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    K.T. McFarland examines the national security issues affecting our country.

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To Defcon three I'm KT McFarland and this is a show where every week we -- a little deeper into the national security issues of the day and -- -- we have a lot of issues to talk about.

-- what you got to join the conversation to you can find me on Twitter -- KT McFarland or join our live chat right here below the video window.

I always love to get your questions and comments have sent him right now.

-- first step today out of her DC bureau is bill Kerr is she's a senior editor.

At the Washington free began on his Twitter handle is at Bill Kurtz and I wanted to talk about.

The on -- -- hearings that are currently -- -- a fact Al.

While you and -- -- came out who we're monitoring those hearings are important hearings started noon today.

Investigating the situation and the assassinations and -- Ben -- who knew what.

Why was security not provided and how it went down we may dip in and out of those hearings -- some important information comes out that.

I want to ask you you've followed this story right from the beginning was trying to.

Well clearly I think the unraveling of the Obama administration's initial story is the story behind the story.

What.

Was the motivation behind -- staying that this.

Assault involving dozens of attackers was somehow -- spontaneous demonstration.

And why -- at the request -- greater security heated.

Well what do you think is -- -- political -- they weren't here.

Yes oh absolutely.

You know I've covered Washington for a long time.

You know all administrations live by this administration lies better than most and it was clear to me that there was a political motivation.

I did a piece for the free -- can just recently that talked about.

Intelligence officials who said that.

Intelligence on the al-Qaeda the growing al-Qaeda threat in both Egypt and Libya was suppressed because it didn't fit with the Obama administration narrative that al-Qaeda was on the decline that's really what's behind this.

Well -- ending answer down the following question for me.

If there -- all of these requests from various parts of the embassy that was the security people the ambassador himself.

Said that he was targeted by al-Qaeda there had been previous attacks on the embassy previous attacks on the British ambassador.

Who -- made the decision and Washington not to honor that request for additional security.

Well my guess would be it's the seventh floor of the State Department or.

Beyond that at the NSC staff level and my understanding of the national security.

Crisis management system.

Currently in place under the -- -- administration is that.

There's a heavy reliance on one or two people at the White House national security advisor Tom -- and -- job Jarrett the advisor to the president.

And it's very much coordinated with that Chicago.

Reelection campaign so there -- probably was some coordination there.

Then the question is what was happening on the seventh floor of the State Department where secretary of state Hillary Clinton is in charge and she has.

A number of aides who would be advising her on what to do and what to say.

But Rick and bill why do you their Washington for a -- times they've got to assume like you said that the decisions were made at the highest level.

What happens next there's a house committee hearings as we just mention.

That are ongoing today they've called some whistle blowers they're hearing testimony from some career bureaucrat -- several server and -- -- Professional security people but what's the next step but all this is it just go away.

No I mean clearly the first step is to figure out what happened and I think we're getting some of that with a hearing today where they talked about.

How the attack unfolded what kind of security was in place there were only a handful of officers security people nearby.

The quick reaction force was unable to deter this large attack.

So once you find out what happened.

Then the next question is too.

Well how did this story come out.

At the senior levels of the administration that this was a spontaneous demonstration against an online video and those are the real important questions.

That the congress needs to dig down into they need to get answers from the top officials from the White House and especially from those of secretary of state and the people around her.

Do you think this has the potential down the road -- -- and other Watergate.

Well it's been dubbed Ben Ghazi gate on line.

Clearly it's a scandal there's no question in my mind that.

There were people who screwed up.

And those people should be held accountable I think that's that's the key factor here.

I don't want to switch gears a little bit and asking you Britain also about this cyber attacks that are -- -- -- on the White House cyber attacks on the Pentagon.

-- cyber attacks on the defense industry.

What are -- cyber attacks in who's causing them.

Well we've had in the past couple of weeks we've had a couple of major cyber attacks I think the most significant one was a story that I broke.

