How big a problem is voter fraud?

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Our efforts to protect voting rights and to prevent voting fraud we will be vigilant.

And we will be strong.

But let me be clear to me be very clear.

We will not allow political pretext to disenfranchise.

American citizens of their most precious right.

That of course is attorney general Eric Holder and Democrats across the country.

Both have been staunch opponents of voter ID laws calling them discriminatory while insisting there's no such thing.

As voter fraud but our next guest says voter fraud is no joke.

It has had a major impact in the past most notably in the election of senator Al Franken in 2008 and state of Minnesota leading to filibuster proof democratic majority in the senate.

Joining me now is -- bonds the -- co author of the new book who's counting.

How Friendster is in bureaucrats put your vote at risk -- -- good morning.

-- to -- specifically talk about that senate race in the state shirts you say in your book that felons voted in this situation which was a legal.

And that they helped Al Franken become senator.

Yeah look to have that race was decided by a little over 300 votes we know now that 11100 felons voted illegally -- that race 177 have already been convicted 66 other cases are pending that's three times the margin of victory in the race.

And it was such a close race one of the important factors of this or ramifications.

Was that then there -- sixty Democrats and senate.

And many say will that's why Obama care passed so is more than just a single race and its effects.

That that's right that was the sixtieth vote that when they crammed obamacare through in the middle of the night Christmas Al Franken casts its sixtieth vote.

You say that voter fraud could have a bigger impact in the state of Florida.

And in the year 2000 with pain -- talking about 2012 in what way.

Well look Florida is already for started finding because they've got a new program in place that sort of finding lots of non citizens on the voter rolls there.

They have already found fifteen -- just a preliminary program.

-- not citizens who voted prior elections.

That's 10% of the margin of victory in the 2000 race and whether they'll be -- get there voter registration system cleaned up by November.

That's unclear.

And they've been sued by the Department of Justice in the meantime they're trying to do that yes -- before you leave I wanna point out something very important which is in the state of Georgia tell me what happened there with regard to voter ID.

Becoming a law.

The voter ID laws in place or five years.

The turnout of African Americans and Hispanics went up dramatically after the voter ID law what in place and -- increased at a larger rate than many states without photo ID so we know that all the claims that this was somehow suppress the vote of minorities.

It is not true.

Indiana photo ideologue place for the first time -- 2008 strictest law in the country -- -- in court and who won the state Barack Obama.

And interest and check out the new book who's counting how frustrating bureaucrats that you're about this on -- the -- and thanks so much thanks or.

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