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But bill Daley former FBI -- and senior VP of control risks is.
I alongside Tom Ruskin former NYPD detective and president of the CNP group contact both of those fine organizations.
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All right gentlemen this soulful shooting on Sunday the sikh temple in Oak Creek Wisconsin.
Now we -- we just heard from an FBI news conference.
That wade Michael -- did the shooter in this case.
Actually died from a self inflicted gunshot wound -- off to being shot by.
The -- I guess as one of our view is said.
How we guy doesn't really matter -- say at least he's no longer a threat to society and what do what do you make of this one.
Build is a lot of suggestions that.
He was had white supremacist beliefs and everything.
Nothing definitively it's it's a much more difficult for everybody to process -- I guess when you don't get left with a neat little manifesto of -- why I'm doing what I did.
Yahoo! yeah you're exactly right Johnson and you know it also has I think for the public.
Has been a bit -- distracting it's a classification was domestic terrorism right it was a hate crime.
You know for law enforcement.
-- wind it doesn't really matter the you know investigated fully unified if any Coca spirit is ultimately.
If there already people who were either supportive aware.
In any way complicit in this they will be prosecuted perhaps by the US attorney's office.
Or simply local prosecutors and the determination of what crime it is -- come out then.
However it is interesting that you know as soon as this this occurred is that.
They didn't hold back.
More about -- be more about the the crime scene for -- who was apparently the -- these tattoos on him that he indicated.
That is either association with or.
I guess empathy with some white supremacy organizations can which does give it a concern that there might have been others who were either again or where or support -- -- in any way.
Have complicit in this -- know I'm one of those I guess.
Is the the girlfriend misty cook apparently the FBI also told to a bad.
Arab I guess -- rest it was it was difficult decision with their.
She was arrested when they get behind when he was local police as backup just to talk to it is more -- And the rest of her truly illegal possession of a weapon let's listen to the FBI talking about the arrest of this apparent girlfriend of -- Michael page.
Sunday evening we get -- and if I missed -- As the ex girlfriend but -- Michael page.
Of the FBI accompanied by the south South Milwaukee police department interviewed her at her residence.
She was cooperative.
That police officers while there observed a weapon and they arrested her for felon in possession at that time.
-- -- -- -- -- Leave -- the point of this is.
Finding out information finding out about it because people want to know -- -- -- when this Sony's usual commute alluding to bill's point.
They want to know.
Who else may have contributed to this crime -- who may have gotten on the weapons with a -- -- legally -- legally.
Who else may have taken into the scene we don't know whose car was left there what the circumstances so did may be other people who could be prosecuted.
Other than his girlfriend and his golfer would be very -- to see what -- and Andrea what his mindset was before the crime.
Yeah this is okay and you know this had known about this is that strictly.
We never let this happen to anyone and whether it would have a crime it is it is -- hateful crime.
But apparently you know he had mistaken this this seeks bright for perhaps people Muslim because they -- turbans.
And you know it was this kind of you know very very said situation all around.
Have really an -- via cell senior writes in here every time as one of these shootings there reminds us -- no matter what we do 20/20 hindsight is the only thing that tells us why.
And it's always too -- it's very true as an aids and it's.
And we all look back and say what could we have done but -- did I mean how do you I mean there isn't any way to be full proof against.
Some lunatic who just wants to kill people is I don't think.
Police departments around this country have to start -- unit and -- time.
Threat analysis unit interest where you have to sign a book to detectives who could also do surveillance and so if you have a man who comes across that radar.
They go like the Secret Service to and question that person to see what the error.
Mindset is to see -- -- already sure if they perceive something and then look into that person and I think that that could potentially avoid.
Situations that we've seen the last couple years we mass shootings and interest -- but -- brings us.
Into this question all of surveillance.
Bill and all the privacy issues that come without a lot of people are going to be listening to -- saying.
Don't you come knocking on my -- just because I say.
I hate NBC for their Lazio a big government.
It doesn't mean on how they -- anything batted back.
Have they come to your door we don't know they are yeah.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- You know I think that's it that's a very valid point and you know we talk about things such as even the -- the Colorado shooting where it's still a bit -- -- to the relationship with a psychiatrist and with a psychiatrist.
Had the obligation to report it was -- specific information many times is reporting many times there's there's no observations of people out there deciding.
You know and the question is how far do you go others what would suggest that -- is acting a bit out of the norm as opposed to someone else.
And it does get in this issue privacy I am one support of a making sure society is safe however Wright also.
Freedom freedom of speech is loans at FEMA speeches across the line we actually act out on right on words of hate.
