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I -- back kill bit of friends not 1111 years since the -- World Trade Center.
-- -- go down the Pentagon gets hit flight 93 goes down because he.
Heroic actions of those on board they would not be victims.
And the other one sadly did not know exactly would happen we didn't know -- Usually hijackers said remember prior.
You know they just want their demands met and -- use the past uses hostages little did they know.
They're using this as as weapons that we use in the airplanes as weapons.
Lieutenant colonel Lee Anthony -- served in the military is author of the operation dark court so very much involved in in overseas operations.
Colonel we were you an -- I was actually in now one of the defense intelligence agencies.
Clandestine buildings about a -- off the Pentagon.
And I was supposed to be in the Pentagon that morning meeting with the army intelligence congressional liaison.
About extending the retirement dates people like me special category and intelligence officers.
Guy named Bob Winchester.
Bob got stuck on the hill his office got hit by an airplane he would have been dead so what I -- mean that meeting so by the fact he gets slick on Capitol Hill -- I didn't go to the Pentagon.
And we ended up alive.
Based on the fact that we were in the right place wrong time.
I don't -- 2001 but right -- the most part we never debated -- -- to a push today to al-Qaeda never came off.
It was not a top issue even -- -- should have been because the embassy bomb because the Cole bombing in 2001.
Everything that's all the threats we know Jon Miller with the on camera.
Interviews talking about how America's gonna be -- target we know about the in intelligence chief of presence on August has said that in line determine detect here but I understand to almost immediately.
The President Bush figure why don't we we when we start some operations right against these guys in Afghanistan.
So there was things already under way and allies have -- been identified it will later be the northern alliance.
Right and it's one of the things that -- Two things remember and I hope juries remember first off we've unified the terrorists within 24 hours of the attack why because we already looking -- and we just didn't get focused I mean it was one of the failures of the four elevenths.
What information was their -- to not put it altogether.
Secondly were able we're ready to roll out and do these things is selling I worked on Able Danger was the basis for the operations plan.
Which was what was used in September October to go target these guys we already sort of -- these guys globally we knew this was a non conventional.
Non geographic threat that we had to address that's why we looked at mr.
global target that's why we are ready to roll when you think about it we -- very rapidly after these guys.
Right we -- -- come up with a reaction to the Cole bombing.
We still had right come up with a reaction right but it operation already been put into place to get this happening in one of the president's quotes was.
The south of these little pin pricks I just go get these guys right.
And and -- be his instincts were correct you have to understand there is a bureaucracy which was reluctant.
Because a political appointees who didn't want analyst -- job frankly you know they put a lot of money and people like like the seals like me.
My training -- six months just become qualified to do what I do that's that's a lot of money.
And yet half the time that people that's not the people have good instincts is -- politicians who don't -- -- wrong and -- which -- Do nothing -- do what's hard and that's what we have to continue to do -- in -- -- talk of withdrawing who we need to continue to do what's hard to protect the American people.
Now the Pakistani doctor that helped us kill bin Laden is in jail right now and is guy's horn or saying did that and being tortured or has been tortured yes okay.
They -- equator is saying and -- warning to the US.
The Pakistan is your worst enemy and and they are they -- are you worst enemy and we are basically -- in the theater.
What we've got to remember.
That the Pakistan -- will always act in her own interest -- -- I think with a lot of all the leaders fail to understand -- that said.
We have to with that understanding deal with them effectively which we haven't done.
There's a duality Brian within -- Pakistani government you have.
The ISI you have all these guys who have been dealing with -- kind network and I'm sorry despite the Pakistani denials yes the Haqqani Network is part of their intelligence system it's a proxy.
We've got to deal with that fact and we got to deal with it harshly when necessary break break I think there's political move afoot within the Pakistani government.
Did that they're starting to realize we're about to leave -- my goodness we stirred up all this trouble and we can't control it.
So I think there's a political ES in America we hate yeah we I'm speaking as we say that Pakistan -- -- the pakistanis have stirred all this trouble up.
And we may be the ones holding the bag and their afraid -- of what happened when -- left last time member.
One after the Soviets left Afghanistan they were left holding the bag and as for all -- these problems started.
We can't allow that to happen again we can't.
We cannot continue to do this counterinsurgency.
But we cannot divorce ourselves of the issues of that region.
So we don't happen with the standoff and then sealing the border and nothing changing in them acting out raises -- some innocent Pakistani soldiers were killed and -- never saw something so offensive we saw the six month stand off the cost us billions right.
What do you think is gonna change now.
Well what has to change is the fact that they have their own colleague bond problems because they have allow the safe havens to fester in the tribal area.
Now these these -- -- attacking them but they want to tell -- George of up Afghanistan I don't that's true and I think that they they are.
Frankly they are happy with President Karzai they don't like President -- I know he's such a great -- I know he's -- -- -- trustworthy and such as snappy Dresser -- I know.
But -- he is corrupt to the core and frankly that corruption they understand will be a destabilizing force in a post.