Last week about hackers originating in China most likely linked to the Chinese Government were able to break in two.

The White House military office.

Arguably the most sensitive government computer network in the government because.

This is where all of the president's travel all senior administration communications are coordinated.

And most significantly.

Nuclear command and control codes are capped.

Now the White House spin on this -- it was an unclassified network -- clearly from what I'm told by US intelligence officials.

Hackers were able to get inside this system and once they're inside that means every bit of information in there which was very sensitive even if -- was unclassified.

Which would lead to other types of attacks -- more sensitive and perhaps classified system.

-- two questions can we protect against this what defensive measures could we take so that.

Each other governments -- hacking into Norris and secondly if -- -- -- governments that are hacking into the as you just pointed out some of the most sensitive information.

What are they gonna use -- for.

Well there's two -- -- one is.

-- cyber espionage to steal secrets and information.

The other is what they call cyber reconnaissance this is preparation of the battlefield for a future conflict.

How do you deal with that you know.

The Internet is basically a lawless environment and efforts to use defense is our very difficult.

Ultimately what's going to be required is they're going to have to go on the offense.

They're getting better at this so called attribution that is being able to Trace.

The origin -- an attack and once they Trace the origin they should go to that server they should go to that computer and zap it and basically shut it down.

Once they start doing that it will -- a greater deterrent effect on future attacks.

But then I read bandwagon you know when you say cyber espionage -- what could they do what this source of things somebody could do with the kind of information and -- Well I mean days you'd be.

-- intelligence committee report on the two Chinese companies that was made public yesterday.

Really revealed that there is what they called an onslaught and ongoing onslaught of cyber espionage by China.

The amount of information that has been -- it is staggering and and strategically significant including design details on.

The F 35 jet fighter just to name one but we've had attacks on defense contractors we saw the White House attack.

Now we're seeing a -- threat which is.

-- -- Cyber attacks on banks so it's this is really kind of a low level conflict.

Where anything can no memory do you tell me talked about a rainy and cyber attack Sunday we know for example that.

We the -- -- maybe Israel maybe the United States have used cyber attacks on the Iranian nuclear industry so is this their retaliation.

There's a connection.

According to US officials in the know on this.

The Iranians have threatened to respond.

To the western efforts to shut down their nuclear facilities.

And basically.

As a result of that the Iranians are launching cyber attacks on western targets including banks we saw some.

New York banks in the New York Stock Exchange.

It's not clear whether they were successful but a recent joint staff report said that.

These cyber attacks combined with Iran's support for terrorism.

Were signs that.

That Tehran is engaged in a Covert war on the west.

-- I also -- the guy who -- always what's your read every morning first thing you've always sort of -- year old little bit ahead of whatever the story is the national security story that we're all going to be wearing green reading about the next day or two.

What's on your back burner what do you think's going to happen next and then -- -- world.

Well there's a lot going on as you -- I am working on a big story related to space.

Weapons and that will be coming out in the near future.

So in other words it's scary stuff kicks off the ground under -- and already -- fans can even get -- over again with space weapons.

Yes that's wrong with cyber attacks and terrorism in.

We have a possible conflict between Japan and China over the same -- -- irons and things are heating up.

Well I felt like you're in business for a lot of times they have to come back.

Thanks so much Phil for joining us that's Bill Kurtz of the Washington retreat and critics comeback average take a break now -- -- -- back in parts ambassador.

Mark Wallace -- you -- -- US ambassador United Nations and a guy who's been working for years to try to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Hi welcome back to -- country and KT McFarland and -- -- -- -- -- gonna show at this very moment the house lawmakers are holding their own hearings on Capitol Hill.

About what went wrong and Ben Ghazi Al one -- its authority testifying.

That security at the US consulate -- Ben Ghazi was terribly inadequate despite their request for more security now this tells -- how the mile from the state of reverend earlier.

What officials there said they are concluded that deadly attack.

On the Ben -- at embassy or consulate was a spontaneous reaction to an anti Islam.

