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We're still having that debate.
That we thought -- one before I was even born.
-- about access to contraception.
And whether a woman has the right to make her own health care decisions.
And we must remember that we have a candidate.
Who understands the importance of women getting access to the care they need when they needed -- -- Famous ever.
Law student at Georgetown University once Sandra flock.
Introducing President Obama in Boulder, Colorado earlier this month and missed -- is front and center the Obama campaign she's going to be speaking.
Democratic National Convention two weeks -- in Charlotte.
And she is the point person in many ways on what Democrats referred -- as women's health issues that -- and broaden out to include abortion.
This is power play I -- Chris tire wall and we did not expect this week to be talking so much about.
-- -- right to life about abortion issues.
But we have because -- -- The congressman and Missouri's running against -- -- Said arguably one of the very worst things anybody has said in politics in the past five or ten years.
And Democrats have -- not.
The what's the reality on the ground how does it really play out when you get talking to voters about this issue how does that play we're gonna talk about that.
We're gonna talk about some new swing state -- and why Mitt Romney can't get the traction in Ohio he seems to be finding and other states what's up with that.
And we will also of course talk to because it is there's individual lucky gain any juror from the Wall Street Journal -- join us we'll talk about this column about.
Politics maybe finally taking a turn for the serious after a very silly time.
But guess what.
In -- -- be very very happy today.
Because is live and in person is judge Andrew -- on -- Fox News senior analyst.
And somebody who.
We are so have you seen DC judge because you're going to be -- annual recruitment rhetoric and it's it was a pleasure being here with you as -- -- on your area -- And as it happens you and I both wrote about the same thing today.
I really didn't collaborate we did not -- there was no this is super pac campaign relationship.
But video we both wrote today about abortion.
And you isn't a very elegant fashion I thought.
And well -- fashion laid out.
The case for -- it's a minority position in the country it's a Gallup finds it at twenty or so percent.
But people who are pro life without exception.
That they do not hold that there should be exceptions for rape or incest and it was very -- but not surprisingly well argued but it was it was very movingly written so talk about that point of -- well.
And in the -- -- -- of condemnation of congressman -- by Republicans and Democrats met -- Romney.
And the Republican hierarchy saying this guy get off the ballot.
And Democrats encouraging this conversation.
Over his unfortunate choose of the bizarre phrase legitimate -- what was lost.
Was the implication in -- -- That rape is not a moral justification.
For abortion in that respect I believe he said that -- at least implied in that respect he's correct.
If you believe as July.
As to a lot of Americans that abortion takes the life of an innocent unborn human being -- -- person.
-- the crime of the father is insufficient to justify the execution of the child and there is no such thing as an exception in.
For rape or incest or any other crime that the father of the child committed.
During the process of impersonating them up.
And this is when we talk about the new word charged word.
In this debate now is personhood.
Yes and what pro life.
Groups and advocates are doing is trying to enshrined with in the unborn child.
Or -- if you are on the other side of the debate straight these status today real.
Person and the reason for that is language by justice Blackmun Roe vs.
Wade which says very clearly.
If the fetus in the womb is a person than this opinion makes sense -- -- late because of the fetus is a person.
Persons are inside of the due process protection under the constitution.
And you couldn't execute -- destroy remove harm the -- for about a jury trial fourteenth amendment kind of deal precisely I have argued.
But the fetus is a person.
Not for religious reasons but for rational reasons the fetus is father did.
It is parent -- back to human beings right and the -- contains a fully actual sizable human genome stated differently.
All the genetic material needed for the fetus to become and independent.
Capable of living outside the -- human being is in there it doesn't require anything else it only requires nourishment right and so -- -- always and to me it's not even a debate.
That the fetus is a person.
So the interesting thing now is an I wanna take particular bank shot so follow follow as we played some snookered here.
The president using -- -- and others.
Is hitting very hard -- important right now.
And trying to cast Paul Ryan who agrees with you yes it -- does not agree with you Mitt Romney's point of view now -- wasn't as one government chooses but it's.
