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I believe that if America doesn't -- Others will.

Others who don't share interests and our values.

And the world would grow darker for our friends.

And for us.

America's security in the cause of freedom cannot afford four more years like the last four years.

And back.

Was Willard Mitt Romney Republican nominee for president.

Looking rather presidential as he talked about foreign policy at the Virginia Military Institute in Lexington Kentucky yesterday.

And this is power play and -- and Chris -- And guess what the presidential election apparently was not over a few weeks ago it continues to progress and it back.

Now Mitt Romney seems to be leading in this race and the Obama Democrats and be on the defense.

I guess it's possible Bloomberg told me that -- the race was over when Mitt Romney said 47%.

Who we just kept doing the show and coming around because we figured hey what that -- Maybe something will change.

So we're gonna talk about.

The new landscape.

The point twelve election post -- looking forward to the vice presidential debate.

And I forgot to tell you Internet I should have told you this from the get go because it's a pretty big deal this is a one hour.

Power play today because we feel that you've -- you deserve a full hour of raw political excellence so will be doing that we will also talk about big -- yes -- the -- We will discuss big bird and his relevance to the political discussion but we have a hilarious and let's talk about that.

We're gonna do energy policy with the democratic congressman we're gonna talk about Medicare we're gonna talk about that deficit and how those things affect the race.

And we will also have PowerPoint controls -- -- so that's I would say pretty broad an hour and what better way to begin round.

And rocking steady -- -- with Stephen KC's senior writer for the weekly standard.

He is in fact if I may submit brother -- And stepped into position.

Real credence in this -- -- twelve election not only because Wisconsin is so important.

And you're very well sourced inside.

Certainly Brian world but -- world in general.

In your stuff was always must reading but now it's.

It's every it's.

Thank you and that record is to send it to my mom please do you actually emailed it to me to read if you think -- he told me to say thanks so I don't know I'm just going and happy birthday.

If you if you -- with my mom's birthday what's and a Nancy -- fancy case this case very happy birthday from everybody here -- the I'm -- she's likely to tell everybody that she's turning fifty today congratulations.

And congratulations.

Either -- that your latest fifty per.

OK so I was teasing at the beginning about I know we were told and we knew that it was wrong at the time.

That going into the debates and Romney was a sure loser -- What is been -- thing though is to look at the rationalizations.

That have taken place -- why.

-- race was not really over.

That Mitt Romney lie -- that certainly that the president was distracted by other things.

And his mind open.

Or my personal favorite is.

He just -- too much about policy and -- and was not prepared to be in a firefight with.

A smooth political operator -- like Willard M Romney.

And it's been kind of funny to -- It has been in the same people who are saying that he was not prepared to be in this firefight with -- with Mitt Romney.

Not because he's grown he's so smooth and he's so good -- so practiced so we're just days earlier saying you know is bumbling that this campaign is falling apart can't get control so yeah you see rather dramatic change -- opinion around rather dramatic change of fortunes in the race.

All right so let's take a look now it's real clear politics average of polls.

The currently says Barack Obama 47 point nine.

-- -- 47 point four and that's half point difference.

And those polls just couple weeks ago were edging out to a five point -- night.

For the president and holding pretty consistently there we have also -- -- things we have swing state -- In Michigan and Pennsylvania -- and thinks they polling in Michigan Pennsylvania suddenly shows this a race that looked like in these are called blue wall states.

These -- states that really sense the Reagan era for it had been totally reliable democratic votes.

And you're talking here when you include Minnesota and when you include Wisconsin.

Michigan as -- -- looking at my hundred.

-- more than a hundred electoral votes and this is -- this -- Democrats could win for those state.

To be in -- suggest something -- is we Republicans -- all the Republicans have been reluctant since the Reagan years to really write those states up to the Michigan and Pennsylvania they want to play.

In Michigan and Pennsylvania there always these temptations for Republican campaigns presidential campaigns -- -- -- Michigan to go into Pennsylvania McCain spent some time which can fighting machine -- before they ultimately decided that it wasn't competitive but if these polls are correct and there there was a Michigan pulled Detroit Free Press poll that President Obama up 34845.

600 likely voters over Romney if if that is correct I mean that is really extraordinary turnaround because Obama have been up ten.

And I just a month ago -- it suggests to me that if the races that played Michigan it is also tightened considerably in places like Ohio.

We have swing state Poland now says that in -- -- -- -- I would think that that that would be true as well and it can't and I'm still skeptical about Pennsylvania.

At all really competitive the Republicans have gotten -- he did they get a little neat little too excited elderly individual purchase cigarettes -- -- -- -- From peanuts but who holds the football and -- takes away from program each time the Republicans -- Tom Ridge is gonna campaign with us and we're gonna Pennsylvania -- -- -- in the end it's like.

