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Bernie: Koppel showed a 'tremendous gap' in his reporting

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    Bernie Goldberg analyzes the Koppel/O’Reilly shootout

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Stay with us -- Bill O'Reilly in the week there's -- -- segment tonight there was an interesting reaction.

To my interview -- Ted Koppel last week on the factor and his chat with me.

On NBC news some thought that mr.

Koppel came in -- -- -- preconceived.

Point of view.

I don't think anyone is going to be confuse.

As to the ideological belief of most of the people who -- -- -- I think that's grossly unfair to the hard news reports.

OK if you look at our bureau system and the people we have reporting.

All right -- rundown for you.

-- there see an ideologue.

I don't know you don't know OK boom that's it that's a big piece of the -- is -- you don't know where it's from.

Joining -- up North Carolina comment the -- Bernard Goldberg dot com mr.

-- I was surprised.

Brit Hume pointed out to -- in a program and a break that that I didn't confront.

-- Koppel.

We if.

And the fact that we had bear and Shepard Smith certainly not a conservative.

Back to back.

And and that perhaps I should have done that more.

But I did say to him look you've got -- -- -- the players here.

And he clearly didn't know the players except for the primetime.

You know the eight till -- And you -- right.

Yeah I say that Ted Koppel basically knows one thing about fox just one thing he knows he doesn't like it.

Here's here's a man who is unaware that fox has.

Let's call the evening newscast the 1 at 6 o'clock eastern time totally unaware of that apparently.

He doesn't know who -- -- is this is embarrassing for someone who was about to do a story.

On cable television news and it shows a tremendous.

Gap in -- journalistic knowledge.

And the tremendous gap in his journalistic curiosity your own curiosity in this case well and it explains why I think.

He's NBC piece on the subject.

Was a shallow and unsophisticated.

As it was.

So let me let me stick up for Koppel -- moment.

He came in here.

Gentlemen you know we had made the arrangement that I'll do an interview with him if he does -- interview would mean.

So there -- and we both -- everybody's that it couldn't be any shenanigans in the editing and all of that okay.

Here is basic hypothesis is that the prime time April 11 is really all that matters.

And that shapes how the nation responds to.

Not only.

Fox news with CNN and MSNBC.

And he says that because.

He perceives us to be right wing conservative from eight to eleven -- -- and I don't know how you perceive Greta Van Susteren that way.

But right in the but it and and that that is intimidating force on congress.

And on the discourse in America that that that this Honda conservative porch.

As as strident as it is with O'Reilly and Hannity is a destructive force in the nation that's where he was going -- it.

-- -- -- will let me let me make three points of my -- the first about that the first point is.

That that Ted does believe that cable television.

Is a polarizing.

Force in the country.

And it's it's not good for the country.

That is a perfectly legitimate news story I would even agree with some of the things Ted Koppel probably believes on that.

But what you can't do if you're a journalist is you can't fill up your story only with stuff.

That supports your conclusion.

That TB cable TV is a bad thing.

So as a result if you watched his story and NBC.

You would know that Brit Hume existed.

As a commentator on fox you wouldn't know that Kirsten Powers or Charles Krauthammer.

Or or one Williams who I disagree with about everything existed but they're all civil people what do you bring with them or not -- not foaming at the mouth.

So that wasn't anywhere in the story because that would of screwed up his conclusion because they are reasonable.

The second point.

Is that he's so concerned about nastiness and incivility.

Remember after the Tucson massacre.

The New York Times.

Blame this on conservative talk they said it created an atmosphere where this shooting happened it was a total 100%.

-- The shooter was mentally ill.

He probably didn't know who you were who Rush Limbaugh -- who Sarah Palin is.

Ted Koppel mr.

sensitivity about incivility.

Never mentioned a word about that kind of polarizing instability.

And the final point bill.

He doesn't understand why fox is really the most important.

And that's because it gives a voice.

To people it lets people in on the national conversation -- Ted Koppel in the mainstream media.

Won't let him and have a voice and a girl example I absolutely hurt personal example I had a book bias as you know.

It was a number one book Ellis on cable I was on talk radio.

But Ted Koppel who ran Nightline.

And is so concerned about the media.

He never had -- on.

He wasn't interested in my point of view neither were the other media -- at the network because my point of view.

Was not one that they found acceptable.

So Ted.

Is a Smart guy there is no question about that he's done a lot of -- good work in his career there's no question about that.

But he's not a terribly thoughtful guy when it comes to issues involving the media -- -- -- a fair guys what you sent.

Well if you were more thoughtful.

It would've occurred to him.

That there are other things on fox number one that fox enables people to to to be part of the conversation.

That blocks.

If you want to say fox is uncivil at times.

What about the New York Times.

He used -- his voice of reason it is long NBC news piece the media writer for the New York Times but he never said to him.

He never said to David Carr the media writer.

What about your guys' ability -- your newspaper.

Are very thanks very much we appreciated here there.

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