-- -- -- -- But that was not his point of -- back in the day but has evolved into it and has been consistent in is life is a national politician.
That he is pro life with exceptions for rape and with exceptions for incest and for the life of the mother of all Ryan agrees with you he's also a member of the Roman Catholic Church -- police -- I hadn't.
He agrees with you that -- -- he said.
Do not compounded tragedy the tragedy of regular compound the tragedy of -- by the taking of the child.
By the president is trying to -- Mitt Romney.
-- six with the national perspective pretty well as he's in -- according to -- with those some 52% of Americans who are pro life with exceptions.
But -- trying to it was expensive here's my bank and by bringing up this issue and talking about this.
Does the president started discussion that ends in an unhappy place for him because he pretty clearly the president is pro choice.
Adamantly pro choice the Democratic Party platform doesn't even make exceptions.
Were banning the practice of what they called -- -- the horrifying term.
A partial birth abortion rating or late term abortion rate are the Democrats walking into -- -- It's I think they are and I think so for a couple of reasons Chris first of -- the president has a very that's and small minority position on this.
Mitt Romney's position and I'm not here to -- -- his candidacy but on this issue.
And it enjoys a lot more support from the press the president is is a very very extreme position which is even rejected by many moderates and many Catholics in the Democratic Party who will be voting delegates at the Democratic National Convention two weeks and that is that there should essentially be.
This isn't even the Clinton position remember Bill Clinton.
Clinton's position -- a legal and rare politically that was a genius position he -- about it right to be if he can address it morally right but he captured the majority sentiment saying -- of anxiety so -- to have to get responses one is the president is often deep left field on this and we'll find little company.
The other is I don't think this moves a single vote this November.
This November is just economics and I think that the American public will come around to that just economics from and after the convention we'll see about.
That says we'll see about that Stark County Ohio I want to ask you one more thing before we go.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan yes is the the archbishop -- he's also still the archbishop of New York -- OK so he's he's your guy he has he's the president of the national council of Catholic bishops GG KP -- -- pretty big deal yeah he has pointed out in his case.
The dvd be very big deal right.
So he's going to give.
At the Republican National Convention.
Is that has put some people back on their heels a Democratic Party catheters and Democratic Party were historical allies in this country for six years that they are no longer Chris what's that -- what is the effect of that -- of your fellow Catholics see.
Cardinal Dolan there in Tampa.
I have not been a fan of the presidency of George W.
Bush but George W.
Bush created more profound alliances between Republicans.
And Catholics than any other president in my lifetime with the possible exception of Ronald Reagan.
And that is bearing fruit now now cardinal Dolan has also invited the presidents of the Al Smith dinner.
At which governor Romney will -- it's a sort of laid back.
There are holds barred a nice guy it is black tie dinner.
But cardinal -- being front and center on Monday -- intent but is -- profound slap in the face to them out -- alliance of the Democratic Party in the Roman Catholic Church.
Judge Andrew Pollack John though he knows stuff and he says it in ways that people who don't know as much like you and me and understands that we appreciate that watch -- tonight a special.
Reports 6 PM eastern you'll enjoy it thanks thank you for.
We're gonna take a quick break and then -- Smart -- continues to rumble through our PlayStation as.
Joseph Trippi is here and Steve Hayes is here we're gonna talk about -- staple and and why Ohio is acting differently than the rest of the Rust Belt -- -- with that we'll talk about it when we come back so stick around.
Three men and women that drive our economy freedom is what makes -- -- And President Obama bless his heart has tried to substitute government for free people and it has not worked and it'll never work.
-- -- was Mitt Romney.
Insulting President Obama in the fashion made popular by southern women everywhere saying bless his heart he just doesn't know how to do it.
Mitt Romney was campaigning there and Betancourt Iowa they -- the quad cities.
And -- very important place for him and this is powered by welcome back in the deal for this election is pretty simple.
Picture the -- at any court or starts in Baltimore actually -- runs through Pennsylvania.
