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Today would have service on the United Nations General Assembly meetings here in new York and the heated rhetoric from Iran's president.
So please join our discussions via Twitter -- -- live chat Jonathan Hunt our own Jonathan Hunt has been covering United Nations eventful week Jonathan.
It has then.
President -- -- chips made his speech and it's Ahmadinejad of Iran swan song what's happening today.
Well first of all to president Ahmadinejad I think his speech may have been a little less fiery than many people expected given the run up.
That we had with his very inflammatory comments any interviews he's given a series of interviews he's given as he's -- -- Iran New York City this week.
Today I would think rambling and resolve may be better adjectives to -- in terms of president.
Ahmadinejad much of it was dedicated to.
I sort of dissertation.
On what he called.
The old world order -- -- world -- which he said is dominated by the US.
And which has led to many of the world's problems he said there is it is time for a new world order.
Simply because of that -- he said countries like the United States had surrendered it in effect two as he put it.
The double he also have some.
His usual rhetoric aimed at Israel he said that Israel.
Is quote a fake government.
And he criticized the Israelis -- once again as he put it.
President -- was Melissa a lot more substantiated I think KT.
I -- his comments he talked about Syria for instance saying that there is a desperate need to end the civil war.
In Syria immediately.
It in many ways reflecting.
-- the comments that we have heard continually from the US State Department and the White House.
I he said that they -- the bloodshed has to and it cannot be allowed to continue.
He said ultimately the Syrian people must and will choose their -- it democratically.
Elected government although in reality of goals.
That seems a very a long way off president mostly.
Also had some criticisms for the sort of free speech that we know and love.
Here in the United States is sort of free speech that many in the Muslim world have said led directly to be making all of that and anti Islamic video this spot the protests that we've seen across parts of the Muslim world.
Over the last couple of weeks of two very interesting speeches I think -- ultimately KT many people will simply dismiss.
President Ahmadinejad says the usual ramblings we've heard from him.
They'll probably focus more in terms of substance ultimately on the speech by president -- given that it was his first.
As the new Islamic president -- chip -- takes.
Okay -- -- have the United Nations thanks so much Jonathan.
And now -- -- ambassador John Bolton who our man who knows all about the United Nations having been the United States ambassador to the United Nations and the Bush Administration.
Okay you get a lot of these speeches you've heard a lot of hot air and rhetoric what do you make of the more cease.
Well I think it's very significant for a couple of reasons the the focus on Syria.
Is something obviously very important to -- in large part I think because of the Muslim Brotherhood his organization in Egypt.
Has long had a big chapter if that's the right word in Syria.
And if you go back to the days of the united Arab republic when Egypt and Syria were temporarily -- at forty years or so ago.
This was a time when they established very close ties they're so Egypt's interest in Syria.
Is more than just about civil war in the region it's also about the Muslim Brotherhood and I think the emphasis -- -- the significant.
And second on the point the Jonathan Hunt mentioned about the Mohamed film and and the calls for.
Restrictions on speech that this is not just an academic observation within the UN system ever since those.
Famous satirical cartoons of the Prophet -- back in 2006.
Contests are -- so why isn't exactly -- There has been this push by the organization of the Islamic conference for speech codes.
And I think more -- speech by emphasizing and indicates we're gonna see a lot more that in any UN and another international organizations.
-- stake out a new position for -- of the Marines and I think he very definitely is I think that's an important aspect to this speech as you say his maiden speech in the UN the biggest international form he has ever spoken that.
Egypt the largest.
Arab states seventy million plus people.
And a feeling that going back to the pharaohs they really ought to have the largest.
She does say among the Arab.
State so I think this is a clear break from the -- -- move America air of not not that we didn't expect that.
But it's more proof that the Egypt that we see today.
Is very different than what we've known since 1979.
In the Camp David accord.
And this is good news -- and I says -- I think it's almost entirely bad news I think that the dominance of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Egyptian politics its ties to the terrorist group Hamas in the Gaza Strip which is basically a subsidiary.
The Muslim Brotherhood.
His willingness to reach out to Iran.
The threats to the Camp David accords that we've seen already.