World -- around -- it's true although I have.

This sending in defensive that the Republicans were maybe getting to a little over exuberant about that the recent polling in Pennsylvania -- the senate race there has been.

Closer in some recent polling and then one might expect closer I don't I'm not.

Pretty -- point wiped out right right which is what everybody had assumed it was and at a time there was a poll a candidate six and I still think that's.

As you know huge uphill climb but did you know it's not totally crazy that the polls have -- on the presidential.

Level in Pennsylvania I just think it's it's probably.

Insurmountable.

Well OK so how about this the some word the president.

-- what I wrote about in power play.

I read it I voted for you Internet because I wanted you to have it is I think you're swell.

And that you could have if you follow me Twitter you can also yell at me or praise Steve Ford you would have you wanna do -- these -- -- and you get the power play right there.

But part of the challenge the Democrats -- -- the example -- -- seemed to be having this cycle.

Is that and I've made a funny and said that he did well George W.

Bush was miss underestimated.

-- Obama has been -- overestimate that.

There rationale for what is going on here.

Ask me what the president was and -- Who -- -- or something something -- and presidents out and telling donors in San Francisco I very much intend to win this election I'm pretty competitive.

We -- not have to be saying that four weeks from the election right.

-- I think that's right and to a certain extent this this does go back to the I think it's I think the fact that.

Particularly mainstream media have put him on this pedestal -- it's as if he's untouchable on the fact that he's.

Then so competitive -- leading now in national polls for thorough -- good while here in spite of the conditions on the ground in spite of what we've seen happening overseas spite of the economic conditions.

Suggest -- to too many people sort of conventional wisdom is that.

That this race was over because Barack Obama was defying gravity then he would defied gravity tomorrow and he would defy gravity and the members it.

Magical thinking that is the phrase that we use to describe it politics truth and board knows the Republicans have engaged in a lead off.

A lot and lost a lot of this little something I like to call.

Republican nominee Newt Gingrich there's been a lot of magical -- that is taking place this year for Republicans but currently looks like the Democrats are the ones were engaged a little bit of that right I think so I mean certainly the -- -- it sets up these next three debates the VP debate.

Later this week in the two presidential debates as potentially very important before you go tell us you've done some tremendous reporting about -- -- there was peace in your competitor.

Outlet the it's rhymes with national -- you.

That -- talk about Ryan's debate preparation death at that believe that the -- Nutten resort Brett and that he did you know there -- like taking this seriously.

And don't part is there a danger for a guy like Ryan who is.

Competitor and who is very disciplined and very serious that he gets in that he shows up at least two wound up for his chew over her.

Oh yeah we do remember that ended the first Reagan Mondale debate Reagan what did it did it -- both job and he's he later said look I over trained I have too many facts and figures I don't think that's a problem all right and the thing that there was that an -- -- piece was quite good about -- -- reporting.

That talk about this is that he praises this friendly rival friendly rivalry really -- And there was a political piece that talked about how ranch preparing for this -- and and that's where the consensus of the two pieces if I can oversimplify it was that Ryan needs to to sort of be aware of the fact that he's walking really guarding against that in the political -- -- reported that Ryan was getting advice.

To avoid talking about the role of government American lives we just say unequivocally that is the worst advice to.

Possibly yeah.

Asked to call for -- Paul Ryan will ignore it he's not going to not talk about the role of government secondly.

That's what he's comfortable doing and while it is the case that he can get to want the if you're gonna do anything it debate it's better to be -- wanted -- to be uncomfortable try to be something that you're not.

Be yourself make your arguments on them.

The here's here's the deal the Internet -- -- your -- very happy birthday which is very nice to pass that along their -- their sweet people and -- -- says -- Tuesdays with Stephen FAA's -- So you bring in Jonah and Janet didn't have a -- -- -- and I would have actually won I would maybe -- whom you but I definitely throws by the those guys just this -- with the -- start also I -- -- -- yeah I mean I have that was the only looks good if I'm not put it needed it.

Because we thank you very much thank you -- OK there are more guarantees ahead.

Fear not it's true we can deliver on that and here's why Trevor dean says so I -- Do you find it sad that big bird is an actual political topic despite the real top level issues we have to deal with as a nation presently.

Yes but that will not stop us from talking about it is the subject so take heart will be depressed whatever it is our largest feathered friend.

Is right around the corner so stick around.

Has the guts to speak his -- big bird big -- big bird at its -- It -- being -- a menace to our economy.

It's not -- you have to worry about it's Sesame Street.

-- would you like to talk about something other than last Wednesday's debate -- the polls.