At an Ohio across Indiana but goes through -- for change -- of course Wheeling, West Virginia to be precise.
That line if you look at those states in the states that are above that Michigan Wisconsin and out in Iowa.
Constitute the core of this election yes Florida is going to be a huge deal it's got when he -- electoral votes but there is a massive basket of more than a hundred electoral votes.
Right there that are up for grabs and who wins there is no win this election that's just how that goes.
Snow who's gonna win.
And guess without us.
Between the two of them and -- some.
If we could use your brains we would know is Steve -- who you who knew -- right now Internet.
Senior writer for the weekly standard and Joseph -- Democratic strategist.
Sparring partner Carl roads.
-- get to see plenty of that in the weeks to come.
But we should always point that in and at the Joker -- pretty big deal for you because he -- -- you to -- -- politics with our team.
All right gentlemen.
Let's quickly go through that new round of -- state -- from quinnipiac New York Times and CBS that are out today let's start with Florida.
And we compare.
President Obama and governor Romney now.
Vs this August 1 and we see it.
A little -- -- for Ryan down their closing the gap now at -- to a three point margin for the president.
Instead of the he had -- it was a six point margin at beginning of the month.
And then let's go to Steve cases native Wisconsin.
Where we see the Ryan effect very clearly.
That we see its President Obama 49%.
Mitt Romney point 7% closing -- gap from 51 to 45 earlier this month.
So that's good news for Mitt Romney he's happy about that.
But here's Ohio.
And -- -- however that having been said here's Ohio we look at that and it's still the same as Bob Seger sang it's still the same.
At fifty to 44 and Ohio gentleman has been absolutely there that six point gap has been consistently in poll after all left report Ohio.
Why is that so different -- you gophers.
Good look I've been watching and I'll whole way hasn't changed the Obama people are very confident about being outside of the margin -- their for.
Quite a while I think -- got a couple things -- -- whatever out of every nine.
Jobs in Ohio is auto industry related in and -- out of problem yeah.
And end -- great it can unionize and in the other thing is.
Bit did Ohio significantly under.
Below the unemployment really -- -- -- it's going down.
Unemployment -- going down there -- do so with that and what the president did the on the auto industry.
There's you when you look at Vincent focus -- series -- real feeling it what the president's been doing newsroom is working in there's.
Hesitancy about Romney on I think some of the Bain attacks and other things of actually for some reason I think really paid hit pay dirt there a way that they.
They happen now whether that's because the union households -- the auto industry immune they don't think he's on their side there's something going on in Ohio.
It's different than the rest -- the wrestlers -- different than Pennsylvania.
Michigan that have strong union sentiment what's your -- well there's momentum difference I think also with respect to Ohio if you compare the Wisconsin you look at Wisconsin.
You look at what Scott Walker did there you you've obviously seen results -- people like them or not.
It's made a difference his approval rating in this latest New York Times when Dick Pole he's 53%.
Over 43% disapprove which is growing for Scott Walker.
In the right direction for him and there's this sense that Republicans in Wisconsin are very energized didn't like was Governor Walker -- -- relatives that.
Contrast that with what happened and in Ohio where governor Casey tried undertake something somewhat similar.
But included public safe little -- police -- you.
And lost badly and it in a statewide referendum even at this time we should point out that the president's healthcare law was repudiated by the right on the same day -- -- went -- the -- sixty what was it 61 blues and it was -- against the takes a political term spanking press.
And it and look I think that matters that really matters and think you've seen this momentum shift or difference contrast in those two states.
And Republicans are having a harder time making their argument -- -- Let's talk about some aspect -- it just about.
Previous segment about abortion and -- this plays and I remember being in star cameo Ohio that's can't.
And doing today.
What do voters think kind of story.
And I remember talking to a woman that's what you think President Bush.
And boy did she unload on him the war -- us.
That spending that deficits that the problem I mean that tax cut everything it was day -- to ration of George W.
Bush -- -- are you voting for Gary she said.
Now I'll vote for bush has that when she goes abortion.
And that has stayed with me.
