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Hi welcome to Defcon three -- got a lot to cover today.
So be sure to join the live chat and Twitter send us your questions your comments and we'll get them into the conversation.
Today the US consulate and bank Gaza -- -- has been attacked in the United States ambassador in three other Americans killed.
We'll have a live report -- -- first.
There's growing tension between the United States and Israel over how to stop Iran from getting the bomb -- an issue we've known about for years.
But it's now coming to a head and I'm very honored to have with me the deputy speaker of Israel's -- that's Israel's parliament damaged -- nine -- -- -- they had world Likud.
That that it will be -- hits a delight to have you here also the author of about book a fascinating -- Israel the will to prevail.
Given that Israel has to prevail how you look at the situation in the Middle East today you know eighteen months ago.
The Arab Spring broke out throughout the region everyone thought this is great dictators are being replaced.
But here we are today where the United States embassy in -- in Cairo Egypt and then Gaza were both attacked on September 11.
An American lives were lost how does -- -- a -- of the Arab -- eighteen months later.
We're leaving a very tough neighborhood have -- we tried to apply the reasoning that you have viewed the United States than me that if he doesn't -- That's excellent with the main thing -- for the -- people.
Doing the first.
That the right to apply.
What he's -- he's going to be released in the date.
He doesn't go over to me when we unspeakable death supreme equity that we do -- nothing.
Good about it and if somebody thought that there will be -- pollution that would be emerging democracies.
You think that the -- -- -- we've -- to -- in Egypt and Libya but those people.
Endorsing political forces in Egypt -- -- the beating in the -- as the last taxpayers' money.
Big getting a lot of -- weapons that the comedy from the US you're looking at the beat Chile after the fifth why life -- so much hatred.
That's right what do you think they've built Obama look what they run with the patriots we cannot feed -- and he -- -- -- wait to see what happens do we have to laugh.
Yesterday you talked about Egypt I was in the White House -- 197 -- and part of Henry Kissinger staff when the first.
Peace agreements were negotiated between Egypt and Israel.
And those disengagement and also at peace agreements has what's been the kept the peace for forty years on Israel's southern border.
Been allowed all the countries in the region to flourish particularly Egypt now it looks like that relationship may be in question that.
My Mohammad Marcy president.
At the age of Muslim Brotherhood has said that they're going to reconsider that peace agreement with his fairways in violence breaking out.
In the Sinai Peninsula between Israel and Egypt.
What do what do you think is happening.
We always we always have we feel that -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- even more than most events in both countries and unfortunately.
-- don't speak with him and I we just to be out.
-- don't care about economic notables about the education.
The -- thank you love knowing you'll complain that the vision that a tournament.
When the other -- -- forces entering Egypt.
-- museum maybe -- the future.
Then they kill both patriot incitement and -- -- the fun -- so that backing either read but we'll be so.
Yesterday that it's only the beginning felt that would go off to Israel this second stage -- -- -- -- the United States that's only cannot.
I don't know.
Those people to get students in nuclear capability if you the problem of the American people when we -- to say we have to do something regarding Iran.
He did for the benefit of them make -- people.
We'll talk about the Muslim Brotherhood you mentioned Matt Muslim Brotherhood that's a very good organization Israel's had to deal with in Gaza.
Throughout the region the Muslim Brotherhood is now in the ascendancy in Egypt they have the presidency the parliament.
They're running very increasingly taking over in me in the media sector.
And potentially the judiciary is a Muslim Brotherhood as something that Israel and the and -- -- should fear.
Or is it some new Muslim Brotherhood that actually is as pro democracy and it's not a jihadist organizations.
Time will tell but definitely that -- put democracy we're -- that's what happened the in the Gaza.
When Hamas took over.
-- -- Hamas took over.
These non election if he got a three.
He's a Hamas who called little apple mother and there was peaceful accord that president over the but it can also think he never go -- -- because they know why.
You with a view to goal of their UW will be able to go back to Obama for those people I don't talking about democracy it is another thing fiddle but -- this we have.
Maybe it is.
Very very dangerous to allow them -- -- capability Dakota G.
And hopefully you -- -- -- -- country and we have to -- to do very carefully with goals.
Okay let me talk now switch gears and talk about the United States Israeli relationship.
President Netanyahu -- President Obama has basically said he's too busy to see prime minister Netanyahu and ever -- fill it up.