Well certainly the Obama campaign -- she would like to -- perhaps she would like to talk about the children's television workshop Sesame Street and are.

Finest and largest feathered friend big bird.

This is our life.

So the discussion about.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting the subsidy it receives from taxpayers it's income and all of these things have become a discussion not just because.

Mitt Romney did what Republicans usually don't you which -- -- Jim Myers face about PBS and funding for PBS in the debate.

But because in fact it allows people.

And I'm not naming any names here.

Two gratuitously talk about beloved childhood figures on their Internet television chips.

So let's talk about this that big -- is the word.

Wish that I -- Fella you know him.

Getting to know him quite well he's president of -- and that is the recruiting arm.

The Republican the vast right wing conspiracy they're out there seeking.

Folks to run for lower level officers training them.

And getting them in the pipeline to build -- Republican bench and he is also as his appropriately colored tie would -- in West Virginia and NN.

Chocolate shop who you love with the Internet delights in who also has sometimes a -- but now you're going full -- -- that next how I have -- It's he has -- -- sure.

-- shot is.

The president of solidarity strategies and he's the director of the Latino project act but he is former senior advisor John Edwards.

And a guy who labor looks to for political advice and directions welcome -- -- into law absolutely so the issue is this.

You had in big bird a great distraction for the Obama campaign is right now.

Did the president's trying to get his base on we meet up and tell them we can do this I'm -- to do better on Wednesday we're gonna come back background he's a liar and all these other things.

But Mitt Romney's decision to talk about big bird.

Certainly gave an opportunity for the president's campaign to talk about something else right absolutely.

So if you ask the American public.

Where -- Libya is or who Bernie Madoff is back to that commercial a lot of people don't know that in swing states these 100000 people who make an experiment as a big Curtis.

So whether right or wrong or in different it is a distraction is a distraction that people least know who yes.

And actually Smart campaigning if you have such -- poor performance as President Obama did in the debate it's a good distraction Mitt Romney get them out.

And -- -- you well.

Not surprising that governor Romney had big bird on his mind giving he was debating Oscar the Grouch.

Uh oh.

When they see that's what we talk about canned -- last week that people think of lines of the agreements today so I'm -- you start let it.

Okay it is true look at it and debate where governor Romney lays out a five point plan and talks about ways that he wants to work with congress to get jobs created the president has to do what he can only because he has no record to run on.

He asked to try to you law they're going to be -- -- stimulate that.

Bit talking about Bieber and his little -- Romney's -- line that you could tell that he was very excited to deliver about big bird.

Did open the door right it again it as let me a quote that -- paraphrase here.

But the president's that a few years here if you don't have a record to run on you trying to make fun of your opponent you mock your opponent paraphrasing this and run negative ads the president tried it has been -- all the president.

Has been held up on this OK so here's what the RNC.

Said in response let's take a look at this now.

I like count on count and here you have you see in this graphic this side by side you have.

One the reason that the President Obama did not win counted on account is back the Republicans are trying to do.

Laugh.

Back -- the Democrats and talk about the president didn't talk about this and counted the number of things that he didn't count.

That's all they can do -- -- Yeah I mean when you look at this is a long haul we both noticed -- on these campaigns and presidential campaigns we've all been here working in politics and it's a distraction it's distracts us not bad today.

Campaigns -- long drawn out process is is going to be peaks there's going to be -- they're gonna draw the distinctions and you see something like big murder podcast -- -- -- very small blip on the screen at the end of the -- people have to make real decisions between these two guys in just a few states in just a small electorate in a couple places -- gonna make the real difference is going to be -- coming right down the -- But every day that we're not talking about the unemployment even though it's come down and every -- we're not talking about the economy that's the only silver bullet.

That Mitt Romney has and we're winning we're we're not having that discussion.

-- Did say but as voters and as we have seen in the last few days as persuaded both voters in Virginia and Colorado.

We want to find a candidate that has any real plan.

To get our economy moving.

Governor Romney's putting that out there vs contrast that with what we've had the last four years under President Obama and the reality is this president has shown he doesn't know he doesn't have the policies nor know what to do.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Negative 750000.

Job losses when he took office 230 sustainable months of job growth whether it be the numbers you water you won't either want it this job growth are so -- -- being -- -- cases on this point.

Dispute cases going.

This great West Virginia that's a very big word -- -- are smaller war and you know I don't know I don't know whether it's all kinds of numbers at the eastern and but I'll say this as the president governor Romney is doing a very good job -- talking to people about his plan and more importantly he's also talking to folks about the fact that when he was governor of Massachusetts he was able to work across party lines to get legislation passed and that's what.

These persuade -- -- voters in the swing states are looking for a government that would be competent.