As -- the Democrats talk more about abortion feeling that they can -- in suburban women a way.
From Mitt Romney in the Republicans is they cast them as radical.
That's not a discussion that helps Democrats in blue collar counties and it was -- You know I think that it what will we keep sort of try -- it -- some of these issues and make them.
The issue and they are particularly -- that issues it is for a lot of people but it it's it's I think it's a whole assortment of things it's.
It's pell grant cuts its its Medicare it's I mean it's -- you put it on the -- in.
And the Obama campaign ends -- having their gender gap I -- -- you know and and and pulling more women and not in and in the end.
You've got the fringes of that today you've got the tidy king.
You're right no no other problems -- that didn't -- both parties and meaning what we knew we you know we haven't happened on the democratic -- -- somebody's well Joseph Biden.
He says that stuff doesn't sell says I'm so glad I don't know I guess it's the greatest negative it's gonna open Monday but -- -- but that's that's what Clinton so what I'm saying is that you add all that into the soup right and Romney ends up I think it on the wrong it's.
On the wrong side with the women at least so far -- I think to be honest.
I thought they were making.
-- it started to close at Kapalua that was meant their women were start to soften up a little busy and you look is boy actually see his I don't and then.
Tickets have been in -- can happens you know the of them Ron -- in the Republicans denied the right thing by kicking him to the curb.
Very fast in denouncing it saying get out but keep it stolen -- -- and.
I think easily make the key point I mean this has to be part of a broader indictment of Republicans as excuse -- -- I think on the merits.
It is such an unbelievable stretch for the Obama campaign to try to paint Mitt Romney has.
A pro life radical I mean really this and really -- years ago right as approach to answer it that that is the logical fallacy that is involved in.
Doing what they're trying to do right now which is to say Todd Aiken is strongly pro life Paul Ryan is strongly pro life.
Therefore Paul Ryan embraces what -- and said therefore Mitt Romney -- what Paul Ryan embraces you back transit of property there's -- it's like.
-- totally preposterous.
Transit properties of abortion aside I quickly want to.
Show you -- -- -- what you're saying.
Which is the -- -- for today.
But of course measures only positive sentiment about the candidates it is not a poll but basically what Twitter thinks about them and we see President Obama and Mitt Romney both.
And both still very close.
-- holding onto some of the Twitter balance that he -- its president from Paul Ryan who is he went -- -- younger.
A -- what one what running nineteen.
Let's do put this in perspective on.
What makes when we look at Ohio.
And why this has been so consistent.
What is different between Pennsylvania and Ohio we've seen momentum for Romney in Pennsylvania.
And you they're right next to each other the right there -- Pennsylvania acting differently.
If you get.
-- I know this I mean it's it is -- it's so we're.
There's just and I haven't seen I haven't been that groups or anything in Pennsylvania.
I have seen him in Ohio and the thing in Ohio was.
I'm they keep saying this they really were buying some of these things that the Obama camp has been throwing out there to cause doubt the saints though it.
Not turning in the -- and a higher as the net revenues from the baseline in Michigan Ohio State big rivalry -- I union I mean our night.
I I don't know because it doesn't it doesn't those two states in particular is so similar in a lot of ways it does and I do think he -- -- -- the -- balances him.
Have an answer on the auto -- -- Joseph would not like what I think the Romney campaign should -- to its era when you got to live like think they should actually go Hartley should own it it's there.
Only make the argument and say look what happened it was a -- to the unions this -- -- way to the -- UAW they jumped in front of everybody this is special interest yeah president president who came to Washington who said he was gonna change Washington and in fact.
He is part of the the cycling but I'll.
Yeah especially got to go don't tell him that in Toledo is if they have -- way that they -- I think -- They're like -- unfortunately this idea I like this crisis elitist like this idea gentlemen you're generous kind of lives we thank you it's okay.
We've got to take a quick break but when we come back we'll have another generous -- wise human -- join us in manager from the Wall Street Journal will be talking to us.
About what he says is perhaps returned to the series politics.