-- I've met a number of times where prime minister Netanyahu and I've always been struck with this is a man who understands.
He is his moment is -- destiny is really Israel's moment of survival.
And where Netanyahu said he'll go anywhere to meet President Obama what kind of a signal does that send when Obama says he's too busy to meet Netanyahu.
I think you that the -- they analyze the relationship and this is your book called Israel the will to prevail I think we're trying to show it to seconds ago and -- -- -- The relationship between prime minister Netanyahu and President Obama from the beginning and I would do and they reveal the thing that happened behind -- scenes and I'm gonna continue I am not surprised.
President Obama for the beginning.
-- that the principle which he tied to not to mediate between the Israelis and the Palestinians if I do think think -- usually -- them.
Anything that seemed the only thing that could they wouldn't go poking a hole with a crucial timing whether -- -- attack Iran now point view monthly Neil.
Evil defining what -- -- department has -- I think to give them steak I hope that the eventually they would be -- me think but it's a give us a signal that three two out.
My old selves we can account than anyone and we thought in the past wouldn't let that that -- -- we -- -- -- Iraq yes.
Medical and damaged by the UN -- the US.
Then you've made this the people who live to I don't think that's the quote when the US invaded Iraq I Iraq what will -- clear -- you -- do things -- I don't know.
We have to do what we have Google.
Maybe they knew people would appreciate it.
You think that they non military attacks against the Iranian nuclear program the cyber attacks dissent.
The assassinations has had set back Iran's nuclear weapons -- Unfortunately doesn't -- we spoke a lot of functions and we putting sanctions but do you stay here in the US that you give.
A grades -- -- for the resorts will fully enforce it and I look at the results.
When he died he's going to be a thief who bombed you believe many sites for nuclear capability.
Film we -- worried about it and I think.
The a point where you have to say enough is enough we spoke we tried we had too many declarations.
If you've got to take action.
And the issue of timing the to engage in conflict it -- never -- for us and only that -- we wanted to do something that was somebody watching -- telling -- wait.
What -- also the people that -- time so.
It would be never easy for us to find the right timing to attack Iraq a -- All right so you concluded.
Bob -- -- let Iran get the bomb diplomacy set of diplomacy and sanctions haven't work.
Iran we can't allow Iran to get the -- they are left with the notion that Israel probably has to act on it sounds.
And have military operation against Iraq.
I think then another option what is Arabs that the -- -- before there was a society.
Namely President Obama -- shall leave the -- We leave it with those affected to -- -- developed without worrying that he not be enough to put that felt that a red planet if you don't delete interviewed -- -- don't.
We -- apt I think to be that when you know looking at -- and out laughing.
-- could understand that nobody that should be facing what they're doing.
OK we have a number of -- questions are coming from our viewers send me questions to ask you as an interactive interview.
All for jury says mr.
-- Does Israel expect Iran to retaliate regardless of whether the United States -- Israel in an attack on -- -- different time.
Unfortunately we think it would be retaliation not only fooling around.
Who do donation form that he Obama.
In this former Lebanon in the northern part of the credit that would be retaliation be satisfying for you got up for the Hamas include both Hamas and -- -- -- Getting funds mrs.
Former -- -- that's retaliation against Israel -- every retaliation against the United States and if so what kind.
I don't know nobody can it.
I think that they renewed focus or -- fourth against Cleveland and who would vote would like to open another front with that.
The united did for America now the difference America and the difference toll to fight with the event and to fight -- -- -- I think -- -- -- -- We have a whale that over the limited capability.
But that we are capable to be felt so.
OK well thank you very much for taking the time out of your very busy schedule to talk to us this is Danny demand.
Leader of the can asset -- author of the book Israel the world to prevail thank you so thank you very much okay thanks.
Okay now an angry mob has just gone on -- -- spring and Rampage against US consulate in Ben -- Libya.
Four Americans have been killed include in the United States ambassador to Libya a man who in fact.
Helped lead -- the Libyan war and the independence of the Libyan people and the overthrow.
-- -- Now violence is also erupted at the same time within hours at the United States embassy in Cairo Egypt.
He's -- -- were apparently triggered by an independent film but nobody's seen but was seen as ridiculing the profit.
-- Fox News senior foreign affairs correspondent great power products covering the story from London Greg with the latest.