President Obama has shown he can't -- incompetent government.

Governor Romney -- something -- interest is this the Nickelodeon the Viacom property.

Is doing kids -- which is like we remember when.

We were youngsters they used to the weekly reader.

Which no one would ever know what that is anymore but weekly reader with a little -- -- -- -- little guys remember I'm sure you're old you're old or older than me easy they -- But they the truth is that it was fun when you were bred to go through.

And they have mock presidential election inside the weekly reader and at statements from the candidates.

And here's what Ronald Reagan says and here's what -- Mondale says and it was fun.

So Nickelodeon tries to replicate that experience for our kids this year and did that and president Obama's participating.

The ground is not participating is -- Nickelodeon on the kids for a and what's funny I think in this is chuck if you want to talk.

To swing state -- Kids issues and talking to kids is an interest -- way to do it -- that.

You don't like being -- or wherever else.

Exit we go back to things that people understand and bringing it down to a common denominator and -- mothers we talked about that the soccer moms and then we have.

The grisly moments and then we had all these -- Vermont is -- reason why that's been caused the -- And always resisted calls -- are important if you go to any man.

And I look -- every time you go to command he's got sick let me go west -- while before he makes any major decision because that's how -- how.

Houses are run and a lot of this new politics as well a woman doing a lot of work out there taking care of the children take care of the house and normally these days have a job as well.

So that's very important when you talk about.

Working men working women issues that's executive retirement these women are running all of.

-- chuck we'll stipulate here and that women are smarter and work harder than men absolutely think this is this -- we know that's true absolutely this is true because if we don't say that will probably be in trouble with somebody.

All right so the -- here's island mysteries that standard and talked about this topic Internet because I knew -- would get -- chance and it did.

-- read this says ask yourself these big bird too big to fail.

Which -- life.

I thought I had gutsy lady Griffin says I'm sorry but how much people how much money are people willing to pay for help for elbows.

-- Elmo etc.

I think big -- would be just -- welfare.

A Trevor dean says big -- vs true production.

Who wins and that productive I'd say gets the edge because it's different animals stuffed inside of itself -- I don't think in a big bird would go for that.

And then the associated says you can't really speak for the wild after living on TV for so long he'll never make it past an excuse.

And that's probably these big yellow target it's not that stay on how to make it out there not -- -- out there.

Gentlemen we have you have every week we hope you enjoy -- what will be an awesome vice presidential debate we thank you for being.

They presented okay here's your gonna -- Internet usually ready to roll into the second half hour of this very special edition of this very special.

Internet television show we've got -- democratic congressman from New York re talking about natural gas and energy policy he knows a lot of stuff about -- -- he's gonna share that with you we have an -- and all about Medicare and -- -- ahead in your man Jim Angle will be here we've got -- point we've got Charles I don't know Internet we should maybe have two hours.

Maybe our -- to Iraq.

And that.

-- -- Hydraulic fracturing in wish water and some other stuff.

Gets blasted down into the crust of the earth to break -- geological formations.

And forced out.

And make available deep pockets of natural gas.

And this is power play and fracking or hydraulic fracturing is a big issue these days because in fact.

For both Democrats and Republicans.

The abundant natural gas that is -- shale gas the -- that deep natural gas that is available process Alaska.

Into the Adirondack Mountains places like Western New York.

Could be the key to US energy independence and certainly.

Has brought down dramatically the price of natural gas which is good news -- to -- -- to their homes.

But is this a good energy policy is it sustainable.

Is it being done the right way.

-- those questions so you know what we should talk to Paul Lanka he is a Democrat.

He is a representative.

It from the State of New York.

He is on the energy committee and he has done a lot on this subject and he joins us via Skype congressman how we -- And your workers could be -- -- -- there are a little better.

Hello -- Internet says the Internet back.

All right so congressman.

You have.

You New York is a unique state on this issue because not only.

And your position is unique because not only are you part of -- national energy policy in the house.

But New York State this has been a big issue because there -- considerable shale gas reserves in your state.

But people are concerned about contaminated water tables and other things that are there that opponents say might derive.

From doing this in New York State as a -- in fact and hydraulic fracturing while other states like Pennsylvania.

West Virginia Virginia and others have have really gone after it.

So good breaks -- -- where does the situation stand sure.

Well Chris I think yeah year -- right in suggesting that down shale natural gas me be an abundance supply.

In New York I think it's important for us do you look at the big picture.

And to move through steadfastly in a way that enables us.

To be very thoughtful and very substantive.

With an -- focused on laser sharp planning.

As we move forward.

Now I'm one of those who submits to the notion that we're going to transition.

In the next decade are you are mutually -- economy.

