming much more conscious and each.
Even if they are you a little bit of me here and they're really trying -- But the numbers are vegetarians have not changed percentage wise over the last the -- -- -- Well equal but I think -- -- vegetarian to change I think that's what's important I think.
Either the fact is that again there's such a demand for vegetarian food and and for more -- -- -- obsolete is having an impact and consumer either being opened I think -- -- what's going to make it different city -- If somebody let's say here's your message and says you know I think it's a great idea I'd like to be able to do this but I just can't at least eating meat.
-- you bullying somebody off a diet they've -- maybe for decades.
To to totally change their intake of food that doesn't seem like an easy accomplishment.
Well yeah I mean I I can speak from personal experience because I certainly didn't -- vegetarian and I used celebs eat.
Take it all kinds of other things that I don't -- now.
And it just.
The options that are out there.
First of all -- Substitute -- -- and eat that that's not really it's made from everything.
08 Q QB couldn't compete protein which is amazing.
I mean it it chase how much like the real thing that it's just unbelievable.
A lot of people.
That you really had no idea how easy it is down to go -- and you -- Almost any restaurant and have a great -- -- -- Not just to Ali I never order Allah that he had not just the ballot anyway I -- -- you can really get -- Well well -- -- -- -- -- -- did for dinner tonight.
The -- and I I had blinking pipa.
I'm a bit but so do it -- You mean the and and that -- -- got things yeah.
And -- yeah.
A year big in the unity you go beyond vegetarianism to begin isn't correct.
But -- -- unity fish and eat any animal product.
I just wonder if going after Grassley an island I've sent my sentiments is certainly with Pete on many things and I think you guys do great work I just.
And I know you do purposely outrageous stunts which you've been a part of for many years.
To get your message out.
But I want to when you saying things like you know at what point is Grassley gonna die.
And I just wonder if you hurt your message.
Is -- comes off as mean spirited.
Well we certainly don't need it Alan.
I think it -- -- wake -- call you consider.
You know eating more you reconsider eating meat at all -- would -- -- -- -- adopt a healthy diet and and -- long healthy life.
And you know I think it's important.
To point out that the senator.
-- received thousands of dollars in campaign donations from the -- association and other big agriculture.
That's why they can send a statement after really -- -- -- but that's so much that he's a meat eater is -- that's where he gets his funding from.
From the meat industry.
Absolutely and that email and so again -- encouraging and this irresponsible diet.
You -- it unhealthy diet if he's really doing so it speaks patents and the people who you who actually listened to him at -- Expense of their -- and and then of course if you really is eating its way to be expensive they don't -- and I think it's important to point out out.
All right actually I do appreciate your coming on to a talk to -- about -- latest campaign.
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