I doubt it but if anybody could make the argument it'll be dead -- stick around.
Vote and that is not.
Hot and you lyric to Katy Perry song.
That is President Obama campaign and yesterday.
As he was today -- earlier this week -- a grassroots event in Las Vegas, Nevada it's Wednesday.
And it is sometimes at these rallies.
Hard to find a lot of substance being discussed.
And it is easy to see him some notes a Little Rock stardom.
This have them both -- certainly for the president.
But -- -- to -- is a very Smart one of my very favorite writers.
Writes about politics today.
Because it you can read in each Thursday's wonderland column appears in the wall street journal editorial page where he is deputy editor and -- You say that maybe things are gonna get more -- maybe Paul Ryan.
Is going to make things turn for the serious count me skeptical.
But what what do you say today.
Well what I was saying Chris was that in the age of if I may say so the Internet.
Every event kind of gets equal weight in the so everything rises to the same level because we have to talk about it and it doesn't make any difference whether it's.
Stephanie Cutter and the Obama campaign accusing Mitt Romney of -- Committed a felony while he was -- May have hurt now there's not a -- thing out Missouri.
There was a time when these would be kind of overnight events and they'd -- but now they stay up and it creates a kind of strange.
Competition between the seriousness and politics and what is just basically you know these fleeting -- well.
I was struck by the fact I've got out of here for about a week Cresson went over to Europe and I went to Berlin and I actually visited what was left of the Berlin Wall Checkpoint Charlie.
And that was the center of the Cold War and there's a nice museum there and it really kind of relates what people went through there that desperation to get out of east Berlin.
The number of people who were shocked and kind of the seriousness of the Cold War.
I'm walking through this museum and I come to -- entire room dedicated to Ronald Reagan.
Speech the Brandenburg Gate where he said mr.
Gorbachev -- down this wall.
And I thought there was something about.
What Reagan did.
There was that the idea then that the Berlin Wall would never fall the Cold War would never end.
Reagan said he wouldn't except that status quo -- Chose the Brandenburg Gate and the Berlin Wall is the moment to elevate the issue and it was and it.
Time of enormous seriousness nobody doubted that the states were very night.
Fast forward you mentioned Paul Ryan.
And I thought you know I think Mitt Romney has done something similar by picking Paul Ryan because what is the most.
One of the most serious issues that we face right now the cost of entitlements Medicare social security and Medicaid.
That has been at the center of Paul Ryan's argument that these entitlements are heading towards collapse.
And I thought it was a very brave thing for Mitt Romney to elevate those issues at a time and all of professionals are saying.
Don't go there don't touch these third rails we can't talk about Medicare and -- campaign because the Democrats will help kill us and I think.
Romney is now.
Treating the American voter like the adults that they wish to be.
He's putting before them the idea that they have to make a choice in this election about where they wanna go on something as substantive and serious.
As the future of Medicare.
I pray god that you are right -- and that the American electorate is taken a turn for the serious.
But who will who I guess we've got ten weeks to find out.
Internet please read and as much as you can as often as he writes because it's always worth reading and thank you so much -- thank you -- Okay.
Quickly we will tell you what you think.
And Danny did it says probably fix the economy and then talk about -- -- gay marriage etc.
That is the Mitch Daniels position the truce on social issues after fiscal issues.
Doesn't make a lot of people happy.
Greg -- says the fact is if you believe in.
You are pro choice that said Obama's position is extreme we want to know if the judge is related to Janet I don't think so but wouldn't that -- and with Thanksgiving dinner if it was.
Okay we've got to go but good news for you Harris Faulkner is in -- Jonathan -- today and on the -- and I know you love her she tickled you that's accurate.
And now as we like to do every day we want to leave you with the word.
From our friend Charles.
But assume if you have enough that you're gonna win the presidency you probably have enough to win.
51 seats -- -- in the senate so he'll announce a retroactive undoing of all this stuff why and it's a six month extension while they work out.
Real Ryan like tax reform and entitlement reform.
I sleep well at night.