Primate fossil based oil economy.

I think that down that's rightful expectation and anticipation.

Ended April what you do -- New York State upstate New York is significantly poised for great -- We're the connector land if you will between a great -- that being that Atlantic.

And the Great Lakes the largest compilation of freshwater bodies in the world.

And so you know I think it's very important for us to keep in.

In the conversation front and center.

As a -- just as an engineer working in the House of Representatives.

I think it's important for us to be very academic very substantive and -- science prone as we move forward.

I -- that here in New York they're currently scrutinizing.

The request to -- quote.

Wind Hydro cracking.

Five passing it over or -- health test.

There's a debate as to whether -- not the department of health or independent body -- Should do that assessment but I think that having that assessment on public health is very important I think also we need to make certain that.

There is an understanding as we -- the media academics.

Health and safety there's a requirement for us to make certain.

That the communities that will be donor communities.

Need to have the resource it set aside.

By applicants are by the State of New York or by federal government whatever it might be.

But local government cannot endure the retrofitting that will be required to deal would be waste water.

And -- country and it's well yes.

With the the the president.

Has made natural gas in the presence of cheap natural gas a big part of when he talks about his energy policy something that he very much wants.

As this right created pressure on states municipalities localities to move ahead this do you think at a pace that is.

-- uncomfortable.

No I think what he's offering isn't all of the above strategy where we should have diversity in the fuel -- And I couldn't agree more I mean I watch what happens to you my hometown.

Which was a one industry town in -- manufacturing center.

As a meltdown.

-- -- -- -- Economic consequence of being reliant on one source.

Is you know he can be powerful when that sources that cheap source -- buying a lot of jobs.

It can be very devastating wind and it.

Price skyrockets.

And you know the supply demand relationship in a in economics -- say.

Will take holes and if we rely heavily on one -- source.

It could be devastating we need to have a healthy mix.

Natural gas or various other fuel source and renewables.

So that we go forward would be good compliment.

There.

It enables us to be sound in -- choices and stir.

Competitive qualities which sharpens the pencil and drives the bottom line benefit from consumer.

They get -- You know a lot depreciation and it lets us thanks very much.

-- my pleasure you know there is a lot of decision making to be done in the energy world.

Along with upgrading the grid so that we can interconnect a renewable sources that supplies in advancing battery development so that.

We can deal -- those.

Current renewable issues in a sound way -- we in store.

Intermittent power.

All right we're sort of.

-- government carrier -- we thank you very much every day.

Thank you Internet -- secrets.

-- -- OK -- do you feel like you understand this a little bit more comfortable if you're -- making -- of big bird which I think is kind of cool.

And there is breaking news and -- pointed out because my tank.

It is it is as loyal.

As a shelty -- out there helping us out.

And points out that Sesame Street has asked get past the Obama campaign to take down that ad that features big bird and does seem to make.

It looked like the most bird.

Is in fact.

A supporter of Barack Obama so they're asking them to take down.

And that's the that's that's the latest news.

So we've got more Smart stuff coming ahead for you because as you can see it's -- and we're still here.

So you better stick around after this because when we come back we're gonna talk about fiscal issues -- -- really shaping the debate and not just.

A few hundred million dollars for the children's television workshop -- PBS.

Will be talking about trillions with a T and how that could shape.

The discussion just stick around.

If you look back sixty years.

And you look at all the months we had with -- unemployment above 8% before -- Obama there were 39 months.

It -- sixty years -- the unemployment above 8% under this president have been 43 months under one the president alone.

He does not understand what it takes to create a real recovery I do.

That and you know perfectly well Internet is Mitt Romney he is running for president and he won the nomination of the Republican Party.

This hour -- welcome back as we -- the thunder into its second half hour of the big show today.

And so here's the question.

And this is a good question for you consider especially since we have -- vice presidential debate coming up on Thursday.

That's going on down in the part of the hillbilly firewall -- Campbell Kentucky.

Between Paul Ryan who is the leading budget hawk.

For the red team and Joseph Biden who is the vice president of the United States so these things are coming into perspective a little bit.

So it is your good fortune in mind and that we can welcome from New York from the mother ship on the fourteenth floor.

In New York -- -- She's a columnist for the fiscal times she's someone who I've ready for some for some long time and followed on Twitter atlas peak.

Because she's Smart and knows things.

And as someone who I expect also is Smart and knows things.

Is Eric you were -- is the associate publisher of social media Max.

And he said really -- -- Is that correct.

Really -- bomb really really have a -- I'm not that Smart not a Smart she is thank Kevin Love got back over where.

This is what we -- this is what we call managing expectation.

Yeah.

-- exactly and so here's a quiz question.