And the possibility of support for other radical islamists -- groups around the region.
Should all concerned the United States.
Very very much.
This country we are getting every two billion dollars a year to an -- and it sounds like he's coming out in the position that's not terribly friendly to the united -- -- absolutely you know the aid that we've given to Egypt.
For the last thirty years was really payment for the Camp David accords.
We gave -- the functionally equal amounts and economic and military aid to both Egypt and Israel.
And that's a pattern that's gone on for a long time but after thirty years -- what one might ask you know have that we paid enough for that agreement.
But particularly now if -- and his government moved to undercut Camp David to two.
Abrogated entirely if they move in that direction.
That at that point I think there's no more need for any further payments and I I would worry is well that.
More -- has already begun replacing generals in the military who were very friendly to the United States.
With generals who observers in Egypt -- -- -- friendly to the Muslim Brotherhood so we risk losing that base of support we have built up -- such great expense.
For decades in the military.
And so what he's trying to do that -- have the entire Egyptian.
-- but you know from his civilian and military hierarchy is now Muslim Brotherhood silence.
Well I think he's moving in that direction you know he now has invited him all of the executive and legislative power in Egypt because the parliament was dissolved and that's been upheld.
But that parliament had it come into play to write the new constitution was 75%.
Muslim Brotherhood -- the even more extreme -- office parties so he's sitting on top of a large base of popular support.
I think the military knows that I think they have their own interest to protect but they haven't exactly gone and opposition with -- with the repeated urgings of their generals.
Please switch gears to Ahmadinejad -- who's now given his final speech at the United Nations and he's talked mallet today that American the last several days at the land.
About I'm you know -- new world order and the Americans are really the old world order that hasn't worked is -- trying to organize some kind of -- Anti American coalition himself -- -- -- Yeah I think that's a lot of hot air basically I think it appeals to the nonaligned movement in the in the general assembly member Ron has just been elected president of the nonaligned movement for the next three years a 120 out of a 193 countries.
So he's playing to the -- and in in that sense but if it doesn't sound to me like he has much of a plan.
Other than showing continued defiance of the US and others trying to rein in.
The nuclear weapons program I do think that it's significant that today he apparently repeated what he said on Monday.
-- that Israel being a fake state.
That's not simply an insult although obviously it is.
It undercuts the legitimacy.
Of Israel and its membership in the UN its legitimacy as a state obviously it's a fake.
That it can't be -- -- And member and can't be.
Treated like -- real state so it's a direct shot -- Israel in a very serious way whether he can rally others to do something about that remains to be saying.
Now as you know the great thing around the showers -- we have our audience is sending in their comments and questions and I'm gonna -- you want.
-- one of our -- -- of our participants I think it's bogey man but I'm not sure he says what are our options for dealing with Iran.
Bomb Iran let Iran get the bombings or something else at.
Leads to refute what I think I think our options at this point are very few given how close Iran has gotten to it -- twenty year long objective of deliverable nuclear weapons I think if you had to predict right now you'd say the most likely outcome is that Iran will get nuclear weapons that are that close.
The economic sanctions have caused some pain that's for sure.
But not enough to slow down the nuclear program in Iran has willing collaborators to help them evade the sanctions Russia China Turkey Iraq.
So that the sanctions are really never gonna have the effect that the advocates say they should have.
And what that means is that -- -- really the only thing that stands between Iran and the nuclear weapons capability.
Is somebody using force against targeted aspects of their nuclear weapons program I don't see that.
Coming from the Obama administration despite the president's ritualistic.
Saying something like all options are on the table or we will not let that happen.
Which don't have credibility that's why the focus is on Israel but which has twice before and its history.
Struck the nuclear.
Programs -- high style states in the region Iraq in 1981 -- 2007.
Ever it what it is just pushed up against the wall.
Feels isolated from the United States it doesn't what happens -- the aftermath.
Well I think Israel does feel very isolated from the United States not only because of the the the treatment the press and Obama has accorded the prime minister Netanyahu not meeting with him.
But in in the president's speech yesterday which was just -- in a textbook example of moral equivalency.