Big film despite what they -- UN ambassador Susan Rice has said our chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge is on this as usual.

And she's got more -- and what it looks right out of the hearings right now.

Well thanks KT I think I'm just gonna dispense with the script I had for you because I want to give you three bullet points of what's been happening really in about the last half an hour.

First and foremost we've had testimony before the government oversight committee.

-- a report that we did at fox on September 28 which is at the consulate in Ben Ghazi.

Did not meet specific physical security standards.

It would have been classified as a post where there's a high likelihood of a terrorist attack or civil unrest and in the State Department that classification.

Has a series of measures that are connected to it but this was waved in the case of the -- Ghazi consulate.

A number two we heard from ambassador Kennedy he is the top State Department official testifying on Capitol Hill today.

And quite surprisingly he came out and defended the statements of the Susan Rice on September 16 so five days after the attack.

That the intelligence suggested that this was perhaps a demonstration that spun out of control that led to the attack.

That statement is important because last night there's a briefing for reporters by the State Department where it was made very clear to us.

That the State Department never saw Ben -- as anything but an active terrorism and I think going forward there was an exchange today between the chairman.

I -- I -- ambassador Kennedy which is gonna have real significance.

In that exchange chairman ice accused ambassador Kennedy.

Of withholding unclassified documents.

From the committee simply because they were in -- to the State Department in those documents come.

From September 11 and what we heard at the committee is that there was some kind of communication from ambassador Stevens on that date.

Of his concern for his own personal wealth -- KT.

-- Iowa Katherine Harris thank you very much get restaurant and adhering we're gonna tell her later OK okay thanks that I can't joining me now someone has been on the show referring and it's -- -- to talk to about a whole range of issues.

As I'm gonna do everything event from Ben Ghazi -- tour a nuclear weapons around.

And that's ambassador Mark Wallace is that the -- to see how.

United against nuclear Iran that's you -- and I dot com you can tweet and you can check out his web site.

But he's also the for a -- US ambassador to United Nations there -- many hats Mario.

First I want -- and.

Ask -- about your what's your reaction and take away from out of the attacks and Olympia well thanks for having me -- first of all there but there that we have to remember there was a loss of life in -- tragic loss of life for for people.

That we're serving our country so we have to look delve deep into the issue and we have so many dynamic movements across the Middle East right now.

World's getting more dangerous.

And our consulates and outposts in these countries.

Are subject even greater danger so I think it's very important to get to.

The root of the problem make sure that we have adequate security for not just that are embassies but these console -- that are a couple more farther afield.

In in countries that have dynamic populations right now I -- we have -- a dangerous is dangerous never.

That's right out.

5 fortunate -- -- because I wanted to talk about what's happened in the last week or so with -- you're a guy who's been worried about Iran nuclear Ron we can't tolerate a nuclear Iran to how do you stop a nuclear Iran.

There have been sanctions the administration has -- pretty significant sanctions on.

The Europeans have had sanctions against -- our own history and we seen in the last couple of weeks that the Iranian currency is falling.

That there is inflation in Iran the Iranian people have gone to the streets so how effective are these sanctions at stopping the Iranian nuclear program.

Well for five years we've been working to put pressure on the Iranian regime the best measure of Iranian.

-- -- -- -- Centralized control of power and the effect of economic pressure is the valuation -- currency and you've seen a dramatic drop in the real.

Over the last year my friend Steve thank yet Cato Institute -- -- to go there.

As it -- characterize Iran is the latest example hyper inflation in the world that's important because you've seen.

Regimes have suffered from hyper inflation fall Suharto.

Milosevic's and others have been put in serious.

Jeopardy by hyper inflation.

Now Iran is still pursuing -- nuclear weapon we can't suggests that economic pressure alone right now is stopping Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon.

But the net the window of options for Iran right now with.

Suffering from -- hyper inflation environment is narrowing -- come to the table perhaps for -- there.