So we have that that -- -- in this country to speak out about things that we don't act out.
Now this said that the bed just to go back to the of the Colorado shooting the Aurora Colorado.
Will really Dark Knight rises shooting.
They we we -- again.
-- in the last couple of days that this psychiatrist did apparently go to the cult's.
Raise concerns she also went to the behavior rule threat assessment team -- the University of Colorado.
And raise concerns that.
-- I spoke about to doctors about this yesterday and keep don't think he tableau psychiatrist.
Who said that -- gonna be seriously concerned that as a doctor.
That doctor to patient confidentiality that's not something anybody does lightly which begs the question Tom.
If she wins the cops she must have had serious concerns what do they do without information it is not very much.
-- we don't know that as of yet but.
You know if they had this type a unit set up -- Aurora New York City in other cities.
This unit would be responsible for going around talking to him I think if you talk to that.
You don't had a conversation with him I think to be very clear that there's something off of this guy.
And maybe we should do something about it specially after his own doctors you alluded to.
Who you know came to you and said that there's something wrong.
You would -- -- ammunition you received the FedEx packages you can analyze that you wouldn't know he's up to some.
-- -- -- it at a level of deterrence and that to the individual videos to be provocative to the individual event to your point about.
And assessing them.
Is that we know in places like New York City because it worked uncertain business several cases even here in the private sector where they're the threats made but yet they're not enough to get people in for observation recap of certainly -- medical treatment so.
There -- some issues here and does center around Jonathan you're right privacy issues and and and doctor patient confidentiality.
That sometimes makes it very different -- society to even get from.
-- hearing about someone to actually -- in doing something about it right.
-- -- let's strikes in on this say I understand the point of view of you guys.
On the on surveillance but who decides on -- criteria.
Will people be monitored sounds like -- slippery slope AK or wells 1984 that's a that's always they have everybody's concern is why I think.
Would you speak to someone it's what the Secret Service does the president of the United States and when presence going if you have a threat in that area the Secret Service would automatically goes -- -- questions that person.
I think had you spoken to -- -- Had you spoken to different people who have committed these terrible heinous crimes I think you would have gotten indication that this person is a little -- and maybe we should watch him.
And watching who isn't necessarily setting up a surveillance on invading his privacy.
It may have been in the Colorado shooting it's watching the FedEx packages being delivered right realizing the FedEx packages being delivered.
-- -- Other things that was sent to him legally.
Legally -- legal but at least it would giving you wanted to location that we should watch him a little bit closer without violating his rights and what about the mandate.
What about this there was one instance all of this kind of thing.
-- here in the city of New York the last few days.
Somebody was posting on -- direct threats against theater here where Mike Tyson's woman -- is taking place coincidentally or not.
Come and these were very need specific threats I'm I'm gonna kill a lot of people I'm drawing up a hit list this guy some of the -- woman said.
-- to -- to reveal the identity of that poster.
They initially refusing YPD -- -- got a subpoena and as we understand we believe they've been given the information now that's one of those instances -- way you say.
I -- I'm assuming it's a direct threat of course they have to reveal that -- And this is an issue and it it's not in the way you suggested that you know they were refusing to do -- there is a protocol for getting us information and even in some of the more.
Kind of do you know dire situations.
You do have to follow the legal precedent because you don't know leader on that if that evidence is used against that person how it's obtained -- why don't I just -- case or dismiss the case.
However I just.
I just wanna say is that with these type of of of situations is that.
Under the Patriot Act and we look at national security.
That's -- the paycheck was put out there so we had an issue we thought -- terrorist was acting.
With other can -- or acting by himself we had information we need to get real time results.
They be able to do that and forgo some of those intermediary steps which may slow them down right.
The Supreme Court has ruled years ago went -- very well known case.
Do you have freedom of speech but your freedom of speech does not allow you to yell fire in a -- -- and we -- cross that line we used.
-- and its people war.
You cross the line in -- irascible and everyone is -- this proving yourself the same house that evidence gathered later on and if they want to prosecute this person -- having go free.
You know make sure you have a case of we'll stand up -- -- guess -- they gave a subpoena to Twitter in and it was something they were illegally.
OK gentlemen thank you very much it's a very interesting debate.
Where we draw the line with privacy and stopping these kind of all full violent acts that we've seen recently Italy it's a debate it will go -- for a long time know that.
Bill Daley former FBI also senior VP of control risks and Tom Ruskin former NYPD detective -- president of CMP group -- -- Very scary both will protect you if you need it and you pay them large amounts of money of course thank you gentlemen lovely to -- about -- -- always that.
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