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Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura talks with Alan about the 2012 presidential race and his own potential run for the White House in 2016.
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Company normally doesn't show on the bombs going right George calls let's deaths we have a live in -- video person in the studio so before we.
Yet -- -- to this Jesse Ventura.
I -- Jessica demeanor -- -- -- deserves derivative your book is Democrats and rip blood Lincoln's.
They learned to say that without -- -- off -- -- no more gangs in government.
You've had -- and I think it's now paperback.
That are I don't know it's still hard cover killer we -- -- just on two of them because they released it to.
Earlier this year with China holds virtually all book companies want to give out their -- -- -- fall book it's a political book relaxing during the election you are gonna do another.
Probable tour you're doing the book -- -- in the New York area or definitely not but you don't fly anymore so you had that -- took the train from Minnesota the elevator to -- and a -- -- -- you know I don't know I refuse to fly because saw.
I'm tired of being treated like a criminal and it reports I have -- my body.
So when I passed through the metal detector I could go from -- it's gonna go off -- a special and are subject to be either to the X ray machine of the sexual assault.
And I actually -- to TSE in Homeland Security under my fourth amendment rights.
Yeah I spent 20000 dollars to go to court and the judge to rule it out and should she give -- jurisdiction halted a federal judge.
Not have jurisdiction over constitutional -- would it take you to get to get -- play.
Nothing I will never fly again commercially ever.
Even if it is a change -- policies serve flawlessly and let me get on the plane with don't treat me like a criminal and I well you have a home in Mexico -- -- drive 3000 miles I had myself -- -- food on their anyway.
There's sort of press said that to me when -- and I won't fly again.
One of a cocky -- should Pol -- you can get to -- in Mexico.
I should the same way have gotten their the last six years in a row I draw life I don't I don't yeah I don't -- the Minnesota -- -- -- Yeah I do now occasionally unit when you're governor well I cut him off with about a year to go after the attack our children when they attacked my children quit talking to them so let's let's talk about you you don't really involved -- -- the heart of Democrats and Republicans -- you don't think it matters whether Obama's electoral honestly not a good.
There's a make -- -- of different no because you're gonna get the same government regardless I mean.
Let's go back to George Bush might call made the USA today the only difference I see between the Bush Administration in the Obama administration is the color of the president's game.
So.
It -- -- but you really don't think that it may mean Romney -- want to cut taxes for the rich.
He wants to he's -- much over warm oil than Obama well let's -- or Hollywood and Medicare to a myriad government -- now.
Obama okayed to -- a -- cutting of taxes for the rich.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We are in combat and how we got their mercenaries over -- combat troops ago but the mercenaries -- -- the private contractor sectors of the out washing that's what we do now.
We now because we don't have a draft we have mercenaries who fight for us -- mercenaries get paid huge amounts of money.
So using private armies of their -- yeah.
Hired armies yes they're they're building rebuilding the spending -- taxpayer don't building schools and and hospitals and why should we be doing -- I agree with -- we destroyed country than we rebuild -- rebuild it and yet the same people resents spending that money here to build infrastructure.
Yeah exactly Afghanistan Obama's it will -- up -- twenty -- I hope Schobel will still have private contractors there but -- is -- war with the ran.
He's been used -- -- -- -- -- rattling sabers about Iran.
Making nice with Netanyahu would -- to go to war over the -- any minute it's gonna happen.
But you're Halliburton while it'll happen even if Obama -- and what would happen.
Because sovereign will happen there will be a false flag operation that will force us to go in -- -- will do something.
And then will sell that whether Iran really doesn't or not we won't know.
But they'll tell us they did so you think Obama wants ordering.
A law I don't think it's his choice resources.
Because we're not run by our golfer who's running corporations.
With the Supreme Court decision were fascists now.
Because the Citizens United is because they now should.
Corporation's -- the same rights as individuals.
And Mondays free speech.
Look at this scenario -- China could elect our next president.
Because of the money yeah.
Because all they'd have to do was form a corporation.
Pumped billions of dollars in for a candidate.
And get that candidate elected because.
The bad thing about it is.
They don't even have to declare where the money comes from but who makes the decision to go to war certainly the corporation -- -- make a decision a person has to make a decision.
We have to start well who owns a -- who owns the Democrats and Republicans are corporations do.
Go to the two conventions you'll see the same while I was there is one of them with suitcases full of money pay -- off both sides Allen.
They've created a system that is based completely upon bribery you're supporting Gary Johnson yeah sort of candidate the up you don't think you can win.
Certainly I don't think -- Kim but then again they didn't think I could either right but I can tell it here's the deal though.
He can't win to stay warm alarm in the debates always -- -- they tell -- in the private sector that competition is good right.
Progress yet in the public sector competition is no good we have not heard a third voice in a presidential debate now for twenty years rushed for a 92 and that's why I'm -- you have to get exactly 70% exactly took it away and -- -- attractive he wouldn't have dropped out he might have been on president.
