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God and the Democratic platform

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    Lino Rulli and Marcia Segelstein weigh in on the role of religion in politics

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The democrats' floor fight over whether to mention god in their party platform calls one Republican to quipped that -- work against god before they were for him.

The democratic platform that was initially approved had admitted that reference any reference to god.

When reporters highlighted that omission party leaders hastily -- to reinstate language from their 2008 platform.

It's a government should help Americans make the most of their god given potential.

-- -- didn't sit well with many delegates and that controversy begins the -- panel discussion.

And on the panel today you know -- host of the serious XM radio show.

The Catholic -- of which he is the Catholic.

And Marcia Siegel thinks she is the author gives our senior editor of -- magazine -- -- about.

OK before we get started I know -- will have seen this clip over and over again at LA mayor that the idea -- cosa.

Trying to pass this motion by two thirds vote by voice vote and it's not clear.

What the audience wants that -- it.

No matter requires -- two thirds vote in the affirmative.

All those delegates in favor say.

All those delegates opposed.

Say no.

-- -- In the opinion of that.

Let me do that again.

All of those delegates.

In favors -- I.

All those delegates opposed -- no.

Or.

I am.

I guess.

I'll do that one more time.

Those delegates and neighbors say -- All those delegates opposed say no.

In the opinion of the chair two thirds of voted in the affirmative the motion is -- not -- And don't -- farm has been amended is shown on the screen.

Okay here -- out of the Democratic Convention these emotions.

By Ted Strickland of packets for fun.

To add -- and -- Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and it is.

Pretty clear that there it is not clear that they don't have to -- that so.

A lot of attention has been -- -- -- and I mean.

Is it on awarded or white and -- what do you think about that is not talking to.

Us and Africa Ian this whole story line is that.

On the teleprompter which many have shown its he's going to say they're worth refinancing needs in cheers this -- has pants so it's a foregone conclusion.

And the second -- striking is the the events of inmates.

And I am not sure what the grievances about whether it's more about Jerusalem or whether or Arafat god -- clear because both motions are embarrassed about both know which -- -- support bright but it is striking to me that the units -- -- is why what is so.

Distasteful to so many at those delegates about either one of those two things don't quite understand that.

If -- huge Arab contingent I don't know there is -- huge atheists contended I don't know.

I'm not sure what's offensive to so many yeah tennis coming to that just a second that Britain.

But you know what you think about that anymore what was your reaction -- nothing but laughter I enjoy this win more than I've never enjoyed -- I've enjoyed I've never try to spend -- might want to quite frankly I don't think and -- more than it was one of the most unscripted moments for the convention because everything is really well Landon and will you know sort of -- -- -- but this was one of those.

What's going on here that they wanted it to be given -- -- to shore up to -- but it was so strange first of all.

If you're going to take god out of the platform -- but keep in mind this was not decrease.

This wasn't so we believe in god the father almighty well as anybody taking that personally.

But this is to sell to intentionally take out something like god given potential -- these -- this is not a great theological reflection that's being made.

If you're gonna take it out when you have to pay those consequences.

When you try it basically not only -- and backhand but as you pointed out ready.

So obviously say or all told -- -- that's the deal solo something you're all in favor we're gonna put right back get this guy had no choice but to say.

He was going to put this back in the platform.

Did the Democrats have a religion problem.

You know obviously they didn't do -- -- which was a good thing but everybody was very.

Well everywhere it was actually quite reverence when he was playing a lot it's a lot about heads in the of people praying with him there was one woman -- when he when he made a reference to life -- some of the things and about -- -- Romney and Ryan an excuse like.

I can't -- it was a hard thing there but we didn't -- Democrats haven't have a -- Yes actually don't start and a.

I got a but we're -- of -- when.

That night before they get changed it I mean -- -- the American atheist group I forget what it's called exactly came out with a statement you know freeze in the Democrats Ryan and I and I thought that was striking to.

On the fact that Democrats become become the that -- tent party.

And I think religion has become a problem for them and I think many do people are willing to speak cat now -- -- We don't want religion anything to do it isn't because there's so much religious diversity within the Democratic Party or is -- -- generally speaking.

They don't like the -- I think -- -- I mean watching.

A couple of -- outfits were so opposed to you -- in the -- second.

-- I think they.

There there was something indicating.

Made it teachers on Arab American or something like -- -- so maybe there -- an issue of the its combination of both that there are -- it.

Diversity of religion.

But I'm not I'm not sure what the problem is with god.

But it seems that the Republican party's central embrace this platform the convention will embrace -- and this could be a win Democratic Party saying OK well let's.

Separate myself -- go for different audience and then.

When a lot of people however -- -- Democrat of course do believe in god they're going to reflect consider and this doesn't sound right to us.

And -- you're trapped because the religion problem is.

You've got plenty of people -- Democratic Party including the president and vice president.

We talk about their Christian Fey absolutely insane but let's not include god but let's include god so it's very controversial whatever -- into at this point it would have been better off just keeping god.

Exactly where he always belong you know and I -- Just -- this -- pie -- -- -- the -- -- form and I was surprised about the statistics about you know who makes up.

The Republican Party who makes up the Democratic Party depending on the religious groups.

