Philadelphia cop caught on tape punching a woman loses job
Legal panel weighs in on the case
- Duration 6:27
- Date Oct 5, 2012
Legal panel weighs in on the case
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Appellate court is back in session on the docket today -- Philadelphia policemen fired from his job after punching a woman in the face and it's all on camera.
With Tenet Jonathan Josie caught on cell phone video throwing it closed fist punch at this woman -- Guzman.
At the end of the city's Puerto Rican day parade.
And here's the video that went viral you can see someone behind -- -- a bottle of water the liquid possibly hitting the police look.
See possibly hitting the police officer -- -- is seen waving what looks like a can of silly string in the air.
It's also holding a flag the cops spins around and hits her as she's walking away from him she falls down she's handcuffed led away with a bloody -- Her lawyer says she hadn't two arms and head police brass saying opposite -- use excessive force and letting him go.
The union says they will fight this they will get him reinstated.
They claim he's a decorated police officer with nineteen years on the job and that he is the one who's been -- here.
Turning me now a defense attorney David Walt and John spilled -- what the prosecutor now defense attorney are so.
Dictate does not look good.
For officer Jose who Kol Cox this woman but there's a question about whether he believed he was under attack -- Apparently -- according to him there's a question whether he was under attack when we look at that video.
Here's -- is very telling to me -- and there's a six foot gap in between -- and the time he -- are close enough that he could.
You know -- while up against her eighth.
Time appearing weekly should have -- she wasn't carrying a weapon -- weapon with silly string he did not have to punch this woman in -- -- If you want to rest or he could have done more -- -- and that he was dead.
Wrong it looks.
He may have did you know just give -- some benefit of the doubt -- he may have believed she deceived the watched a lot of different see it right there.
And he turns around I was walking back he may have believed she was the one who threw something at him.
And -- you know police -- -- may never know what what it was what does he know it's water you know what's.
How -- you about you wait this case.
Yeah absolutely made -- you know and cops look at these rallies and protests completely differently since the occupy protests last year where those people vandalized everything in sight assaulted people left and right and commit all kinds of other types of misdemeanors and felonies.
They are under siege there's stress levels skyrocket and you're right this guy didn't know whether some type of dangerous chemicals just tossed on -- gasoline may be some other type of toxic chemical.
And he sees her holding a -- her hand and approaching him so he snapped what's his reaction appropriate -- the -- that is probably not.
But -- -- -- year decorated cop.
Of the Philadelphia PD be fired immediately with the chief or the mayor issuing -- apology to this person.
Before the facts are -- open we don't know is what did this woman say if anything.
To him wasn't a threat this needs to be investigated I see suspending him with pay but not -- that.
The unions upset about -- -- they say.
OK internal affairs stepped in it was conducting an investigation we get that.
But then the police chief stepped in the police commissioner Charles Ramsey as that he was taking quote commissioner's direct action.
And firing the guy and they said that's not fair you got to let the investigation play out.
Now can I just be real here what investigation do we need.
We have a videotape that showed this -- cold copping a woman -- no bigger than me a forty year old woman who's not armed with anything but maybe -- -- -- an.
He's six foot 3215.
-- and and be the way he -- very hard to watch she does say I didn't do anything he's gonna say I thought she did -- to investigate when cock.
Can't have a bad day.
-- bad day at the cop.
Bullets fly and somebody gets hurt you have a bad day of our pencil gets broken did not had a bad day he really angry when he hits her in the -- He's dead wrong -- all the molested fire this guy.
I'll grant you -- cannot I'll grant you.
I'll grant you when I first looked at that punch I mean everybody quote -- and it's horrible to see a small woman like that go flying -- in the granite -- Thankful that she wasn't more seriously injured.
But what was that liquid Megan.
What was in the can she was holding what did she say you simply can't under these circumstances were cops look like the stress levels rising it tensions rising.
I simply say he was wrong we've got it -- -- in my judgment.
It's how you're fired this bad about it so this woman didn't throw the water we can all see if you roll it again you can see actually look like as it is I guess I'm -- you can see it's a guy with.
With the dark sleeve throwing the water towards the cops but the -- doesn't necessarily know that he doesn't know who threw it he doesn't know whether it's water actually needed a week that for the record.
So he's got to turn around and deal with this based on the moment and it you know here we are all -- time later it's easy for us to say being that cop.
You know overreacted by.
You know in a moment Janet these guys -- cops he -- paralyzed in the line they don't know what's -- -- -- You know Irish are we being too hard on him you know I respect -- -- really really do.
What would've stopped instead of punching her in the face and knocking her to the ground what does he grabbed first thing it'll arm.
Then put it kind of -- that they're trained to do and said dude read that right now as he's not every cut to the face he's not on the market and that they can determine who threw watt and what it was he didn't do that what he should have done done up.
What are the can contain some type of accelerant what does she had matches in her hand I mean you got to take it did snap -- judgment in them and that.
In that very moment that he made the judgment it turns out she probably wasn't a threat.
But you know -- firing -- isn't the answer punishing him is.
Is there -- is there.
Something to be set for the fact that you know according to the union he has this twenty year stellar history and -- -- -- -- any other blemish on his record he's gone.
But is -- it does he deserve any slack if he's had twenty years you know stellar history of serving the people of Philadelphia did you.
Meg and I read that he had thirteen complaints and those nineteen year.
And -- -- out what content doesn't have complaints though we owe it to that standard -- any cop so it doesn't impress me on that -- -- -- -- -- -- And that's the fourth are being burba the -- -- did I -- an anger management problem.
And -- that -- but don't -- don't mix they don't.
Next that is a good point -- great debate thank you both so much.
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