Finish high school in two years?
Plan could save taxpayers money
- Duration 8:41
- Date Sep 29, 2012
Plan could save taxpayers money
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What high school students graduate in two years and settle for a growing numbers state governments are doing it to get high achieving kids.
In the college -- Bush at all states do it to bring taxpayer costs lower.
Well hello everybody -- -- setting up in the cash NN.
Are passionate this week we have Jonathan Hoenig Tracy -- Topps burgers and -- what campus here and joining us think we have Sally -- So look at -- -- Jamaal gonna start with you.
This two year plan for high school kids what what do you like about.
Let everybody -- these taxes where they own -- -- -- not where they have to over not everybody pays for education and every year they get worse education -- -- cost more so.
We've really dumb down our school program to rescues through the system why not do at the otherwise why not let the achieving kids rush through.
The system and get away from this burgeoning in theocracy.
Beyond that I think that we're spending money on things that aren't being productive for our economy so let these let these achieving students send -- the message that if you achieve you'll be rewarded.
But the idea we're gonna get -- this taxpayer money back -- kind of -- mirage.
Taxpayers never get any money back it'll just move on to the next burned out about Bob boondoggle but I do think it's a good idea.
Well I have property taxes actually you know do go to the schools to be -- have a Tracy -- gets the money issue but -- -- -- -- issue get a lot of it at your house to yours or -- about the past.
You know what -- and the money issue to me is very separate from the academic developmental issue because I don't think these kids should be rushed through school and I do think there's a reason they need these years to develop.
As people but.
When you do look at the dollars and cents I mean there are a lot of people that live in towns that don't even have kids in the school system.
And close to 50% of their taxes are going to the schools.
They're not spending the money properly if you get -- can't they can take advantage of every dollar that is given to them and -- get through the system and take advantage why not.
You know what -- icon at the same time that tax payers are saying why not on the other end of the spectrum because.
It's not just property taxes are saying going to schools but also look at the all the fights -- -- -- -- teacher pensions and teachers' salaries and things like that I mean all of that factors and -- thinking.
Get more kids out of school faster save some money but you know as taxpayers.
We pay for a lot of things because we think there in the general interest and not just in our own self interest and public education.
Is obviously number one on that list.
Look we can let these kids graduate years early we -- give them all guns and they can go patrolled the streets and we could fire police officers and that would also save taxpayers' money on it and it's a good guy I'm right and obviously it would be nice if instead of just talking about how can keep cutting public services that help middle class families.
We would actually talk about millionaires and billionaires paying the same tax rate.
As the middle final may -- that we wouldn't have to make as they did Jonathan we're talking about billions of dollars.
-- Billions of dollars and accelerating this kid's Smart kids who are probably wasting their time.
In a public schools and everything I agree with Jim I think the -- time kids -- in the public schools -- on average probably the better especially the gifted ones would hold them back.
Prince keeping used to be very common in this country in the seventies and eighties this whole egalitarian philosophy that city got a.
Cut down the top of the top poppies.
And -- the government monopoly that we have in this country incentivizes.
-- kids to stay longer we have these peer to peer learning.
This whole idea of kids boosting test scores to make the teachers look better.
Let gifted kids move on and -- tax payers money in the process.
-- -- wouldn't you rather have.
Some kids if they're Smart enough willing enough to get out two years you could actually keep programs that have been under threat like Jim.
Like home economics I mean these are programs associates -- talked about cutting.
For high schoolers this is a way maybe save us.
Last map perhaps or Cheryl but look I think you guys -- being very nice neat because you're actually assuming that you're going to have so many kids that are going to be in this accelerate a program.
Look it's not a Linear number so in other words you don't just say in two years this is it and their -- You're gonna have a big percentage of kids that still have to be there for four years it's -- -- number question and have some they're held back a what do you do -- all these kids that are out of school already.
You don't even have the jobs that are there for them anyway look you're gonna see property taxes go through the birth because the -- -- -- -- -- hire more people that may be -- -- -- graduate.
Upheld it I can't get an Alley the -- south is they actually.
And go off to college -- -- as a community college or victims say it a couple of years -- even smarter there could be some serious benefits.
Look it if we're separating him.
Educational benefits of this you know I happen I was a product of public schools I like public schools -- believe in public schools.
And kids -- are doing while public schools who are ready.
Academically emotionally to go out of college good for them we should encourage that but to do -- out of the argument not of their educational.
Advancement and best interest.
But because of some notions that are save people money and therefore it's an Apollo Christmas incentive that it could short -- I guess all I want to do the best point thus far you could see that money back.
I mean just because we let these kids out two years earlier does not mean your property taxes are gonna go down the states are gonna find a way to waste money in a different area.
What we have to do is focus on our educational system.
Not every kid in his -- -- mind to be in an awesome public school system like mine aren't there are so many eligible -- the normal systems like you start so maybe we take them much and neither a better way to do this other than Russian amount the door -- years are until it.
Well yeah some people did the money guide to looking your money got -- -- it states are on notice -- around big time notice that they've got huge budget deficits are trying to -- ways to cut.
I mean why wouldn't this help the bottom line of -- states most of this is in this example is happening in Arizona for example -- property taxes are next to nothing -- because not housing market anymore.
Why why one would this be a good.
Is a good thing I haven't heard one single good argument why not today the first -- -- you're not rushing kids through your allowing them to rush through if they so desire that's what this is all supposed to be about.
Kids they can advance should advance if they want to.
And -- it saves money.
All the -- why not save money where he can't if it's improving.
Other lots of abs -- kids that wanted to cheat we should reward achievement in this country and that the good.
-- -- to an extent -- the -- talk the talk show and it looks much covered up the agenda that's great -- saying that we -- we went to to destroy success we get that.
However you have to assume a member of property taxes you -- population growth that think that property taxes would actually drop because -- actually subtract years you guys scored education they are very review they're good and well and I love what happened.
I think you happen.
But that's like -- -- unless it got -- -- might just called Donovan and company but does not quite your argument I was -- hear the argument this is one example.
Of -- way for states to save money and not saying it's gonna bring Donna but his property taxes but it's one example of righting the wrong for the state budgets.
-- more money for those kids at school that need the attention.
Maybe Hingis in the money in the school system and put it where it needs the attention let those kids that don't need the attention but she even though.
-- -- If you if you if you really wanted to help the kids and the taxpayers you privatize the schools -- -- I ain't never gonna.
Anyone want very much true agenda there was right there had absolutely all of that want to -- just just -- -- facility.
Absolutely could get 600 billion dollars elegant state and federal funds that is the panels pointed out seems to get.
Flushed down the toilet Europe dear dear excellent -- kids have always perform better in social and economic and -- come out about -- very pleased.
-- -- -- a second they're kind of thing.
Passing grades right now down -- 6060%.
Passed that would be advance what's the criteria for these kids what has sixtieth annual advance an opportunity years gimme a break it's impossible nothing good about -- got -- Fun but that's the thing and that -- my worry that this notion that we're -- you know OK fine I get Jim's point celebrates success but there's also going to be someone looking at the bottom line -- Hey we gotta get more kids out as we don't have the money so pushed these kids through two.
As it is we're falling behind in math and science throughout the world I'm not sure this is the right way to do it but the states are rock.
I get that I'm just not sure we -- there -- children with a -- all right Jim -- it -- this problem.
To get -- -- airport got a break.
While this it was due to things these are not mutually exclusive it'll save money that can be saved it'll push kids through -- system that should be pushed through the system.
And -- it -- even if you are going to be divert that money elsewhere it will leave more money to give those and there's kids that need the attention more help.