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First we took some time now from relaxing on the river to talk a little bit about foreign policy.
One of the things the 9/11 commission reports that is they were war with us we weren't at war with them.
Do you think -- or less to think it's -- gotten worse you think we've.
I think there's still -- war with us.
And I think we've done -- a good job we laid the ground work obviously after nine elevenths unfortunately -- have commitments -- -- After 9/11 two.
Put together the interrogation program in the -- surveillance program in the Patriot Act all those things that work.
Vital to keep us safe and for the remaining seven years of our administration.
The system with respect to drones and -- the drones have something the president pushed aside and on.
Back right after 9/11 with the weapons platforms and of course that's worked very well and and it's produced some significant results and the Obama administration's use that in effect where -- get credit -- -- but.
I'm really worried because if it makes a big difference whether you think it's a law enforcement problem.
Got some -- that's awful moment public place that the law enforcement problem if it's part of -- of an Islamist crusade against the United States they kill 3000 people on morning that the war.
And it affects how you think about problems and what resources to bring to bear on the war.
Requires a whole different level that -- force to deal but if you don't recognize that it's a war.
Then the risk you run them again and hit again because you didn't do enough to prevent that attack.
Than the risk goes up.
And I worry now that the risk is going to -- There's -- via an attack here tomorrow but some are -- very much you know it's been eleven years now almost since nine elevenths.
People get complacent.
I think that was -- one off event.
It may not happen again when I worry about is that the next time we get hit we'll get hit with far deadlier weapons and airline tickets and box him.
You know it's amazing I a look at that.
I get reporters -- -- about the rise of radical Islamist.
You know you have known for your entire career Defense Secretary to -- student congress vice president for eight years.
You know many many people leaders in the Middle East.
Why don't I have the sense that radical Islamist -- worse than what we think it is far more pervasive from there's a poll before.
Somewhere between the Arab Spring a couple polls that showed that most people in Egypt on a true real law most people want -- religious government.
That tells me that they -- into a more radical view.
I don't mind as well I think you have to be thank you have to distinguish I think there -- an awful lot of Muslims in the world that are good folks we deal with on a regular basis have dealt with American bases in the past.
-- worked closely with a lot of the folks in the Middle -- after 9/11.
-- -- -- Dealt with the issues replacement back in desert to a twenty years ago me first trip bouncer after.
The Iraqis invaded Kuwait doesn't first weekend crisis.
Get assistance from the saudis and the egyptians.
-- Then boy they really -- him and we had a common cause it was Saddam Hussein -- was bloody dictator killed.
Thousands of his own people with chemical weapons which started two wars do try to build nuclear weapons.
And and other an awful lot of people that part of the world that signed on and worked with the United States and fought beside us as -- Don't know sis complicity.
Some egyptians some IA I think it's a lot more complicated as I think I think go with respect to Saudi Arabia my own personal view is that the regime.
Is viewed as legitimate that's -- This is not a a dictatorship.
King Abdullah as a good man known carriers like him.
Dublin among a number of occasions and great friends and allies have space to become so I -- I think you have to make careful judgment.
-- the have a very different system we'll have -- morality police women of all right some.
They do have a different system but you know they they get their right to pick their way to live as much as anybody else -- Know when you get into dictatorship.
Something like Moammar Gadhafi government.
Who by the time they get in trouble and trouble everybody that was anybody left in -- -- And he had the one point even had a contract in Saudi Arabia.
So if it's a very complex part of the world and I I don't look at it in the fashion that I can sort of right everybody off as problems wars.
I think there's some very very fine people that part of the world -- -- -- -- -- -- -- the United -- over the years.
I do think that when you get into the area where you've got somebody supporting terrorism.
Whether it's you know religious group.
Group dedicated to.
And -- it's it's a government that provides support and sustenance for terrorist organization base of operations for the financial support military support.
Than me that government.
Is our enemy these incidents and it's one of the policies we pursue the controversy after nine.
If you're state that provides a safe harbor terrorists you have a problem for us and I finally.
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