Hey Casey it's a complex story and it's been building in detail as the day has progressed.
First let's talk about those killed in this tragic event in Benghazi that's in the eastern side of Libya.
Those killed include the former.
Ambassador from the United States to Olivia Cris Stevens.
And information officer for the name Sean Smith as well as.
Two other Americans possibly security.
Your identity still not being revealed that -- family still have to be notified there were killed at or around the US consulate in there and Ben Ghazi.
-- was a career diplomat well regarded in the region.
The kind diplomat that we meet as we move around the region quite frequently.
Secretary of state Clinton called said that he was committed to advancing America's values and interest now.
-- what was behind.
This is a result of a very complex attack by Islamist -- this consulate they were using KT RPG's rockets.
Machine guns you'll have -- the the of the the consulate burned down.
Despite some US and Libyan forces are reacting against that.
The ambassador was killed apparently fleeing in a vehicle.
Libyan officials have apologized and -- said that they will try to find who was responsible.
It was initially thought to be triggered.
By that film that the US made.
And -- Muslim film of this was made in the US but now it's thought to be it may be a little bit more than that.
We saw a recording this past week by the head of al-Qaeda Ayman Al zawahiri admitting to the US killing of another al-Qaeda a figure -- and also calling for action and -- voters thought -- that and al-Qaeda linked group.
Inside Libya might have been responsible for this killing in fact using a little -- the cover of this protest about this about this film as as a way to move -- but of course as you noted too that has followed the the basically an assault on the US embassy in Cairo just a few hours before yesterday and we saw the US flag being pulled down at the US embassy.
And we saw a Pei flag being unfurled a black flag with -- Arabic writing associated with the -- Islam minister groups.
And that in fact it was.
Is part of the reaction to this film for sure.
We've talked to the folks there at -- at the -- US embassy.
In Cairo they say business ties back attitude as usual today but a lot more security plumber security at a lot of embassies.
All across the region there was 01 protestor for example in front of the US embassy in Tunisia itself.
A complex picture but may be.
More to it than we initially thought and perhaps no coincidence at all.
Is all happening in the -- that is the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks into.
Thanks very much straight talk -- London we're gonna take a quick break now and then come back and talk about the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan and man.
Finish up with talking to a man who's been -- -- in underground.
In Syria for the last several months take a pregnancy and second.
Hi welcome back to death country out I've got -- -- from Washington right now Jeffrey -- are.
And he's a senior research analyst for the institute for the study of war and he's an expert on Afghanistan and Pakistan thank you so much for joining us yet again -- Now you welcome happy to be here yeah I wanted to ask you now where we're gonna last week we've seen these State -- designating that Haqqani Network it's -- Taliban network.
Designating them as a terrorist organization.
As a sort of an initial step potentially -- data find their close allies the Pakistani government.
What do you make of all.
-- Well for one thing it's it's long overdue this is an action and we should take a long time ago.
We didn't for diplomatic reasons but I think you know luckily were at the point now we say okay enough is enough.
You know how many times is good -- attack US Afghan and international forces.
You know by the way -- same group that maintains very close ties to al-Qaeda and their affiliates and so.
Haqqani Network is a major concern and you know what the reason why FTO works with this group is because they they really operate a global financial enterprise.
And this designation paves the way for for targeted action against that that economic enterprise.
In addition to increased action on it kinetic work counterterrorism.
Footprint as well.
What you make -- Pakistan and other reports.
-- doctor afridi he was the Doctor Who helped us.
In the hunt for bin Laden for the pakistanis have now thrown in jail basically for the rest of his life.
He's said that he was tortured and that the feeling within Pakistan the Pakistan government and security agencies.
Is at the United States is enemy public enemy number one better that Pakistan's greatest enemy is the United States.
Pakistan has for us to be our ally on this war and terror and that we were giving them an enormous amount of military and economic assistance to help us.
Fight the Taliban.
Right you know what's going on there.
Yeah I mean when it comes Afghanistan the interest of US and the Pakistani government security service fundamentally diverge.
You know that if oxides and have.
Allegedly backed groups like the Taliban and the haqqani network for the past thirty years and they show no signs of stopping because.
It really is is represents the Pakistani interest in Afghanistan to back these groups.
You know it and and I think there's no question that there are elements within -- within pockets on both the government and security services that that are anti western anti US.
