Time to cut US aid to Mideast?
Anti-American protests spread
- Duration 8:34
- Date Sep 22, 2012
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Anti American protests still erupting in Pakistan this despite the US spending 70000.
Dollars they're on an ad.
Once again denouncing that anti Islamic film.
The money doesn't end there secretary of state Hillary Clinton urging lawmakers to -- billions in US aid flowing to the region.
This fight images like these is -- right.
-- is -- time to cut him off.
Hi everybody I'm David has been -- -- -- -- on fox let's go and focus wit mr.
Steve Forbes was most recently author of a great new book called freedom of manifesto this is a must read this election season here's -- book.
Also here is Rick on its job -- Elizabeth MacDonald are rich -- guard and Victoria barracks and Steve is it time to cut him off.
Yes a cut off for partial caught off -- -- except Libya.
But -- Egypt and other countries if he can't protect embassies which are foreign soil then you shouldn't be get money free money for months.
That's very basic you don't do your part we're not gonna do our part.
Rick -- it is our money.
We should be able to decide whether or not we're gonna give it to somebody and if they can't.
Protect our embassy and treat us with a sort of decency that we deserve shouldn't we kind of off.
But it is our money but that isn't the issue the issue is this you can't make foreign policy in reaction to short term mean that's what's happening there is awful.
We all know it's awful.
And yes I'll be the first to agree that those government should have done a much better job.
At protecting our embassies but we have to look -- for our foreign policy interest and it does -- absolutely no good to have this quick recall reaction.
And start cutting a -- and make our own -- GMAC we have done it before have we not yet we've done it with for example North Korea South Africa we've done and also.
Cutting off the west bank and and the Gaza Strip in 2006.
We've done it with Honduras in 2009.
And also with the Sudan I think the Muslim Brotherhood is a long term event.
And possible al-Qaeda influences on these individuals we don't know if our tax money is going toward our enemies and those enemies are killing our Americans overseas.
Intelligence officials are telling me that they would support actually coming off Pakistan as well and the cheapest way the best way to do it is getting US companies to stop doing business with countries like Pakistan.
That is the best way to cut off foreign -- as well -- so Victoria if there's any possibility in the won't.
-- that some of this money is actually going to terrorists.
-- -- they -- killing our ambassadors.
Should we just cut it off is better be safe than sorry.
Look I think there's no doubt that some of this money is going to parents that this money is not track there's no accountability and chlorinated the tragedy.
But that's not a reason to stop spending we need to spread democracy in the Middle East if you if you pull back entirely now and cut off these billions -- if you're gonna see the real rise of al-Qaeda.
And that would be a threat to our national security so don't cut -- -- But make it much more conditional instead of just taking.
Week commitments from these these government leaders let's really hold them accountable.
While that is specifically John Tammy what senator -- Paula saying he says first we must demand accountability.
Before we give those billions to Pakistan in Egypt and the rest of them.
What think of course we're we're not the demand accountability in the problem here is there's a negative correlation between foreign aid and economic growth there's no evidence that it works.
And we think about trying to spread democracy in the Middle East I think histories and eventually show that democracy led to tyranny there.
I think the biggest thing about foreign -- -- these countries is there's no evidence the once we handed over to them that they like us more I think what.
This past week shows is that they like -- even less when we hand them over money.
Rich and that's a great point of fact is is that what they respect over there -- strength.
What they respect over there is backbone what they don't respect is inconsistency.
And weakness and isn't a lot of this money giving perceived as such.
Well that's the problem luck.
I look at this like the Cold War I think this is gonna take another -- years to resolve in the Middle East it's a generational problem.
And I think we'll win and I agree with the Victoria that we have to be there.
Really the argument were happening is it instead of having.
You know Reagan and cap Weinberger in there we got Obama and Secretary Clinton who are vacillating in week.
I think even Steve would support more foreign -- if we had.
A Reagan in a cap Weinberger in there instead of the current -- out.
But let's think what's great about Hollywood what Reagan and cap Weinberger did specifically Steve because you -- there are your part of the Reagan administration one point what they were doing was funding.
Genuine Democrats when they were -- putting money and in the old Soviet Union places like that they -- They sought out people that shared our ideals about the Muslim Brotherhood there.
You know sometimes there's a democracy that leads to good things and sometimes it leads to bad things we should only be -- people who share our interest right.
Well I think the key thing what happened in what we used to called Eastern Europe now he's from Central Europe.
Especially -- -- in Poland was not massive amounts of aid to existing government but grinding help collective.
Fax machines -- to solidarity help undermine the regime and that's a very relatively small amount of money.
So I wouldn't call that farming quote part of our defense budget and number Ronald Reagan -- work.
But giving money to government bureaucracies.
Just stands up -- -- a corrupt.
-- handymax solidarity.
Which was the union movement and eventually their leader became president -- Think that's share they shared our interest if some of -- -- going to the Muslim brother -- -- even if they're they're winning some of these elections.
But they don't share our interest do they.
No they don't share interest but I would -- possibly the Arab street does because look.
There's such high unemployment over there those governments rely on heavy social spending by keeping oil prices high.
And about over a hundred dollars a barrel so -- got a vested interest to do.
More social government spending there.
They -- the point is a tedious orgy of politically correct thinking in this White House has got to stop.
Strength is the only way to deal with murderous thugs who were killing each other and killing Americans they need to stop their their behavior he cracked open their economies into free market systems -- true democracy and -- and -- Listen to Rick what do you think -- -- I think it's amazing how -- is referring to what is it tedious word you TV orgy.
-- a little little correct me while rich is saying.
That does the policy is fine it's just in the hands of the wrong people I mean -- -- This is gets a little bit silly either foreign policy is consistent and works no matter what the president has -- -- -- that thing if that doesn't it doesn't then too politically correct.
Yeah I filed -- foreign policy doesn't mean you don't change foreign policy and one of the things we should do we cut off the state is also cut off the IMF which is spent prescriptions and higher taxes devaluations in the likened -- these countries.
And we want to do foreign aid sent him.
-- is economic well he's got a free market a year ago -- Smith wealth of you have to risk the problem is.
There's a fallacy here argument here -- I -- usually go back to the difference between Jimmy Carter Ronald Reagan.
But it was the same country that won the former projected a kind of weakness and vacillation and political correctness and and Reagan did the opposite.
Yeah at Victoria you wanna get -- go ahead.
Because Rick the point is we're handing these people blank checks.
And then you're apologizing.
Board and we're going into these places and -- -- -- sorry for this.
Branded video that some -- put out on the Internet means you can't you have to show strangling -- Is there not sell a whole lot of second Rick is they're not somebody you're you're I know you're not in favor of this money leaking into the wrong as is -- not some way to condition the aid.
To go to people that share our interest -- it is our money after all yes we want -- was in that region but we don't want our money going into the hands -- terror.
That's that's fair -- but here's the problem that we -- listen to these arguments suddenly it's about apologies and all of this nonsense that becomes political foreign policy does not exist in that -- apologies don't need to -- -- -- had sent -- to -- as Senator John McCain well I am a Republican was the one who is arguing with -- policy that that that -- is measurable.
We recognize the issue is at the White House is apologizing never make it look like this video was a state sponsor filled when there was some random amateur cart -- -- Made sites by somebody that the US government why don't like -- -- to apologize is the wrong thing to do got a good I actually worry or be thank you -- terrific discussion while you'd.