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So now -- don't want to welcome back -- -- microphones Ronald Kessler he is now -- with the secrets of the FBI with a special edition of -- -- Thank you Ronald coming on the program.
-- is a New York Times a bestselling author of nineteen.
Fiction and nonfiction books I should say and also chief Washington correspondent in his next until they don't run think you can hook.
The new teacher -- EB forget the Newport you have a but the NYPD -- Muslims.
I that the -- you have in the book about the former FBI chief.
And.
Well there's still speculation.
I -- spousal relationship because.
He would go to lunch and dinner with him every day he would go on vacations with them.
He would take a different pictures -- -- and he left to his entire estate worth about treatment and a three million dollars in today's dollars to tells them.
On the other hand there's no evidence.
Sexual relationship we just don't know.
I interviewed.
FBI agents who were on -- security detail.
And they said that every night at the end of the day.
They would pickup tells -- who were together.
And job she tells and the and as a permanent on procedural avenue and that job -- Hoover had his home and -- watches home on my.
So they were children that -- sustainable and I together let's say if they also would see each other in their homes and spent hours together.
Having dinner and then we're not -- And this with a guy who went after he he went after -- -- he was not.
Particularly -- room.
Will he lose very aggressive.
How almost.
He would.
Send agents to essentially were harassed.
Anybody who might have said anything about -- being day.
And and really scare them and so.
But the but -- -- -- arrest that he arrest other day assistant of the FBI -- seeing did you do surveillance up.
I don't know if you -- You know it.
It definitely wouldn't been consistent with the -- -- -- Before we get to the NYPD Muslim issue you have a peace out and news Max you get a couple weeks ago on this issue Michelle Bachmann is claimed that an -- To secretary to secretary of state Clinton.
Whom I have -- dean who's married to Anthony Weiner.
Is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood and that you correctly say how morally wrong it is what Michelle.
-- Is doing it for other Republican House members asked -- Department of Defense justice and Homeland Security in the State Department.
To investigate whether the US government is being infiltrated by Muslim extremists and that this indeed.
This this action itself puts us and his security every risk I mean it's not good for us to be doing this.
Right we -- to -- trust all the corporations.
Peace loving Muslims who need their -- but neither.
For help and and to demonize them to undercut her own security.
In addition -- it's -- bill Webster the pollen -- directors had an article.
If it's morally wrong attitude to come up -- these.
Charges out of out of thin air of the fact that.
Several of her family members including her deceased father has some kind of connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.
You know we all have they have relatives.
Who engage in activities that would mean -- be part of some people have relatives who are criminals.
Or -- into some.
Organization that we don't prove that does mean we believe the most the most.
Beliefs and -- -- And I know that many conservatives are so.
Turned what -- says that period even.
Talking about -- invited her to various events because she's just totally went into the if you're -- the current thing.
Now your book -- secretly FBI has -- addition to the paperback version we you talk about with a new York city police department is doing.
With Muslim spying is spying program.
They have actually.
-- agents the FBI is -- agents from dealing with -- from department's intelligence division on this what is the relationship between the FBI.
And the NYPD.
On this issue.
Well overall lately work together very well hand and the -- I think overall look seriously please.
Are doing a good job and they don't want Iraq to go to would never talked about this publicly about.
When it comes to the NYPD.
Intelligence division has about David Cone of former CIA official.
They want Muller in fact PF PI directors issued instructions.
You have nothing to do -- wish him whatsoever and the reason is that -- -- believes that.
There methods are essentially -- jagr -- engaged in and the FBI namely.
Attrition expeditions -- gatherings have intelligence.
That never -- anywhere waste of tax prepare mining and violation of American rights.
What the intelligence division does is -- -- system mosque and and write -- license plate numbers you know.
And my book stores as well.
That's right and then just it's it's it's -- it's.
As it.
Because -- American values and undercuts corporation with Muslim community and it produces no leads according to the FBI.
-- -- taxpayer dollars as well as you point out.
So the FBI wants nothing to do this the NYPD those doing in any way they breaching the law and anyway are they doing things that the FBI itself.
Would be guilty of breaking -- -- -- if they did.
That's the anomaly here because the FBI.
Harrison's situation we're hearing and so exposed -- -- abuses of the appearance CIA.
-- -- -- -- Has been under very strict just aren't guidelines about how they can conduct an investigation -- you know you can't.
Passed a law.
Dictating exactly how -- investigations be conducted that these guidelines.
Go into the fact that you need some kind of president kids in need some kind of reasonable suspicion.
You can't just decide on an -- look at -- back.
Whereas the new York city police are under no such guidelines have not covered by the just -- productive -- by having.
Gonna try this Ray Kelly behind it is a Mayor Bloomberg behind it who actually in the loop here.
Well -- they both.
Actively support.
What they're doing and -- amateur just how much you know about what is actually done that's an interest in question.
Heidi you know.
I'm sure Caroline knows a whole lot I don't think Bloomberg knows very much.
And you know it takes.
A little bit of background to understand.
Why this is wrong.
You know where where one should be tried where professionalism.
Hands and witch hunting.
It can be Associated Press which -- -- has done an investigative work on this.
Indicates that they have gone even beyond the confines of New York City they have safe houses in New Jersey they've gone -- -- they have a limited their surveillance just the New York City.
And into the fibers of New York.
-- you know I don't know.
That that's necessarily terrible -- if -- really developing these.
-- that might be related to New York that -- And and a -- -- so and there's no mechanism to stop this is there and in.
Well there's no that's that's really crazy situation now.
Eric Holder did agree to review what they were doing last march and you know probably it.
So take a year or who knows -- know whether -- whether there'll be public what we'll have to wonder if but ultimately it's -- from Pleasanton.
-- purview of of the city.
Or is this not more outrage about this.
It is it is and and you know I want to have their little.
Connections.
Newspapers don't actually want to -- with this city policeman.
They want.
Tips and -- out of them.
The daily -- -- -- in this story on the blog to my paperback.
Has it is the second lead.
Nobody else picked it up.
It's amazing story and I think it's when that we should not lose sight of and it's you've got the latest on this in -- and then them now in the paperback of the secrets of the FBI run thanks for coming on tonight.
Declaration -- -- Ronald Kessler.
The book is the secrets of the FBI now in paperback.