I don't your surroundings and what's leading when he dropped out in the polls.
But he he was considered a little too -- thinking he all the media made -- -- -- always do that as a third party candidate the media is part of it do that it was this in the Christian who holds the media the same corporations.
So do you think the media wants to be president this doesn't matter.
You'll both of them accusing Obama's gonna -- I don't know I don't care.
-- -- -- You really think it makes that if I go see a major difference between these two parties I don't think -- you don't think today's Republican Party to move -- to the right.
You know and and -- -- -- you're an independent you know some but that this -- move farther -- was when you're governor of Minnesota.
There's a big distinction between that -- the Democrats aren't.
Really yeah.
And economics.
And a whole range of issues and health care the affordable health care act that you interact.
It's pro wrestling.
In front of you limit the people in addressing is not real.
No for the absolutely not a whole world is shattered to show melted submitted that years ago so we could get the -- off -- back.
But the point -- years.
I taught at Harvard one of my classes at Harvard -- -- pro wrestling prepares you for politics.
And the pointy ears it's just like pro wrestling.
In front of you.
And in front of all the people that are adversaries.
Behind the scenes they're all working together for as Ralph Nader called that the two party dictatorship Obama and Romney get in the back room and can laugh it off laugh at that liquid but went over and everybody no no no no they don't do your -- out just like you wouldn't dare let me and hold him.
-- same wrong.
-- you'd laugh about it.
Sure I would like we've got about we've got to be adversaries in front of the public less a Tug of I would just eventually -- to some of the issues are facing -- -- agency venture his latest book Democrats -- red blood applicants.
No more -- in government and -- Jesse Ventura is our guest he is the former governor of Minnesota.
He's now written -- Democrats and Republicans Republicans.
Know -- gangs in government.
Thanks had a career in broadcasting career professional wrestling.
And I just you're right here we're here for now though oil it's -- 56 New York Times best seller ride you don't run for up as a candidate.
I made this statement.
On this tour I said in two dollars and or 2016.
-- -- grass roots thing happens.
Altar and maybe get me ballot access in all fifty states and if they can guarantee me LB in the debates.
I will -- in the debates abuse you gotta get 6% in the polls and at the end of fifteen or 15% ya I was in doubt unfair and an excellent primary 6% -- up in Minnesota when I ran for governor I had only 10% of the primary.
Seven weeks later I was the governor because they allowed me to debate night.
-- -- reached a fifteen threshold got no reason to twenty but -- I guess so they don't get that weight who controls the debates the Democrats and the Republicans particularly women -- been authenticated -- took it away because -- scared the crap tomorrow right that's so I took it away.
Clinton and dole made a deal and nine.
Dole did not want a parole in the debates in -- extras who would rolled from his conservative base.
Clinton didn't want to breach at all because she was so far -- debates could only bring him out.
-- they cut a deal to eliminate parole.
Clinton got to state when the debates would be and how many normally there's three presidential.
96 there was only two and they were held the same night -- the World Series by design.
That nobody -- -- that's exact we're at 8774.
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-- Jesse -- you worked for the McMahon Linda McMahon running for senate.
In and in Connecticut but you -- two week assignment as a figure you'll not vote for either Republican -- never know enough for government I will be -- like -- you might like you're done personally once they join -- -- may lose my folder and by the way.
They are like the street games because the crips.
Their colors are blue what's a blue state that's a democratic state the -- naturally their colors red what's -- red state Republican state you -- voter fraud is happening.
-- you know believed to red Herring I believe I agree with -- total -- -- Republicans trying to make believe that the other -- -- -- -- -- Democrats from -- is much voter fraud is there are people getting hit by lightning.
It's right.
And you can if you agree that it trillion efforts get people who might vote that absolutely.
Well not even democratic issues to alienate more people and people we can't afford to bought by a licensed with the pitcher to have those are mostly Democrats people -- vote Democrat I'll -- the red states -- generally speaking -- that's the case but.
Voter fraud is a complete red -- -- The amount of folder fraud couldn't sway one election I'll tell you what they need to do if you want an honest elections.
Get rid of electronic voting machines -- paper ballots yes electronic voting machines can be hacked into like any other computers.
Let me put it to you this way Alan would you go to an -- -- -- didn't give you received.
I get your point well electronic voting machine -- you -- Barack Obama.
You have no way of knowing if you got your vote -- -- go to it could go to Mitt Romney if somebody's hacked into the machine.
But they knew what paddy you know that someone won't hack into in the paper ballot -- Well because it's simple you command to help them.
There's no way you can do recount with a limited counterterrorism issues that people counting -- the media now with the voting machine does all you get some number like -- adding machine you don't -- an individual ballot did you say sold -- got 4000 volts sold sold -- two dollars it's amazing to me that it all these years of study uniformly and voting or over across -- -- -- the old -- -- -- -- dot.
You've been doing -- since first grade if you're not capable of taking a pencil.