And the Republicans their largest group is why -- evangelical Protestants and a mix of 34%.

The next highest group is white mainline Protestants a mix of -- percent and the third highest group is the other.

Actually there has been sorry is white Catholics but -- -- very interesting change actually but without that now the Democrats there largest.

Religions -- group is the religiously.

Unaffiliated.

That's their largest group it's 24%.

There next highest group.

It is -- Other 18%.

Say you've got you don't get to religiously solid.

Which is 16%.

And then you get to -- -- mainline Protestants 14% you -- you don't get to an actual.

Stronger faith group -- -- got to find me get to the black Protestants which is a huge issues and you see there's a difference.

In the religion of both groups.

-- -- Yeah I I don't know why but let them.

That religious people seem to be -- -- to the Republican Party that is also an interesting statistic that I read today that.

Means in a recent pole under 50% of Americans believe that Obama is actually -- Christian.

Yeah and I just thought that was sort of telling also.

What that means exactly in terms of his base but.

Yeah I -- And it's it's it's it's an interesting it's an interesting observation and it -- probably more about that -- in the sixty days -- until the election because.

That's sort of a growing feeling usually by the Republicans have been very good about it -- on to something that there was something that the -- -- made thing going with it.

Has the you know we built it strategy as well.

That I think anti Perkins that is a great opportunity for the Republicans to really take something go with -- -- show the difference between today.

But I think this is one of those it's not and has been opportunist as much as it is being honest about it and saying.

You created this mess in the first place this is a problem that you have created by taking god out and then trying to bring back god back and and any -- a party tried to speak for god or avoid god you're going to get a lot of people in the population upset and annoyed by -- -- -- -- on the next topic because this is actually was very interesting how that we just.

Talking about the the problem of men and -- -- -- sorry -- you're kind of click here.

-- today I think I don't exactly.

You know you've been through here.

-- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah well the question is are our man really necessary.

One editorial I'm sorry about that I do you think his -- we at least we'd like you are necessary for this discussion.

-- editorial on a Christian news website is lasting York times and and the DNC saying they're waging a war on then.

It's based on an op Ed article in the times called men who need them.

Which is basically it's calling man's biological.

Contribution to conception as insignificant.

Compared to what -- the woman's role is so so apparently your reaction and because.

I wanna do you know people putting -- -- we're talking through her thank you Hillary actually equal -- my masculine -- that are here at.

Yeah it's very strange to hear something like that but in a way this could also be a problem of men who are not father's man who -- actually live up to the role of what a man woman relationship supposed to -- And so many -- have not fulfilled that responsibility in society.

That maybe some people think they'll -- technically really just don't do anything other than that act and we can find a way to barely.

Give them credit for that act of conception as well.

So I think this could be another problem -- when -- have not fulfill their responsibilities as men as fathers and husbands.

Some people might simply say let's see if they're really all that important are involved anyway when -- I don't think makes any sense a sense intellectually.

But maybe a reaction towards -- shown an ability sometimes to act as man.

-- you actually a kind of written on -- I think before about how societies that it is moving in this direction of saying.

Both bones sort of making me and gets second class citizen -- right yes picking up front and what you just said and I mean it's it's it's in a way it's them.

It's society's fault I mean we've allowed this to happen I mean he said it's okay for a limited you know took out of wedlock and and what is known links and I anymore and we have in a way.

-- men's second class citizens by not sort of standing up and saying men aren't important they're important to.

Not just to society into culture but to their children as you said and to their privacy.

I was just.

Watching talk given by Jennifer wrote that -- -- has been asked on your show.

And she was talking about the purpose of sex.

A -- the husband and wife and of bonding with the 22.

Their child.

And that's society's fault we let it go we said fathers don't really matter and they do and the studies now prove that they do.

Kind of studies yet there actually studies that showed that while for one the number one indicator that photo with you living in poverty is that there's -- -- house break.

And -- children and in.

Study if you study.

Shows that -- didn't fare best when they are raised by their biological mother and father I know that isn't always possible.

But best is -- -- they aren't they do fear at the past them.

And I think that sometimes it's tough to hear that because it sounds like in some way or insulting single mothers and I know.

I grew up with plenty of friends with only a mom and their lives -- never had a -- never met their fathers.

And lot of -- of my friends turned out well right.

And so -- that they almost say well whatever these studies are fine but -- insulting my mother.

When you say that and then they get the experience of saying I didn't turn out okay my mom was able to do everything right so I don't need a man in my life.

Because of their personal experience vs what studies and real experience to society -- He's our judgments and -- just facts and then.

That's damages and we don't -- saying let me.

That -- you know it's very who's you know and I thought -- -- more sometime because you know obviously the women make up of the bull goes -- underwritten schools and graduate schools now they are opening businesses small businesses.

And what is that we're meant what it will happen -- -- we know for -- thirty seconds -- -- -- But even -- the article said he we have another bank sperm and actually to populate the world for years and decades to come so that's very interesting kind of idea itself let's look at it and the only purpose -- -- it's just appeared on the panel find exactly to put a little opinion and activate -- more than thirty seconds at least here.

I I thank you very nicely really and my physical -- for being -- that -- panel today thank you very much for making an.

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