Nuclear weapons program -- suffer eight the collapsing economy.

In a very restive population.

Remember the Persian spring predated the Arab Spring of 2009.

And but for unfortunately Michael Jackson's death and knocking off the international press we might -- A regime change in Iran sooner.

But whatever behind door number two and whatever comes after this version I think will be better for the United States better for global security.

And hopefully be willing to negotiate.

Peaceful.

Exit from their nuclear program.

OK I was in the Reagan administration issue now and around well things -- Reagan did.

Let's try to encourage those countries where the people were demonstrating against her leadership.

Encourage them to overthrow their leaders which is what happened in Eastern Europe for a and then -- and the former Soviet Union.

The -- what's happened in the Arab awakening -- -- what steps can wean the United States -- the west say.

To encourage the Iranian people like you said to go back and reopening.

Person's friend well I think in 2009 was a missed opportunity and you know I referenced -- in -- in this it would include fashion that Michael Jackson knocked it off international press for the President Obama.

I've taken a more outspoken.

Approach in support of the Persian spring at that time you might have seen that regime fall from her -- populations 42% minority.

People who arrested middle class -- suffering under corrupt.

-- -- This is a restive population I think that the -- us that we can do right now is impose an economic embargo on Iran.

Cut off forced content companies in countries to choose between doing business United States and Iran.

Cut off a flight of currency traders trying to trade the re out for dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Cut off their ability to trade riyals for -- in Turkey pressure that currency.

Keep that regime under pressure and that very restive population I think might go into the -- we do now I think he's already we can -- more we have we've adopted some sanctions he's seeing this -- effective sanctions we call for a united against nuclear Iran.

There's a full economic embargo.

It's simple -- -- -- it's a one sentence FISA legislation.

You do business in Iran you -- do business in the United States to do business in Randy can't avail yourself of the US capital markets.

Purchasing power of the United States stacked against the purchasing power -- in fact I can't pass not in the -- why have we not found.

Well I think that we haven't -- the political will to do that and I think it's very important to send a message you know for a long time we had a hard time we debated with ourselves whether or not which would sanction the central bank of Iran.

You know if you're on of the controlling ruling mullah.

And you see a country that's not willing to take a hard step to sanctioning a Central Bank will -- -- Think about country you'll believe that you take military action to stop the nuclear weapon we get the show that we're serious and that's a full economic embargo.

How much time to -- -- You know -- been some recent reports that Iran is -- months away from obtaining.

The capacity to build a nuclear weapon.

I think for many years you've heard that Iran is three to four years away -- I don't think it's the case anymore I think it's a year or less.

When Iran takes the decision to actually build a weapon -- -- you go very fast.

And I think -- our friends and Israel.

Might not even wait that long and we might -- military action by the Israelis in short order.

Well you know we've built Hearst is on decisions Jones talked about the Iranian mound cyber attacks on the United States and obviously we know that -- -- this site after cyber attacks on Iranian nuclear -- Is there a likelihood that there's more of that stuff in our cyber warfare against Iran and if so does that push back -- bad time frame out.

I don't think there's anything new there kitchen and two some time ago I wrote a piece of -- A hot war between the United States the west and Iran you see.

A cyber.

Engagement taking place -- -- terrorist attacks.

Fomented by the Iranian regime all around the world you see these accidents -- -- Iranian nuclear -- so you're seeing a real engagement the time.

The attacks by the Iranians on our banking system.

I think was a direct result of they're being revealed in the United States and Israel proposed.

Participated in a program -- Olympic Games which was a the stocks and had viruses and and also the sanctioning of the -- banking sector the -- and hackers who were not as.

Effective as I understand as the Chinese hackers.

Target our banking system and direct retaliation.

For our actions against swift and our actions against the rain in Central Bank to cut off around from.

The global banking industry.

-- right -- be true then what happens let's say that there is Persian spring topple the Iranian government.

