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Mexican navy: Zetas drug cartel founder killed, body stolen

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A pair -- major developments in Mexico's deadly drug war the Mexican navy confirms it killed the leader of Mexico's most vicious cartel.

The navy also arrested another drug boss from the same game is connected to the death of an American they tell us.

The navy reports it killed as -- -- is cartel leader known as the executioner.

Did so -- a firefight near the border with Texas.

He's a former special forces officer known for his brutal tactics were told.

Including putting the severed heads of his rivals on display as well as plotting a number of massacres and assassination I can't confirm any of this despite the wedge -- -- all that.

But this is what we're getting from the authorities who say gunmen snatched his body from a funeral home during a -- Snatched his body we'll get more -- moment Mexican navy also reports and arrested another -- -- boss connected -- -- murder of the American David Hartley.

That may may not be familiar but how about this situation he's the guy who was jet skiing on the border like remember his wife came forward saying what what the heck happened.

-- she demanded an investigation well -- ego.

-- Gallagher has the news what do we know about this man accused of killing David Hartley.

While the Mexican authorities should have identified this guy as Alfonso.

-- -- -- -- he's also known as the squirrel by the way.

And he is also thought to be behind the executions of some 300 other people inside of Mexico.

They say that he is now -- main suspect in the killing of both David Hartley as well as the police commissioner.

Who was investigating the -- -- remember his head was delivered in a box it was David and Tiffany Hartley were on the Mexican side of falcon lake.

When Tiffany Hartley is the one who said they were chased by bandits who shot and killed her husband his body was never found.

And now Tiffany Hartley says that she is hopeful but she is still skeptical listen.

If this gentlemen this suspect does have involvement.

We wanna know.

Where David sat in months and get some evidence of you know his remains and -- just as says -- -- my two years later be able to have some closure.

And gave up two.

Truly move on and move forward.

It was should know that the sheriff patrols falcon lake on the US side says that he does not believe the squirrel is responsible for David Hartley is death.

He believes there are five other suspects in that case -- They know if they killed the leader of the Zeta cartel if they don't have is behind it.

While Mexican authorities say this better but to Los -- was actually shot and killed outside of -- Texas -- a stadium just south of the Texas border yesterday by.

Mexican Marines and before his body was stolen.

In that early morning raid Mexican authorities say -- ID to him through fingerprints and with pictures now if that's true.

It's clearly a huge victory for the Mexican government but it's also a huge embarrassment.

Because as of right now the United States has no confirmation of any of this listen.

We've seen these stories.

Frankly we -- not in a position to confirm.

Any of that we are seeking further clarification from Mexican authorities.

-- saying goes the DEA by the way they had no confirmation.

About this drug lord being killed but there are reports that there is already a new even more brutal boss running the Zeta cartels.

-- -- -- -- gotta figure there would be David I mean.

Trace Gallagher an -- -- could see again thank you.

Let's bring in David Katz now he's a former special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration also the CEO and founder of global security incorporated which is a risk managed risk management and counterterrorism consultant -- -- place.

I don't know how we figure out who's who down there which leaders in power right now but.

Does it seem right to -- that as long as we have this enormous.

Appetite and market for what the product that they're creating.

That this is just gonna continue forever -- -- we do something about the market.

Yet that's actually an excellent point you need to have a two pronged strategy -- need to have interdiction and enforcement and of course demand reduction which by the way negative.

Education the the if you look at -- the success we've had.

Over the years and reducing cigarette smoking for example it can be done what would be zero demand note but we have to have a two pronged approach lessened demand the same time we try to lock these guys course.

Hear -- movies something due out in public cigarette smoking is something that that they control that they know will kill you with the only product that is legal in the United States.

-- when used as directed kills.

And they have -- now you pay fifteen dollars and 75 cents in the lobby twelve stories down from here that's how they did that.

And the way they're trying to do this explain to me this scenario under which we can tell people stop -- drugs.

And tell the Mexicans stop making drugs commit either one of those can ever happen.

It's you never gonna eliminate that we're trying to do is reduce demand and reduce supply how that worked out -- for.

It has made it -- can you imagine what we have the we have the matter of those 35000 that Mexicans and a war that's going on to our southern border and a state that is almost been reduced.

To a narco state just to our border just a mile -- there's a narco state there.

Who's -- whose economy in his involving us in selling us the drugs.

Why I think that would have been true more and several years ago now the Mexicans have been an extraordinary step -- -- -- didn't -- an extraordinary and they brought it here I'm well.

-- probably best for instance there in their enforcement efforts they -- take back their country through thirty years ago this was Columbia.

And if you look at the way the Colombians that -- that they targeted they targeted the senior leaders of the cartels and most importantly.

They made it possible -- and extradited to face charges here in the US which is one of the most.

Most terrifying things these people is facing the American justice system in Mexico to get locked up the -- think we can break out of jail.

If we get in here like we did win -- -- boss who.

It's it's -- strategy that's working that are making strike.

So do we think that if we bring -- over here to deal with them that they don't bring this war over here with them.

And the tens of thousands who were did down there.

Might start Diana powder and our country we do you have a great deal of violence -- -- -- -- tells of perpetrating but it sure looks like but not at that level if you -- not yet but.

Well I think what what's to suggest that it won't move here if we are so arrogant.

As to believe that while we have this enormous marketplace and all of this money for a product that they're creating.

That they in a state that's a narco trafficking state anyway won't just continued to do this I can't find the person who thinks.

That this is a possibility.

What is -- possibility the Mexicans are gonna -- their country back they've made incredible incredible strides forward the fact that this guy was -- was dead.

Is it is a warning bell to every other cartel leader these guys walk around with targets on their back and that's the strategy.

Because if you're wondering about the next the next step you take outside if you're gonna be locked up.

-- killed.

You're not able to operate your you were illegal activities and that's the strategy that's working it's working counterterrorism and it's working in counternarcotics.

So the thinking is that if you stop the ones who are selling it to us right now.

But don't stop the demand for it that it won't just spread somewhere else we have this exact same problem well if you're exactly right -- -- -- times like whack a mole.

It's a good analogy data point is you have to do you get to tactful theories you have to try to reduced demand the greatest extent possible and stuff supply.

Or you could change the goal.

And realize that this problem is not going away.

And learn to deal with it another way nothing you can do that you know in charge of anything -- -- mind the weapon -- never worked.

It's never worked -- it's never worked anywhere used to be -- -- Mexico where is -- next.

Well I wonder where it is next I don't want to do in my backyard and it -- we but I feel it's coming.

And I think things that the DEA here is hitting the success every 24 sevenths you know Mexicans as well at a time thank you so much -- well.

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