NATO Afghanistan so I don't know thing.
I don't they want to talk -- -- charged by the I know they don't want cars.
You have you're you're actually moving forward to tried it to help this happen not just report.
I've been working with congress very closely on this issue and and and yes frankly we've had senior level contact with the Pakistani embassy on this.
And and we -- very gratified by the fact that there is a dialogue now starting.
I think you're going to see over the next year a lot more work to try to understand each other's issues I think that's important here.
In the big picture -- 9/11 eleven years since the day.
We are very aware almost every American would -- social studies who was aware with the Soviets went through and they became Russia right.
They were not able to recover from that -- the left humiliated -- I think Rumsfeld never wanted this footprint on the ground we -- a 67000 troops there -- he knew the problem.
We can only do we don't want to own Afghanistan.
There's not much upside -- really did find some minerals lately.
And he just wanted to get rid of al-Qaeda and -- get out but politically you can't really say that do you sense that that's who they really felt -- the Bush Administration.
I think that was exactly right but they were being pushed by forces within their own within -- government to do this counterinsurgency the counterinsurgency the tipping point my book talks about it.
Where we made a decision and -- -- late 03 early 04 to try to help the Afghan people.
Project a new government to create mr.
-- owning democracy it was mistake.
I said then as I say now we should have been going after the terrorists where they were there at that point in time -- -- moved to Pakistan.
I believe we should be prosecuted that but because of certain policies by certain leaders within the Pentagon.
We decided on and we're not going to continue to chase the enemy we're going to be kinder and -- going to be because it would help topple Musharraf who was considered an ally for the most part of the Bush Administration I think that there were some real issues there regarding what to do next but with that said here we are years later having to -- wanna -- -- -- -- -- -- there was no Iraq.
Do you think the bush administration's policies because you -- there.
The bush administration's policy would have been let's make Afghanistan peaceful place so we were -- that anyway.
Let me be very clear I don't think there's a causal link between what happened -- Iraq and Afghanistan I know that goes against conventional -- some -- is true.
But what happened in Afghanistan as we decided to not.
Prosecute the enemy at the at the degree we should have when they went across the boy they went across -- look what we're doing now Brian we're doing we're doing now -- wish -- done that bird we're going into the safe havens in doing getting these guys.
That have been moderation have been done you know this sort of think we should be doing and aggressively you know three because now was creating additional -- political problems I think we a lot more political.
Bank bankable political clout what the tax man than we do now so I think that what we're doing now we should -- -- 03.
And now in a situation where not only we leaving and hold them we're leaving right she's.
Everybody I talked to this fights from the lowest level to the highest level said the phone we told -- we're leaving everything changed that day yes and now will allowing Karzai TB control of the prisons.
And we -- no he's trying to get guys -- -- give my all right.
Taliban leaders terrorists leaders at a get more to come back here and we might actually let him have these guys.
Recidivism has been a huge problem Brian.
And this is the deal we we've seen this every time we take these guys put him back out.
And frankly it's been part of the problem with the rules of engagement we capture these guys.
We we give them the benefit of the doubt -- -- come back and attack us I predict -- FOX & Friends this morning you sought within.
A year we're gonna have at least for the guys that were released just -- buy cars like attacking us again.
Yes so that's going to be the situation so we have situation right now in Afghanistan Pakistan -- relatively untenable.
Earlier the president United States -- 2014 I'm leaving getting cheers for that as a guy who fights these -- should he be getting cheers for the way he left Iraq.
And the way we're leaving Afghanistan.
Let me be very clear -- -- I wanna be careful not to say this is not -- think tank's position but this is my position this is my belief.
President Obama politicize the war the moment you announce the number of troops -- they're going in when your pulling them out you made this a political issue which is until by the military leadership.
I'm -- -- military leaders would say that but he present Obama missed the policy up.
And in fact that he stuck to it says he's leaving -- fourteen he is letting 2014 is embolden our enemies and an -- and created fear in the hearts of our our our friends our allies.
And that's the problem we should never do that you never tell your adversary that Dwight Eisenhower didn't phone up.
You know Adolf Hitler say hey by the way we're gonna invade Normandy on his debut look and force.
You know that people listening right now who are -- war fighters.
You know what we've been their teen years I'm glad he set a goal and I'm glad he's coming out I'm glad he set a deadline.
We need to set politically.
Neutral military objectives and you know we we have to have -- with -- using military we have to have military solutions which are viable.
I believe the anti terrorism strategy is a viable.
Strap a path policy and you set objectives to that -- never set right the you can not predict sufficiently the future to set up objectives like the president.
Do you Rhode operation dark court and you gave it to the Pentagon to recap right and -- right.
Twice and -- that's controversy is -- at this navy seal comes out right the sixty minutes and writes this he said I have a lawyer.
I didn't have to do that.
When we come back -- your take and I'll -- let you know that Leon Panetta.
Is going to essentially go after this guy's money and maybe after him.
Kill -- different.
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