Does a new democratic government -- -- you know miraculously show transplants.

You know that's that's the 64000.

Dollar question and if I knew that we would all retire because we we we make a lot of a fortune predicting that.

The reality is -- whatever is behind door number two.

In Iran is better than what we have now and doesn't get -- it doesn't get any worse.

And and we didn't we know that remember also.

The nuclear program and around sort of into the shop the Iranian people were great people pro western and many ways.

They believe that they should have a right to nuclear energy -- -- -- -- thing fish have a right to nuclear bomb as -- subject to some debate.

But you know they have a nationalistic pride too I think whatever behind door number two we will -- this issue which hopefully will not be contentious with the democratic dictatorship of behind the the -- in controlling this government and acting in such a hostile to the united.

The other -- during the national intelligence general Michael Hayden he.

He was show and he said you know about nuclear weapons in Iran it's not that we might Iran having nuclear weapons is this Iran having nuclear weapons let's.

That's what looks right I mean remember there's been no more.

Hostile governments the United States the world in the -- nearly forty years in Iran of sponsoring terrorism seeking an illicit nuclear weapon.

You brutal human rights violations and you know pressing its own citizens this is a bad regime and they shouldn't have nuclear weapons there will only be worse -- they do.

Currently as far as -- catcher in this chair might -- -- take full advantage of you and ask you common questions that are coming in off the transom.

You know one of our viewers says now that we have Syria Iran Afghanistan the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

How are we going to deal with what looks like a situation in the Middle East that maybe -- a year ago look very promising that now looks less promising -- -- al-Qaeda.

I'm on the move in northern Africa Afghanistan going badly we're shooting our way out we obviously saw what happened in Libya the Muslim.

Brotherhood elections and Egypt.

What do you make -- Where they're from our look you -- the question reveals the answer -- so many ways this is the most challenging region in the world a huge.

You just threat to them American national security global security -- -- -- but from my perspective.

The first.

Thing that we have to ensure is that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapon because imagine this region so problematic right now.

If Iran goes nuclear you will see every other country in that region -- its own nuclear weapon and you have a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region in the world.

That makes it far more complicated.

And so what you do that now I think what you have to do is you have to use American power America with her car.

Power military power economic power all of the power that we have a -- as -- of the pageant -- the good dominant power of the world.

Two pursue a policy that's pro American rather than.

You.

That's -- and I would just really think that we can impress upon even new allies in the region to advocate American national security interest.

To protect us and not allow others to -- -- interest in the region.

Tell me what countries in the region should remain good friends where there were not making friends -- I think that other than Syria and Iran and I believe that we should have relations that are aggressive with all of them.

I think that we should not abdicate the diplomatic.

Roll to any other country I think it's important that we have to the table talk to everyone.

I think it's hard to talk to Iranians I think we should say they talked about Randy should we are talking the -- and there's negotiating process that has not borne any fruit President Obama famously announced on his inauguration news extending an open hand.

I think it's been thirteen 150 days or something since that time obviously having made great progress.

But the only four things you can do with an intractable -- engage in diplomacy special operations like the -- it's like that and military planning.

And economic pressure I think you have to do all of the above.

Serious policy includes all of the above and for our allies you spend money and engage in diplomacy.

You enter into a military alliances you got the press all of the bonds.

About a switch gears yet again.

You heard from former position the United Nations you're obviously a guy who follows politics as well as foreign policy.

Did you have a opportunity to listen to or read.

Governor Romney's foreign policy speech I did get done they're getting what was your reaction to -- was sort of PM by the -- -- by the media saying nothing new here and how is he different from a violent but what's your tank.

Well you know I thought it was.

I thought it was very strong and I actually thought it would you did is he articulated a foreign policy and what is this -- certainly -- president Obama's it's not clear what his foreign policy was.

I think that there's no real discussion the question I would ask is are we better off now four years later in the foreign policy perspective.

From President Obama and I would suggest not.

