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And now to the impact tonight's debate will have on the race for the White House Karl Rove joins us nice to -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Okay your post -- on tonight's debate fluent in debate their sort of -- important questions of first of which is what it looked like appearances matter a lot.
In the 1960.
Presidential debate between Nixon Kennedy.
If you listen to it on radio.
Those people overwhelmingly picnics and to win.
As the winner the debate if you watched it on television.
You saw Kennedy and thought he won the debate because Nixon was sweating and nervous looking evening grimacing he may have actually been sick with the flu at the time.
But you know it matters how you look and tonight I think the thing that we're gonna remember here weeks and weeks and be talking about in the years and years to come is grimace -- grin and condescending weird Joseph.
I I don't think I've ever seen anything like this in a debate the only thing that comes close to -- the size and exaggerated gestures.
Of Al Gore into -- and the second thing in a debate is what was it about and hear what Joseph Joseph Biden had some good substantive things he did -- on foreign policy he took the Democrat -- on.
On entitlements and spending and taxes but the guys came across just thoughtful and substantive in deep and fluid.
Was Paul Ryan I thought this superb performance on his part tonight.
The third question is who's this same death.
Joseph Biden was -- -- one group and he hit -- head on which were Democrats.
Who we're down in the dumps after president Obama's performance last week.
Ryan's pitch was still independent voters it was we've got a plan.
We understand the big problems we got a plan to deal with -- -- common sense and as practical we share your values we share your view of how things ought to be.
And we're gonna do something about it.
And the final question is is you know what's your impression left by this and what see what's what is his due to the arc of the narrative.
That is being built about these debates.
Joseph Biden did do some good for the Democrat ticket.
By basically making up for some of the absence of energy and focus.
And aggressiveness that was on the part of President Obama but on the other hand it's sort of that thereby raises a question.
Wanted to take the number two guy to do you expect as the number one guy do.
And Ryan Ryan was substantive.
And the response I mean who would have thought -- its -- to tonight's debate was 27 years younger than his competitor.
I -- exactly I read your Twitter account of an -- Twitter -- tonight dead to see what people are saying thank you.
-- -- but I'm the CNN poll that just came -- I don't know the methodology but it's sort of interest in town CNN post debate poll has said vice president ride at 48%.
And and let me let me weather around represented -- -- 40% and Vice President Biden at 44% -- 4% difference.
Most debates are sort of in a middling range you have.
-- the partisans lining up on their sides as long as your candidate does reasonably well partisans go to their corners what's interesting about that is is that you've got.
Essentially 8% undecided that slightly larger than the group of undecideds we've got in this race.
But as you know what do -- matter here are the impressions in the days ahead.
And how many times are we gonna see Joseph Biden's grimacing -- were also gonna have some very interesting look we can have legitimate disagreements about look.
Joseph Biden says nobody is gonna lose any any Medicare coverage under Medicare Advantage.
Paul -- says yes you're gonna have a bunch of seniors dropped off.
Paul Ryan says twenty million seniors scored in the CBO study are gonna -- -- when he -- -- American workers are gonna lose their employer provided coverage.
They're there and legitimate disagreements about issues.
And those are gonna sort of come on the watch but the two interesting things about that one has been talked about one has not been talked about the one that's been talked about is.
How Joseph Biden.
Denied that the administration was told about security concerns and then -- -- the explanation for big guys in the unwillingness for a number of days to declared a terrorist incidents.
As the it has a responsibility of the intelligence agency this is not gonna sit well.
A lot of people -- -- further raises the question what did the administration know and women you know it.
Now the other thing -- -- my year was something that not much attention has been paid to that got into an exchange about the economy.
And Biden said look the economy isn't a bad shape because you Paul Ryan point -- He -- you voted for two wars.
They were put on a credit card and enlisted off another -- a number of other things and and said quote.
I was there.
I voted against that.
I said we can't afford that whoa wait a minute.
Joseph Biden voted both for the authorization of the use of force resolution -- gas stand plus he voted for.
The resolution to go to war against Iraq.
So tonight on -- on national TV he said I voted against set I said we can't afford that but it.
What -- -- he voted in favor -- Afghanistan and Iraq that.
You know both of these things I think are gonna come back on it.
Let me get the -- about Libby about what he said tonight about Libya where essentially through the State Department and intelligence committee under the bus up -- you're gonna see it again.
And that's at the presidential debate.
When -- gonna talk about foreign possibly still haven't had that debate yet and is a lot of criticism of the president because he's a relate to the game.
In terms of identifying it as terrorism what happened on 9/11 and Ben Ghazi and now turns out tonight that even as vice president is a little bit of a problem with that I think that's gonna come back -- -- You talk about the smirk and it's not how much we're gonna see then the next couple days.
We're gonna see a lot of that because even before I got to the set tonight to start the midnight show.
I receive what everybody else in the media did and that's the first RNC video.
And what it doesn't says the name what is -- looked at the video yet but says issues we face are no laughing matter so you can be sure that by the time we start our news cycle tomorrow morning.
We're all gonna have scaled back to back snippets.
A Vice President Biden laughing -- very important you know very serious matter so I think that's -- -- huge part of the narrative that comes sunrise tomorrow.
Death look this is a great material for Saturday Night Live and for the Internet and remember we're getting an increasing amount of our information from the Internet 2008.
More people after the election said they got more of their information about the election on the Internet that from daily newspapers and those smirk and -- and quirky.
Do you know grimace is in the sort of exaggerated gestures.
All of those things were great fodder for the Internet we're gonna see in time and coming and in full disclosure Marty Reid tweeted relate to that video which is pretty couldn't.
One minute and 12 long video is pretty it is it's pretty amazing how often he was interrupting and hectoring and -- and and smiling and grimacing grinning and you know -- it's almost like to put Joker juice in the NNS is in the water that he had there on the stage.
Well full disclosure I've already posted it without watching it and Greta -- dot com -- did ask one of my colleagues to me up.
-- a take a look at and make sure that it's not something really off -- the charts.
But it came for the currencies have -- just a competitive.
Ad that's posted on Greta wired dot com already.
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