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So Paul Ryan and the budget plan and that he came up with will clearly play a major role in the discussion and debate.
In the race for the White House President Obama has called Ryan's blueprint extreme.
But governor Romney turned that around yesterday saying that he believes that it's the president's plan that is actually extreme process.
Well I can tell you what's radical and extreme.
Is to spend a trillion dollars more every year than you take yet.
It's radical and extreme.
To pass on trillions of dollars of debts to our children.
Knowing that were never gonna pay back these obligations that we've taken up.
Karl -- former senior advisor and Fox News can to President Bush and Fox News contributor former deputy chief of staff to president George W.
Bush morning -- -- CF.
The more Martha how are you I'm doing just fine thanks say yes so what do you make -- -- budget debate is shaping up and the challenge that Paul Ryan has ahead.
To overcome people's fears.
About what they're being told he is all about.
Yeah I thought that was a great response from governor Romney yesterday short -- And flipped the issue back on the president and ways that ordinary people can understand.
Look -- I've got the white board here Martha -- Medicare this is how he's supposed to be extreme.
This year the budget will spend 503 billion dollars on Medicare under the Ryan plan.
Which -- bits are emotionally endorsed by governor Romney.
In ten years we'll be spending 855.
Billion dollars on Medicare.
That's a 70% increase that is just 3% less 3% less.
Then President Obama proposes to spend so how can that be extreme how can that be ending Medicare as we know what happened to be.
Devastating seniors in fact what it does is -- -- -- two principal differences between.
Ryan Romney and Barack and Biden the President Obama takes 716.
Billion dollars at a Medicare and borrows it to pay for.
O'Brien -- take that 760 million dollars and use it to shore up the finances of Medicare so it continues to be a program that Americans can depend on -- second of all.
Ryan Romney -- it gives seniors a choice stay in traditional Medicare.
Or will give -- an equal amount of money roughly 111000 dollars year to purchase a private insurance policy or keep the one you've got.
So you can keep -- way you don't have to give it up at age 65 and that will help bring about savings in the program because competition and choice will bring down prices -- That that that's a debate and then the question about how to an articulate that to voters.
Is a big -- you've got a little white or -- got a big huge hundred inch color screen here behind me.
And guess -- I've got to and it affects your latest elect oral.
Which is of great interest and it -- it looks a little bit confusing as we take a look at it right away but just tell everybody at home.
-- that of course is leaning GOP the dark blue is leading leaning democratic and -- the later shades of those callers are what is leaning.
In different directions and the biggest change we've seen a -- -- -- April map.
And now we're looking at this is -- August map.
You now believe is in play because apart riding because other factors leading up to par right right.
Well and tightlipped that that light blue and Wisconsin -- -- compared to where was an April comes about as a result of public polls.
Which have shown in this state now moving in two contagion -- yesterday Joseph Trippi.
Howard Dean and Howard dean's advisor and I had a conversation that we both agree that this that this Ron O'Brien nomination is likely to move this from being.
Down about six points to probably be in a toss up state.
You know and we know from Bill Hemmer that Paul Ryan went to college in Ohio same place that Bill -- went to college and now Ohio also looks to be a little bit more -- play.
Thanks -- to Paul Ryan right.
I think so in -- I think states that are that have a heavy dose of Catholics and working class voters who are culturally conservative.
And economically populist are gonna are going to be.
More and play as result of not just the Ryan nomination but the fact that governor Romney as you saw -- earlier clip.
Is going to be emphasizing fiscal conservatism in a way that the ordinary person can get to answer.
American families have had to put there have fiscal house in order make tough decisions.
They're looking a war should insane or you -- these huge deficits and passing bills we can't pay for.
And I and that that that'll that'll that'll help and all these blue collar state.
In -- there's apparent medical phrase they're gonna hear from from every Democrat from President Obama.
To Debbie wasserman shells and everyone else and that says that Ryan's plan and Medicare as we know it and Medicare as we know -- that's the phrase -- you're gonna hear over and over again.
Let's talk a little bit about Florida before we go -- Carl.
Which you see as a toss -- state.
-- down by 1% according to your -- numbers there how to they change the dynamic in Florida and how to talk to seniors to convince them.
And you know that of their perspective -- Depth look Marco Rubio provides the -- the roadmap here.
Marco Rubio ran for senator in 2010 and emphasize the fact it's also security and Medicare going broke.
And that fundamental reforms are needed to keep these great social safety nets in place.
No changes for people at or near retirement if you're 55 years or older no changes whatsoever.
But for younger workers you get a choice you can choose either traditional Medicare or you can have what's called premium support an idea developed by Bill Clinton's Medicare.
Reform commission championed by democratic senator John Breaux of Louisiana are developed and used in frankly in the Medicare prescription drug benefit to great.
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