Israel's actions in its own self defense are treated as the functional equivalent of acts of terrorism against it.
So if you're Israel sitting there thinking what what are we gonna do you have to feel.
Very very alone and I think that's one of the reasons Netanyahu -- wanted to meet with Obama it's great to have telephone calls but when you're talking about.
The existence of your very nation.
It's important to talk.
Face to face with your -- -- would present have I not do that if we're forgetting to the -- -- is for us considering unilateral military action you know honestly from his point of view I would have thought politically it would have made sense let let alone strategically.
But I conclude from from his refusal to meet with Netanyahu and -- his refusal to meet with anybody else in new York at least any other heads of state.
That he's in the no drama Obama campaign mode and that -- he simply doesn't want that the risks that somebody's gonna get off message.
So we kind of ducks and the town.
Gives his speech to the general assembly speaks at the -- -- -- Clinton Global Initiative so that it's all his words in other words it's not the debate it's not some foreign leaders saying something.
And then he's out of town and back to the campaign trail.
One out of one of our regulars all for jury says -- was ambassador Bolton thank -- Egypt and will Egypt be able to work with Turkey or the saudis in some kind of -- coalition.
Well I think the future of Egypt is very much up in the air and I.
Myself favor continuing to work with the military and non Muslim Brotherhood leaders in Egypt I'm not prepared to -- off I think that would be a mistake for the United States Egypt.
Is an incredibly important Arab nation it's still it -- at least technically the Camp David accord it does have the Suez Canal and absolutely vital.
There may come a point where we have to cut off -- I'm not there yet but the mention of Turkey and Saudi Arabia are important to.
Because if Iran gets nuclear weapons to come back to that said -- there's there's no doubt and I think in fact secretary of state Clinton has said this.
That the saudis the egyptians and the Turks will -- get nuclear weapons too so that this extraordinarily volatile.
Region of the world would get a lot more volatile with half a dozen or so nuclear weapons states.
And added obviously one of the parts of the world where most reliant on for the world economy.
Israel everything in the Max writes it -- containment does that work.
Well I don't think it does with the run I think the notion that you can contain and deter nuclear -- the way we contained and deterred the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Doesn't cut it these people the -- -- in Tehran have a very different.
Psychology a very different mindset a very different strategic view of the world then the Soviets did.
Back in the Cold War I mean I don't think living under the threat of mutual assured destruction is a very happy way to live in any event -- but I don't want our future to be -- of religious fanatics with nuclear weapons.
So I think I think it's a very different picture but I say even if I'm wrong about containment with respect to -- even if you could deter a nuclear Iran.
As we just discussed it doesn't stop there it it has been three or more other countries getting nuclear weapons and then you have a containment -- -- problem with no solution the possibility.
That somebody will strike first rises.
Varied dramatically wrong.
OK well thank you so much for a lawyer inside ambassador John Bolton.
Fox is injured -- wise men around town thank you so much thank you going to do if -- Okay thanks -- take a break and then come back.
But doctor -- -- another Fox News regular and talk about what's going animation.
Hi welcome back to Defcon three we have doctor for other -- of the Hoover institution with us.
Yet again and he's a guy that we always -- to turn -- you for that sort of not only lyrical view of about the Middle East and went sky never really he was the guy went.
Everybody else was -- and he was the man.
Who really said something is going on.
In the Middle East they're -- for succession crises and there may be an Arab awakening sure enough he was right -- -- eighteen months later.
There -- awakening became the Arab Spring and everything was looking great but now you've just -- at the United Nations.
It's not looking so great -- the new president of Egypt Muslim Brotherhood president has talked about a new American policy in the Middle East.
Has the Islamist movement -- -- -- radical islamists are they in danger of taking over.
What did -- -- KTD have been taken over but they have stepped into the opening created by these out of the way things.
And good friend of mine I'm sure you know -- and -- -- and the legendary Leon with his tear gas and go to public.
He said what do you put eight people who also live updates that -- -- who devoted their activism it lead you to put it -- on reason.
So much was liberated -- much was released.
But out of spring but out of awakening.
An uncle of it is great that we should never be who should -- better -- -- nostalgic for the age.