You know these sentiments run high in Iran -- in the military as well so.
While we do sometimes cooperate on certain things like going after some elements of al-Qaeda.
For the most part our interest fundamentally diverge and no money US funding is going to change that.
-- for a reason this show went out I was with General McChrystal Stanley McChrystal might know you know who had been.
I US commander persons and an Iraq command in Afghanistan and he said that in Afghanistan we always think of the Taliban.
Consider a lot of Taliban's there are many groups and that we could actually potentially sit down and negotiate the one after another.
Buy them off and that would be a solution.
To the Afghan war what do you think.
Well I think it's a little bit more complicated than that when you really Parse out the distinction now of course the Taliban you know -- as an umbrella organization there are elements will probably a little bit more moderate and may be willing to talk and some have shown interest in that but.
At the same time -- these hard core extremist wings like their economies like elements of the Taliban down in the south who.
Are not -- to negotiation and our only interest in fighting.
And it's the view of both myself and and a variety of military commanders that that these groups are implacable that you can't talk to them and that -- way to defeat him.
Is by killing and capturing them we're putting pressure on their sponsors to stop sponsoring them minute and I you know unfortunately I think -- sponsor this category you know we've tried.
That the US government State Department has tried to reach out to them in the past.
And response that we typically see is you know 2.4 hour siege of the US embassy.
And I sat headquarters so this is not a group -- KT that I think that we're gonna be looking to talk to.
In the future and that's one reason why -- State Department went ahead with that TO designation.
Okay and -- as you know this is an interactive show so I've got questions coming in from our viewers who want me to ask you.
One of our viewers -- are their other groups in Pakistan other terrorist groups and as long as Pakistan continues to support the -- -- is another terrorist groups.
Is there are really a way that we can prevails and be successful in Afghanistan.
Well you know there's no question that with the troop draw down with the cross border sanctuary and the ease at which these groups can move across the border it's certainly a difficult task I think.
The way that everybody has sort of settled on this thing going forward is empowering the Afghan security forces to stand up and take responsibility for their own their own country.
Got a problem with that -- is is at one -- -- the pace at which were asked them to do it.
And the second is is the fact that what we've struggled dealing with these groups for many many years and so the notion that the Afghans are gonna simply below step -- And take on this role.
Is dubious and so I I think clearly there's a lot more work that needs be done from US and international forces in Afghanistan but also.
Something that needs to happen on the other side of the border is well -- to crack down on these sanctuaries or.
Pressure the pakistanis through economic and other means to see support for these groups but I think until that happens I do think it is going to be very difficult.
OK or Geoffrey address of Geoffrey address there from the institute.
For the study of -- thanks for joining us once again.
Thanks TT -- a quick break and then come back and talk about Syria yet another house fundamentally it's.
Hi welcome to -- country -- you have any last minute questions or comments you want to make resent him right now to the live chat.
We're demand Twitter -- right now as -- -- ball he's a Middle East expert he's lived in the Middle East he's written books about the Middle East.
He's a former foreign editor press -- magazine now we've all watched the images and Syria for the last year.
Over 200000 refugees 20000.
Men women and children slaughtered.
The killing continues.
And yeah -- Arnold ball.
You say that in fact Syria is the most promising secular country and -- is you better explain yourself.
-- -- -- Saddam.
It's well worth looking into this I mean he.
Did slaughters and terrible.
It looks like it is a situation complete caps now.
But before this began about sixteen months ago and before that for decades maybe longer.
I Syria really was a remarkably secular country especially by -- -- standards.
And -- in many ways they've been the most modern.
Our country in the Arab world so.
-- terrible events of the last.
Year and a half are something that in my opinion Syria can recover from roads -- be quickly if we don't allow this stalemate to go on forever.
Are -- similar says that there's so many different -- -- tribal and ethnic and sectarian groups in Syria fighting.
Now united to fight against.
An outside lab once a -- -- and they take those same guns and turn the money each other and it ends up being much more life.
Like at eleven -- was in the 1980s where every group every neighborhood is firing on every other neighborhood why you think it won't be that one.
I don't think fit to Syria has that in its in its history and in its culture the various groups in Syria.
Especially by regional standards -- -- together very successfully for.
Much that's -- generations.
Lebanon is definitely where we don't want to end up I think one thing to.
Remember in any post that side.