Key and a fiscal issues really -- used to good and David Brooks who is kind of a Republican I guess bill or something.

He he plays one on public broadcasting and the New York Times anyway.

And usually of this self losing streak but.

Ed piece today that said this is the moment.

For Mitt Romney to own Medicare to.

They have no fear and plunge ahead and talk about Medicare and talk about big fiscal issues in the debt that's facing the country.

And air we're gonna let you go first since you have.

-- -- -- -- Good.

-- hit hit hit here's the issue is is that.

Most of the country does not understand the complexity is of some of the grander issues what everybody does understand is how much it cost of -- that gas tank.

-- what their house is worth -- and if they have a job or not so I don't.

I don't think.

It fits the moment this season I think it's the moment where suddenly you know the -- think I was here Romney was all the way behind -- now suddenly he's pulled even so.

I think this is the moment the find out who's gonna pull ahead next week.

Kids so -- we like -- you are dated for power play I can see that because you aren't you engaging in the kind of cynical political discourse that we rely on.

-- here on the big show but Liz.

Is there a way.

For Romney to talk about these issues.

In such a fashion that it is not become -- to fine I don't care how good Paul Ryan's PowerPoint presentation as I do not -- because in the end.

These issues become -- the fine.

No -- I think they do it except when you put it in the context of first of all Americans rank.

Our debt and deficits as almost a high concern.

As unemployment and getting jobs so this is not an issue that is off the table Americans get it.

That we have seen the first credit downgrade for the United States in our history.

They get it that our position around the world is enhanced and it could be weakened by dint of our fiscal position.

I think you're totally right that we cannot get with Ryan cannot get into the weeds on Medicare.

But he has got to confront the the caricature.

Of his proposals and platform.

As being something that really endangers our citizens our senior citizens and that's something that both Biden and Obama have been out there with since Ryan got on the ticket they have misrepresented his views.

And the Republicans came back pretty successfully talking about how Obama care.

Was gonna -- 700 billion dollars out of Medicare that's something that he can pursue -- -- to keep it.

Very real my view is he should talk about doctors and how.

Obamacare is going to be taking money away from doctors away from hospitals how can they possibly think that's not -- to impact care.

In other words make it very personal very real don't get into I agreed you don't get into the flow charts in the stats -- he's an honor.

Erica here's something that's both -- -- -- and development.

For Democrats.

They used to enjoy it was -- -- -- total dominance on the issue of Medicare because they -- on two fronts.

Today told people that they wouldn't it was inviolate.

They've never -- it that it was absolutely sacrosanct fences security we're totally sacrosanct they were going to be okay because Democrats we're gonna do what was necessary.

To keep them that way and then they enjoyed a -- -- probably as a result of that on that subject that people said -- -- -- who do you trust more to deal with entitlements.

People felt like the party that was more compassionate to the needs of the war did better but they've lost the first -- and then now because of the president's health loss in 2010.

That did Alter the way Medicare works they've lost that first part -- -- that its -- Isn't yet allow the president's health -- don't nobody understands including I've read -- and five times.

-- an adult yet the whole album I what I wanted to -- what he are.

But knowing the -- -- at 55.

Don't get it all I -- a five time I was joking I happy I am.

-- Smart enough -- to understand a document bit.

I don't think anybody who voted on that -- even rats off a week and yet it's got -- -- the reality of medical care in this country it's thanks for the doctors.

It's things for the patients it safe for the insurance companies everybody's losing money -- -- our healthcare system period and you know.

We can debate all we want about the budget about the deficit.

-- here's the deal that everybody can understand you got to credit card.

If you can't pay what you -- want your credit card in any given month you shouldn't be spending that money.

Puree it and that story so let's all just deal with reality when we're trying to for you know friends today.

-- now you've violated now we have to deal with reality.

So I don't think Democrats ever want to deal with reality reality is Medicare going bust and that is something that they just don't want to confront her at all.

So then you really kind of play into Ryan's proposals which -- to basically change for future generations how Medicare set up.

What what people do understand.

Is that this is not a program that's gonna be there for your children -- your grandchildren and I think that's a very.

Powerful.

Argument I also by the way think that Brian can frame the discussion of Medicare.

In terms of how he has worked across the -- he does after all have a Democrat who signed -- to one of his earlier proposals on Medicare reform.

Rock widen.

And that's a very important thing that came out of the Romney debate I mean.

One of the things that -- I think has now raided them.

-- Romney a more highly on is his ability to work across the Iowa we've seen from Obama is he has no -- ability.

Now Eric how does for the Democrats the goal here has to be I would assume to maximize their advantage on the party of compassion.

To talk about ways in which that they are going to take care of people because that's.