-- to dictators who must not look back and think.
That we have such a great time in Indy dependable but we must look at the dictators and what they did to us and what they sent -- -- way.
And what they -- -- we I keep reminding Americans over an -- again.
Is this entire -- 9/11.
-- -- -- with the death planets they would the other side the flip side of the dictators so there wasn't much in -- a book that was decent.
In December 2010.
In the 2011 when -- civilians came upon us.
And why are things that you said at the time that really struck me was she said that for thousands of years and certainly for the last three or 400 years.
Arabs in the Muslim world.
We're talking always about the fall to someone else you're the victims the focus -- choose the -- the Turks the fold of the colonial powers before this America but the Arab awakening.
Was the first time they said the -- on.
Us when and if you do if you looked into the cafe in and kind of I mean that's the standard practice today everyone who doesn't have a job of that and those -- employed.
Boy you hear it is you would -- as as people are sitting with -- what their pipes and thinking about the world.
The word you've heard over and over again was little -- it was -- Rico and Rico and Rico the United States -- -- And in fact they displaced onto the United States they displaced -- that great big glamorous Fowler.
There -- that is and their anger and the frustrations.
They couldn't get a small but at the guts of the great power does sustain Mubarak and it was -- -- and that he was said.
We have the need an inning and the fight anymore they need any meaning that regime the -- any meaning the United States so -- anger.
Was directed against United States and the dictators made sure of that.
And so in 20112012.
Doubt I was finally decided to some extent to take ownership of their own his today.
But if you're an American flag chemistry together attacking American embassies -- -- the American -- is it back to blaming the United States late.
I think that's a very good question they've been doing in American flags in -- at least for a very very long time.
-- I'm no longer young but that in and they're just going around even in my neighborhood.
When the US -- the United States information -- this.
These libraries which give us books which give -- -- that would be ports in Beirut right next go to what I -- Civilian American flags scaling the rules of American embassies.
Missing and that can.
It's a standard political practice anti Americanism.
Is the -- of that region.
And analysts say you know look at the embassies the American embassies in the out of Islamic world not just that got a blue but didn't the -- -- -- -- -- -- He said this is of fortresses and they stand for the things -- opposite.
Is that place you go -- to try to get the visa to get to have a lot of these countries.
And is the place that you think.
Nefarious schemes are being hash against your own country so America is loved and desired and America's -- and nothing has changed.
When you look at what happened in Libya where it now seems that -- organizers of the attack against the American constant bad -- I think.
Al-Qaeda -- graduates.
Same people who -- New York Times said the United States is calling an ally of swords -- of the guys that we arm -- then turned.
Those guns on our own people.
Al-Qaeda is back.
Well al-Qaeda was never out of Libya by the way don't documents which are very interesting documents -- documents that the US military captured in Iraq.
There are documents of the jihadist who came to Iraq to kill the Americans and took -- to Shia.
And these jihadist who have from all lived out of wood and -- -- this will be very interesting vehicle of the cities are documents in the cities are documents that you unequivocally.
Who these jihadist the largest number foot 2% came from Saudi Arabia the second largest number kids -- -- -- -- plus people predicted.
-- no doubt that edge of North Africa so that was always a strong.
Jihad is al-Qaeda presence in Libya.
-- -- -- -- he used them he could he could direct them one place he could direct them to the other he could crack down on them what he could consider it done.
So do we -- Syria.
Well I didn't you know this is like playing five -- -- playing poker with -- -- up.
I think we should have on the -- -- -- from the very beginning I think would meet -- have a mistake.
I think Clinton that I thinks that could be instituted it Clinton there's a big moral responsibility.
Put the game she's played for the fact that she's been running out the clock on the city ends but the fact that she's been promising that this this -- one.
The united nations Security Council resolution away from helping them would just about to make the deal with the Russians would just about to make the need.
With the Chinese the longer we wait on city of the -- -- city it would become.
We will come to with the date that we have a country on the Mediterranean like -- right next door to Lebanon and Israel -- on.
That has in fact being -- over to the jihadist learn more civilians know when you see these these this.