And filling and -- -- -- shouldn't be voting anyway the -- some issues -- the economy that they believe and everybody's saying that with this election's about you agree with.
Probably a case of what would you do what we're Jesse venture into about the economy right what would you do about.
The implosion we had in 2008 at which crystal climbing -- -- and jobs is still a big issue the while what I do for the economy.
Well.
I would cut down government spending drastically.
I would close all of our foreign military basis and shut them down -- We're in a 160 some countries were an empire.
And I would bring all our men and women home back to the United States.
Our military so technically advanced today.
Why do we need six or eight bases in Japan six or eight bases in Germany section -- basis -- Korea.
If I'm right aren't those who have and those war's been over for seven years and -- the money would say Michael Gary Johnston agreed to them but I but he cut everything that 47.
I would also cut the defense spending.
She's we spend more in defense of this -- in the top fourteen other countries do combined.
And a -- absurd.
If we try being nice shirt and use good foreign policy.
Maybe everyone would need -- so bad we wouldn't need all that sort of drug Obama does every -- gets accused of apologizing to other countries.
Well I going on about somebody who doesn't know I'm telling -- -- -- -- but you know when I was in Mexico.
You know we see people need to understand I live out of the country -- bought four -- five months out of the year.
And people need to see the United States from the outside looking in rather than the inside looking out.
You know what the popular T shirt was a number usually go in Mexico all the young people wearing.
It was a pitcher Jorge portion on the top of said weapon of mass destruction.
Let's go to -- that really how we want to be portrayed worldwide.
-- -- Sele said he would just events.
About.
All -- thank you don't have and don't go ahead.
Yes -- Jesse.
I'm 62 years old I'm a truck driver and I've been waiting my entire life.
Or somebody to occupy the White House it is the the commanders to -- Been waiting to put it admirals admirable that the general's -- general.
Instead I keep getting.
Portrait of Peewee Herman as opposed to -- Colin Powell.
Is -- and completely forgotten -- he what it's.
What a commander in chief it is there's -- -- It is -- and only have a military persons present.
Not so that's not what I'm -- and we have 300 million people in this country.
And and I didn't I would I was kind of mine so names as somebody -- was that everybody was closely familiar with.
-- in the military academies they teach the young cadets.
Commanding presence or you're walking in with -- compliments it -- it didn't deal probably mentioned -- -- -- and I'm daughter.
Mr.
and under.
Today and unlike our current choices right.
Well there's got to be out -- 300 million people there should be some some.
I'd I'd you know a lot more comfortable -- we had somebody -- who Wikipedia.
Presidential.
Colin Powell.
Well well wanna vote -- a person like that sitting right next Alan Colmes right.
That would have -- do you think you're the co -- that you're fit that category.
But -- you want to be president.
I don't fake -- when.
Necessarily want to Iraq at this time because the president's really an oxy moron.
It stands for he stands for freedom but he himself has now and and the most difficult thing for me would be -- that you and amity freedom you don't have any freedom -- live in a bubble yeah you don't want them and that's the difficult thing about it.
But if they ticked me off bad enough like I said if they could give me.
If they -- get me ballot access in all fifty states and guarantee me the debates I might do it but you know I was highly unlikely that a third party anytime soon and I've talked in third -- -- -- -- and Jesse Ventura individual or someone who's not a Republican or Democrat it's very unlikely that that person whoever it is.
-- just -- to do it.
I did it before I can do it again you think you you have a a pathway to present the president you have to get in the debates yup.
-- debate I always say if I can debate in my can be them.
But how likely -- scenarios that.
Well how likely scenario was an element.
Pro former pro wrestling would be skip Humphrey the biggest game of politics in bigger numbers street -- -- -- -- Humphrey.
And beat Norm Coleman the mayor of Saint Paul I didn't.
Yeah okay and I and I only raced 300000 dollars imagine this -- I made more money doing their job than what -- spent to get it you tell me any elected official in fifty years that can make that claim and if you -- a someone who's not a Republican Democrat became president you still have to work with the congress.
Composed mostly Democrats -- -- unfortunately.
The best form of government would be benevolent dictator.
-- -- -- -- you tell bush said no but I tell you you have to be benevolent old -- said dictator he didn't say but now belated visit benevolent and I said benevolent dictator and you'd have to put term limits.
Yeah but she -- you could get anything done if you needed to bridge built the order it.
But you know a graduate of the work like that why -- understand that but that would be the perfect form of government to stab a benevolent again benevolent dictator a I -- report term limit she could only be benevolent dictator eight years.
I always appreciate your being here the the new book is that Democrats and Republican every I it's hard to say that they've redone less available and -- -- -- -- we -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- like -- -- -- -- in practice while you're not alone -- -- -- I think -- no -- -- -- government.
Jesse venture I appreciate seeing -- -- thank you very much for afraid zealots always a pleasure and maybe I'll surprise June 26 -- you never know when you imagine me in the Oval Office an interesting thought.