Arrangement is is to avoid.
You Lebanese dispensation that guarantees a certain amount of power.
Two each group in you know in in in very arranged ways I I think it's Syrians have that opportunity to participate in it genuinely.
Open political system.
You get to their -- anywhere around gather you know how do you get there with some of the groups in Syria have -- Well we're not getting the assistance from the west from NATO from the United States bracket -- what we want it from Turkey the only groups that are harming us and giving us money and aid.
And military equipment.
Are -- radical jihadist groups of money coming out of Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries and so will take the guns wherever we can find them.
Do you think in the end the Victor in the Syrian civil war ends up being.
You know jihadist -- -- -- I think as you stayed in these revolutionaries -- -- -- claim and maybe a little less often actually do this this.
That -- take the guns where they can find them they need them but that's really opportunism.
In my opinion that's not.
Since you're embracing the ideology -- al-Qaeda they get their gun smoke at which they don't in general you.
-- any time -- -- -- shows up in Syria.
However desperate Syrians are for those weapons and that money they end up getting kicked out what they -- to -- -- -- what al-Qaeda has a salad something so loads them it really never.
Certainly not the place that Syria that starts from -- much more advanced base than say Anbar Province in Iraq.
So -- so that's just opportunism.
In my opinion but it does raise it.
The big question about you know the peace right now I -- western interests -- Losing the war.
In the sense that the war will continue for a long time and destroy that decent secular basis of the country today I not have my advantage -- -- the peace addictive if if we continue to allow these guys to.
Try to get foot holes which again and they've been very very unsuccessful -- OK well let me tell you sadness or bigger cars one of our viewers.
Britain and don't you think that by imposing.
By uprooting Middle East dictatorships whether it's in Libya.
Whether it's in Egypt whether it's in Syria that what you get then.
Are even more dangerous Islamic groups and the capital given this is Egypt that we announcing through the ballot -- -- the Muslim Brotherhood.
A group that talks about the extermination of the State of Israel at least in this official propaganda is now running things in Egypt and you've seen just today where.
Who knows who these people are bad -- one very I think credible report says that these are al-Qaeda groups out of Ben Ghazi had just attacked the American Embassy.
Sure well you know in Egypt.
Vis the Muslim brother it it can also.
He understood is emerging as a bull -- against some of these -- leftist groups that go.
You've been farther there are much less strong in Syria.
So I think that's much less of a problem but in any case what we know from.
Absolute certain is that nothing can be worse than the continuation.
Of the Assad regime I don't dispute ethically it is ethically this.
They know the slaughter and it is just indefensible but in terms of real politics nothing's going to be worse for American interest.
Possibly be worse.
Then having Iran is number one -- only friends other than has booked in the region.
Russia's only friend in the region an avowed Americans vote for years and years with a lot of American blood on his hands from that.
It is backing of the insurgency in Iraq.
Certain -- these outcomes is going to be anything.
Anything like this -- as a continuation.
Side and so each of these countries pretty different we have to remember them to -- them that way.
OK we have a one of our viewers is a straight man that last -- ask you about your insights into how a post civil war period would look like.
In Syria and what role would Turkey happened that.
-- -- -- Already playing really important role it's the only.
Country that's really come out in favor and support real support the revolution.
Did the do you big game immediately after defended Paula yes aberration.
Is going to be tough -- fit at the high level of the opposition is very sort of revolution is very.
To -- arguments capacities that.
You know in Iraq how this played -- is after.
Elections very soon -- less than two years after the American.
Vis Syria the Iraqi People that it started to find.
-- a democratic solution and there are and I.
Think Syrians are perfectly capable of figuring this out.
Without our having to push them in any one direction.
If somebody asked -- very quickly test house question ancestor in -- Well I think it is certainly envision is out of the question -- troops on the ground I think it.
It one of the do great arguments for Syrian intervention is how little.
It would take.
To make a real difference this -- the military assistance military assistance -- for example.
Did tactical superiority of Assad regime is is easily addressed -- that big just a few hundred.
RPG's missiles and so on I mean it's remarkable how.
Narrow his tactical advantages.
OK well thank you very much -- a report right from the region are very few of westerners certainly very few journalists and Syria right now and we appreciate you taking time to come talk to us for our whole ball right after you come back from Syrian.
Thank you -- thanks a lot.
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