Protests more and more invoke a -- all the time to invoke god was not really about god they're looking for dividends.
And the difference has not come from from the Americans it has not come from the west as it did for the Libyans.
Well so rumors -- big thank you very much doctor a lot of shining path Hoover institution thank you so much for -- listen thank you.
Thanks we're gonna take a break and then connect dark about the part of the world with a mystery to everybody the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with Karen Elliott house.
Hi welcome back to death country we're really honored to bring a lady who has not been on our screen before.
And into your home since its Karen Elliott house she's an.
Furlough -- the Wall Street Journal won her Pulitzer Prize for covering the Middle Eastern part of the world that thirteen people cover.
-- particularly women and she's written a book on the Saudi Arabia.
It's a mystery kingdom nobody knows anything about it nobody travels there.
And yet at the same time it's probably one of the best and bring countries in the region did they miss the -- friends.
Think they -- it would be.
If it's bubbling around inside that country because young saudis now.
Like everyone else in the Middle East you know what goes on in their country and outside thanks to the Internet and satellite TV.
It has not yet erupted for a number of reasons which I'm happy to go into our character as a because they're all welfare made out here that will lead the kingdom and basically the royal family controls people per room.
Three things religion.
And intelligence and so maybe.
A lot of money to throw -- problems and they need the king came home.
After the Arab Spring he had been -- recuperating.
And he threw a 130.
Billion dollars across the entire country.
Money for the religion is so minimum wage money for students.
Everything but it doesn't when people see that they say I deserve war.
-- -- -- -- About every country in the Middle East all have sort of a different saga but they all have one thing in common they have huge youth population is 7580% of the population.
Under the age of thirty now 60%.
Of the population is under twenty.
Is 60% under cloning are right now most of the Middle East they don't have jobs and that really matters they don't eat it -- nearly 10% of young saudis aged twenty to twenty -- don't have jobs.
Does it matter.
It because it's still there's still getting issues said the money for this the money prevailed they get.
Free education but if you have nothing to do with tier education and nothing to entertain you know movies and him.
You know you had no clubs are learning.
You can stay home and watch TV are playing video games -- visit your friends people are.
Bored and frustrated and they focus on the gap between.
The -- religion is preached and actually practiced.
That you're not supposed to mix with the women and yet when McCain decides to have a university -- armed men and women makes the religious saying.
It's okay -- and the one religious leader who didn't was fired.
That the Prophet Mohammed preached a humility any quality -- there's.
Equality under humility.
He Sony yeah.
Rice talking about your book as you talk about the very large number of workers in Saudi Arabia who are not saudis.
And that must be a very dynamic.
Potentially revolutionary situation.
They have tried to control led by getting rid of Arab workers that used to be Palestinians and egyptians they now have the foreign workers are either.
The white collar workers home.
You know westerners and the construction garbage collecting driving many incidents that are -- tend to be Bangladesh she's pakistanis.
Indians some will -- But not.
An era and guest workers are not getting his hands and -- -- -- now and they work for you know dirt poor wages which is another thing that keeps the wage levels so low that saudis will -- -- Because they can't.
The foreigners come there they have nothing to do but work.
And they're ideal day is a twenty hour day you know collecting a lot of money and sending -- home to their -- Family in Pakistan -- Bangladesh -- wherever.
Now one of the things about -- book as well -- it you know when you look at all the Arab Spring countries a lot of them.
The crisis point came when they didn't have a succession plan are trying to pass it on to their children are their cousins or whatever.
The saudis have a very strong leadership plan.
All the leaders are really all running really help what happened at a Saudi Arabia I think -- is a Sunday with all the you know problems that every other Arab country hands of unemployment and the cherry bomb on top of their Sunday in succession.
Because the crown has passed from brother to brother -- -- founder had.
44 -- 35 or six of whom -- to adulthood.
And the youngest is my -- 68.
You know so they will run out of songs and they don't even know how to make the generational jump we.
Have to come back and talk to us about what happens thanks again okay -- LA house on Saudi Arabia's her book and it's a very provocative look at what might be next in the -- -- Well that's -- for Defcon three today thanks for joining in the discussions with all of your questions and comments.
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