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On this because actually proving that there's -- -- actually Catholic Church as well because the November election is what 39 days away.
And on the forefront of those battling for each candidate.
Are nuns and -- represent the -- that's grown in the Catholic Church the socially liberal and the social conservative.
I take a listen to sister Simone and who's become.
Who became the darling of the Democratic National Convention with her and lambasting.
Of Paul Ryan's budget cuts.
During our journey I rediscovered -- futures.
First Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are correct when they say that each individual should be responsible.
What their budget goes -- In not acknowledging that we are responsible not only for ourselves and our immediate family.
Rather our -- strongly affirms that we are all responsible for -- another.
OK so he doesn't -- how -- -- a very interesting Donna because here you've gone.
This is a man who's -- the Democratic National Convention and they -- her talk about social justice about feeding the poor and about how wrong the Ryan budget is and then you've got a Mitt Romney who basically had nuns in habits.
Sitting behind him -- I'm an event that he was -- and so.
You've got two different kinds of catholicism being -- -- being thing being put forth here.
Would -- is going on there.
If I can volunteer.
I think right now what's happening is that dichotomy.
Between what I would call righteousness.
And justice in the Roman Catholic Church.
You've got a life you've -- marriage you've got supporting Israel.
On one side I call these righteousness issues.
-- then you've got these justice issues -- for the poor.
And making sure that the least of these are cared for in our society.
Both are in the Bible.
And most -- this dichotomy -- -- between.
The white led church and the minority churches.
Had this trouble at times.
Because often a minority churches are looking at justice issues.
And the white -- churches in America often.
In evangelical circles are looking at the right -- -- issues and so I think we're gonna have to deal of this.
And that's where you have I tension.
I think right now in this elective cycle and that's why some are pushing toward Democrats some Republicans.
But I -- -- say it is real -- I think that there's a new day.
And people like myself.
Have got to support people they have a moral.
Assessment that may not be -- my faith.
I'm struggling with the fact that and Barack Obama cell phones.
Like a Christian he says he's a Christian.
But his agenda.
And on many issues he's anti Israel.
In terms of them support that -- those wanna give.
He's anti life into the -- supports a Roman Catholic church and he's anti traditional marriage.
Which means I may have to support.
Someone who's a Mormon whose faith I don't agree with but whose moral agenda.
Lines up -- -- my.
Primary faith agenda and I think many many Christians.
Grappling with that.
In the Roman Catholic faith tradition and -- -- even -- When they're terrific giant -- do you -- the evangelicals are grappling with that war -- say Catholic because and the Catholics over the last three years there -- -- As at a slow trickle out of the into the Republican.
-- Used to be before abortion and gay marriage and gay rights for an issue the Democrats -- -- Catholics were firmly in the democratic column and there was no doubt about it if you weren't a Democrat -- Catholic you've just.
It's important Catholic.
But we -- a different a bit but abortion and and homosexuality and that is -- com.
The dividing line between the socially liberal and the socially conservative and here you got the Catholics now coming into the -- these -- -- -- going on the side of that these sort of feed the poor and ignoring the issue of life within the Democratic Party what do you what do you think that sent.
First of all the nuns there -- marketing campaign I think they're real issue when it comes to the convergence of Catholics in politics in the last year.
Is that Obama sabotaged.
His Catholic support I mean you you almost couldn't planned this better if you're a Republican I think within a year of the election.
He all of a sudden changes his position on same sex marriage and then he lights a match and drops it in a powder keg with this religious liberty conversation and so.
You know I think that what Obama and the Democrats are doing is they're just really trying to find anybody that that supports them and -- this is not new by the way there's there's always been -- A social justice kind of liberal -- -- -- Catholic you know.
The nomination what is needed.
Is this -- massive.
Response that we've seen in the last year for the religious liberty assuming rallies all over Capitol Hill all across the country.
And so I think -- -- -- you know who won 54 to 45% the Catholic vote.
It's really worried he's gonna lose the whole thing yet and it is it is it is reality that because of the same sex marriage issue of course the longstanding -- like -- -- And this fight that's been picked over religious liberty.
That Catholics could move over to -- column and they connect the -- But I also think that would of bishop Jackson I think you probably couldn't agree on is one of the things that happened with the with the Catholic Church back in 2008 was that.
Days and didn't really know what Obama was about and they you and the Catholic Church hierarchy based it was side swiped.
-- the what -- -- -- campaign was really able to sort of siphon off a lot of those Catholic votes.
And I'm not quite sure they're going to be there for 2012 what do you think.
Well I think the real challenge for.
People of faith is to make sure our people come out and vote.
Right now a lot of folks are sitting there saying.
I don't know whether I should vote for a Mormon what is that I don't know I don't know that I can support Obama because.
Whatever kind of christianity he's practicing.
My goodness it's not my grand -- -- christianity.
And does so.
I think that we're going to see.
If the Roman Catholic leadership.
Loads of carbon and gets its people out I think it's going bode badly for Obama as Johnny said.
And I think that if our people show up.
-- street evangelicals.
Then I think Obama could very well lose in this election.
But somebody's got to blow -- somebody got to say don't vote.
Your faith so to speak we have the values of your faith.
Vote what you believe is right vote your morality yeah I think that's the message for Christians in this hour.
While I think you very much because of the -- the mother that was an enemy -- big thing because it usually the last ten years they have sided with the popular vote so it's a good thing to watch the popular the that the Catholic -- I want to thank you both for being on the other -- proudly against did you debate -- -- -- Jackson -- Johnnie -- thank you so much.
I think so it.
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