If you look at the speech of the giving Cairo to the point where we are -- now I think it is very fair to examine whether or not that stated.

Policy which is unclear to me.

Kennedy announced in Cairo -- -- up between now up points in Cairo and now the United States our national security is better.

I would suggest not I think what governor Romney did is articulate a policy that -- American national security and that's what the American president should be doing.

Ari you're going to be watching the debates tomorrow night and right and what are you going to be looking for I should also let everybody.

And the audience now that in addition a -- UN ambassador in addition to his work.

I'm trying to prevent Iran from going nuclear are our dear guests mr.

Wallis was involved and presidential campaigns and managed by seeing mostly Republican candidate hopeful that this -- all Republican candidates have to have the local state and federal level.

So what are you know what -- night at the debates if you're scraping the candidates for the debates what would you talented focus.

And what are you going to be listening for what I think -- vice presidential debate particularly in this context it's -- -- -- -- about Paul Ryan -- a friend and a wonderful guy.

And I think all the viewers people -- Joseph Biden.

In his in his strength is -- does that is.

And the reality is is that people are looking to see Paul Ryan and -- -- Paul Ryan is a man that I believe will be able to articulate a very strong compelling foreign policy.

That a Romney Ryan presidency would -- and I think that.

We know his domestic policy so stronger I think -- -- people are gonna be looking for and I want.

-- -- to hear what he says about foreign policy and I think that he will definitely.

Answer that question.

Okay well we're involving tuning -- tomorrow night to say.

Thank you so much ambassador Mark Wallace thanks for joining ethics -- -- -- OK -- -- quick break and then come back with ambassador frankly -- Hi welcome back to -- country we have in the chair right now back there Frank -- he's been called the greatest foreign service officer.

Of the generation of his generation.

And he was the United States ambassador to Egypt to India to a whole lot of different places and also really a protege.

Of some of the most senior people including mile bus Henry Kissinger are wondering -- wizard to talk about the whole situation at least I want to start first.

About -- Syria.

You know with a serious work continues it seems that hard to believe it gets any worse for the sees me getting worse refugees are.

Pouring into Jordan today and the last week Syria and Turkey have traded.

Volleys back and -- Well where are we now I have what happens next.

Well it's a perfectly dreadful situation there is no question.

And the suffering continues to rise to the destruction is.

Unwarranted in the blame falls.

Massively on the heads of these Syrian government.

That said.

Where do we go next there's a negotiating effort underway.

Led by law they're breaking news -- very skillful fellow.

And what he's trying to do is find a way forward.

What the region needs to find.

Is an interim arrangement under which.

The Syrian government is we've known it and steps aside.

And there is a group of the opposition parties which are badly fragmented that come in and design a political road.

That's the objective.

How to get there have been very tough there's only one way I know them.

You could get there and that is an understanding between the key regional states.

That means Saudi Arabia that means around that means Turkey.

Behind.

The negotiating effort to block -- break.

There is simply no reasonable way to stop the violence simply.

By military force and on ours and -- anyone else.

Any attempt to use military force to stop what the Syrian government is doing right now -- lead.

Any outside intervene her including the United States into -- much deeper prolonged war is ugly is this is it needs to find a political -- Which are so people are saying -- -- -- now five found.

Infectious and I I'm happy to see.

I would be perfectly comfortable and it's going on right no -- weapons are being made available to the rebels.

To those who were providing them they have to always ask the question to which troubles that they providing what -- these it would it be agendas without a political framework.

For what -- -- these weapons -- use.

What will be the case after the war is over.

What controls -- understanding surrounded so.

I hope that those who are providing weapons.

Will proceed with the greatest caution certainly the American government has been very mindful.

Of the risks of what could happen in Syria after war.

-- your plunging to a very violent situation today and that's the right way to think about it.

Yeah just take that point fans say it with Libya today releasing all the attacks on Americans in that area.

One suggestion is that some of the attackers were in fact people who -- our allies in the Libyan war.