That sort of they're (%expletive) that's the deal.

And what guys as.

Joseph Biden goes into the debate.

Is the job is his primary task on Thursday in Kentucky.

To either point out what he says are -- this is inside the Ryan and it certainly Ron Wyden -- was on that plan that was just mentioned.

Is it and -- did his job to prosecute all right where is it his job more importantly talk about how if you said.

You're gonna care for people and how you can improve their.

Well you I don't think -- many of these debates between now.

And everybody on my side -- readily admit we've we've just got killed in the first debate.

And I think what he better not.

Loses bad you know as Obama did in the first debate at the otherwise I thought we got a lot of momentum swinging against us but I but I but I believe -- the president and the vice president have to not be on the attack they have to speak in terms of apathy.

And looking at like for the winds of the -- -- they can do Batman event will be speaking directly to people not a -- -- kind of everybody sick of this attack each other.

Nobody can figure out what the facts are everybody -- at least half.

The advertising is is filled with.

I don't dismiss it and had a history back and everybody's checking every fact that every -- that some of Karzai about efforts to about half of -- -- trail.

-- -- I think both of their jobs but President Obama and then Biden are gonna try to speaking in terms that the that the -- can relate them.

OK so I'm Liz we know what -- I shouldn't do as you describe that you don't wanna just be a a -- agitation.

This -- of this litany of data points you don't -- to try to be the human PowerPoint but he can't bring his long she's -- good.

Can't bring this can't bring his -- with them because I think the rules say that you can't have you can't do tag team debating so what what should he be doing how should he be talking about.

Well don't read Joseph can't bring his dad so I mean it's kind of an even even thing there and -- -- brings his dad and almost every conversation any probably will.

I think it -- -- Ryan I would really address this issue of who has most benefited.

The middle class Biden of course made that -- about how the middle class has been buried in the last four years and he really wasn't far off the mark.

Income for middle class Americans has actually gone down in real terms and that's a pretty staggering thought in the midst of what is supposed to -- -- recovery so.

If I -- Ryan I would talk about.

In the middle class how his policies and Romney's might benefit the middle class and I would most.

Particularly go after small business owners because today we had news that for the fourth month or fifth month in a row.

The national independent of the federation of independent businesses.

Saw their confidence level go down small business has been a group that has been really increasingly.

Unhappy with the Obama administration because of all the rules and regulations and taxes that are coming through Obama care.

And and I think Ryan can really kind of hone in on that if it's small businesses against you and if those are the job creators.

Really how clean your policies be deemed to be to be helpful and I.

You know I I had it if our Ryan I have a couple of small business people that he could.

Kind of conjure up and talk about how this person decided against expansion -- this -- -- the layoff people.

You know I I think that's very powerful -- that but that's the.

-- I couldn't wait Eric air wait.

You got to go first she gets to I thank you that's that's all that there was that's all that that's all of the excellence that it and wish that the Internet and managed today.

-- -- every bit as Smart as I thought you would be container you sold yourself short tremendously.

Tremendously tremendously so we thank you both for your time thank you that's very good -- to -- -- you.

-- bad -- I'm glad that held true here's what Rick Sanchez.

We're bringing back Paul tomko.

-- -- congressman from the court battery development.

But -- 150 million dollars for a plant.

That has never produced a battery.

That is something China can send us so there you have -- so there you have it OK so you know who else is Smart and knows a lot about fiscal issues he is the traffic cop.

When it comes to debt deficit spending and all that's.

All that stuff here in the Washington bureau Fox News it's Jim Angle.

You like -- a lot he'll be here when we come back and therefore you should stick around.

15% of hospitals and nursing homes say they won't take any more Medicare patients under that scenario.

We also have 50% of doctors who say they won't take more Medicare patients.

That -- Mitt Romney again in the debate with that guy you may have heard of President Obama.

Last week as he prosecuted the president for what he said was a massive cut.

To Medicare which is.

The most popular entitlement program of well -- securities probably more popular -- people so many senior citizens millions and millions of older folks do rely on Medicare for there health -- and anytime you start talking about it folks tend to get anxious.

So what is the truth.

But Mitt Romney's charge.

This is power play and we will explain that.

Because thank god we have Jim Angle who is here whom.

And we as I said -- the traffic cop on matters at that deficit spending and all of that stuff -- Washington because when we get carried away or stop -- -- this is the human weed -- That gets in there.

So what is the truth or what is the falsity.

Governor Romney's attacks on Barack Obama on this cuts Medicare.

Well here's the deal.

No one disputes the 716.

-- number -- the dispute is over where there it is.

Cuts to Medicare or whether it is savings in Medicare which is what the president argues.