Groups that we may have -- indeed ourselves -- -- have taken those terms and turning them against us.

You -- the region.

Intimately well when what how bad that this gap and that there and why why did we get to the point where we had an American ambassador.

I didn't have the adequate security if an American ambassador had asked for that security.

Would it have been given to him.

It's like it's -- you see it was slightly different way and our diplomats go abroad and in two very dangerous circumstances.

With their eyes wide open.

The United States government -- every administration provides the best security they can and to those diplomats.

Trying to get their hands.

On -- latest intelligence is everybody's top priority.

Are you gonna get it right in and chaotic situation like -- no you're gonna make mistakes or you're gonna miss something that's important.

What we missed we don't know yet entirely the story is still being examined there is a -- -- review that's underway.

But I can tell you from firsthand experience and living through situations like this in the region.

There is no perfect knowledge no -- who's coming -- you who's coming over those walls.

If you just think about the -- that Cris Stevens was just lost his life.

That's one set of circumstances and Libya different one in Egypt another one in the Sudan yet another in Yemen.

Different factors different factions playing different games.

And we've taken a chance it's important United States has its diplomats on the ground.

Able to take stock of the situation and was the right solutions so we do take risk ultimately.

The host nation.

Is responsible for the protection of diplomats.

This case the Libyans were not able to provide the full coverage that they should have.

We could provide only part of the coverage but in the final analysis diplomats are protected by -- -- Well I think in this case -- Libyan government and what have come up short.

So what do we do in situations who -- not have an embassy there should we ourselves provide the security.

Well you can't just go -- to somebody else's country within armed force and provide security you have a choice at that point two -- -- your diplomatic force -- eliminated.

And against that is what is it like to be blind.

To have no eyes and know we years on the ground not know what's going on not being able to influence -- there's a balance of risk that you run.

In the case of Libya and it's tragic.

-- Stevens is a fabulous to implement those who Wilson was beside him.

The finest represents the United States but it's a dangerous and important situation we've run a risk.

And it played out.

In a tragic way but does that mean the United States can pull its orange speck in them leave the region pay no attention what -- in the B.

No officer.

Serving in an American embassy in -- today would agree with that -- So I think what you're saying managed that we could have more incidents like this in the future in a volatile world.

You are always going to have more incidents like this.

And again -- you could provide some degree of physical security.

In the location of your embassy in the walls you build the safe chambers you construct the final analysis.

You have to rely on your intelligence and you have to rely on the attitude of the host government and your relations with that -- -- I want to just quickly go to one final topic which is Iran you talked about the dangers of bombing Iran and you've also talked about the dangers of allowing Iran to get nuclear weapons.

Is there another alternative.

Well I think we're -- right now on the cusp of an extremely important set of decisions.

And that is is it possible.

To look at the military pressures have been building up look at the sanctions pressures -- what's happening.

The economy and Iran look at the signals.

Iranian leaders are sending a note.

And do we have the negotiating opportunity.

After all these pressures.

Are about trying to bring the other guy to the table and settle on terms that you can live with.

Do we have the negotiating opportunity I'm not quite sure it's firm yet -- there's some indications this might be possible.

And I hope that this country will be ready to seize them.

Take a chance to negotiate.

A settlement that will serve our interest interest the region -- friends -- -- and the interest the world.

Well thank you so much ambassador for our listener for shedding some light on this very complicated topics thanks us and thanks to.

Well thanks for joining us today we've talked to some of the leading experts in the field and recovered.

A lot of the topics everything from Iran to Syria.

To this situation and then -- if you want my take on what's happening.

And then guys -- and the hearings today and the entire Middle East policies can.

When I go to die Fox News Jack come on the opinion page and I've got a -- on -- suspend -- -- or not.

Anyway that's it for -- country you can catch more of the Fox News Channel and foxnews.com live we'll resume.

Programming tomorrow 11 o'clock in the morning thanks a lot.

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