Now the the fact is is that Romney is backed up not only by the Congressional Budget Office but also by the actuaries.

At Medicare.

Who have.

Issued their opinion and released -- -- I think your viewers to be able to see which shows that the reimbursement.

In Medicare.

He is going to go down below Medicaid.

Which is health care for the poor and it's not usually accepted at places you -- to -- you cannot get a doctor it is very difficult in fact listen to this assessment from John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis.

So the senior citizen will be less desirable than the welfare mother two doctors.

And when that happens seniors are gonna find long waits for care they're gonna find it very difficult to find.

Doctors who will save them and facilities who have met them.

Home yeah.

-- -- the president knows CBO found the same thing -- sort of roundabout -- -- had the actuary at Medicare saying.

What John Goodman just said the administration continues say no no no those are not -- -- -- subsidies and overpayments to the insurance companies.

Now oddly enough Goodman found.

The president who.

Is com's constantly blaming the insurance companies.

Some he is planning to cut Medicare Advantage which is warning for seniors participates in.

It is run by the insurance companies.

-- back pretty close to what Paul Ryan is going to offers fairly similar.

The president it's planning to cut it by about half cut the beneficiaries by about half.

But that's later that's -- right now he is offering them bonuses.

Bonuses to keep people enrolled to keep seniors happy.

Before the elections come after the elections beginning next -- -- the cuts will come right now the all these insurance companies that he blames.

He's offering bonuses to now that not that the election year as anything nothing know nothing politics whatever the.

That's cynical politics -- -- have a question about the more I have a much more important question but where is our as the clock runs down here.

So the University of Texas lost WVU.

-- Last week.

I think WV used it first trip to Austin they lost.

And I'm I'm sorry about that is I know you have your masters from -- But my question is yet -- undergraduate degree from Texas Tech and we've got to play WVU.

This week how do you feel about that where does that leave you.

Well I would have to and then in this sort of judicious manner that few questions about Congressional Budget Office in the -- -- of Medicare I have to say that I hope Texas today kicks that this.

You know got enough stuff yes exactly that's not the word that they necessarily -- it Wentworth but we appreciated if that is about it.

Okay Internet.

Here's the deal for you here's what you.

-- know what you want to know is that there is much more excellence coming your way throughout the rest of the programming day here live at foxnews.com.

And that's good you should also know this that it's time for a few power points OK so the power points today -- about the echo chamber.

Now Democrats are freaking out right now.

And freaking out.

Is it very easy to do because of win the world view that you believe in for Republicans it was before that -- that Barack Obama could win because the economy was bad.

And then when Mitt Romney started losing ground they freaked out.

So freaking out it's totally understandable that just happens it just happens in politics and right now.

Democrats are it's their turn to freak out -- the pole shift against them but his second PowerPoint.

Rationalizing.

Is the easy way out.

And I credit Republicans with this when they had their freak out about Mitt Romney they could not rationalize except from -- a little bit got a little carried away talking about the polls or unfair and arguing with the polls.

But in large part they agreed that Mitt Romney wasn't getting his message across and he wasn't doing it effectively and they talked about the need to do that they confronted reality right now Democrats are rationalize and their way trying to rationalize that we have a problem which is sitting president could feel good.

Debater he was.

Worried about something else or Mitt Romney made up stories or whatever else.

Rationalizing is not -- because it prevents you from addressing serious problems that you may have so don't do it.

So here's the third PowerPoint.

And this is something we've been saying all along this is a far more fluid race than previously thought remember -- -- elections work -- -- static race up until the very end.

That when I decided to persuade the voters plug it.

Things can -- pretty fast and we've already seen the up and down back and forth almost -- nine or ten point swing that we've had over the course of three weeks.

This is just getting interest did so you know what you got to do got to keep hearing about it is we'll tell you what's gonna happen next you thank you very much for your time.

Okay one thing you should know as we will have coverage -- we will be back.

For debate coverage on Thursday night it's gonna start I believe at 830 your goal.

845 to accommodate thirty comedy 45 on Thursday there's -- rippled around the back I'll be back -- -- a lot of Smart stuff to be said you'll enjoy that.

That's good coming up around that we've got bias bash with Ellen Ratner coming bashing from the left it's not liking the bias that she sees you'll enjoy that.

And now.

As we'd like to do every day we want to leave you with the word from our friends sure.

This Obama's trying to throw a lot of money.

At negating the effect of the debate by calling.

Romney a liar which is interest in after a string of other excuses.

-- moderator the stresses of office and meet the demands like appearing on the view.

And raising a lot of money and Hollywood and of course altitude.

So now it's that -- is a liar and Obama was so shocked by the -- that he couldn't speak on his own.

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