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1030 here in New York if you're just joining us on this Friday morning our coverage continues the fallout from last night Paul Ryan -- one point firing back at Joseph Biden.

After the vice president repeatedly hit him over governor Romney's policy proposals.

-- Barack Obama for years ago.

Running for president said if you don't have a fresh ideas.

You stale tactics to scare voters.

If you don't have a good record to run around.

Change your opponent as someone people should run from all right Karl Rove now senior advisor deputy chief of staff to George Bush and he's also -- Fox News contributor.

Runs American crossroads in many many other things in Karl good morning -- and welcome back here got.

Got a lot to go over with united had twelve hours exactly to think about all of us.

First John Paul Ryan Hannity do.

Did great he set out to portray himself as an earnest.

Thoughtful.

And sensible man from the midwest to young man from that list to him who was part of a team that had a plan to get America's growing again.

And the confronts a big challenges we hadn't showed it.

Came across -- -- -- you know who he has a thoughtful decent human beings given a lot of thought to these big issues and here are some idea I got -- know CNN gave a nod to Paul Ryan as you saw on -- poll that they did last night CBS gave the nod to.

To Joseph Biden how did the vice president.

Well Biden did well to but remember each one of them had a different target Ryan was after the independent undecided voter.

Biden was after the Democrats who were unenthusiastic.

About president Obama's debate performance the true believers who are gonna vote for Obama but were upset with -- for being -- -- So.

You know -- Joseph took a couple of five hour energy drinks before and maybe overdid it a little bit.

Came out there as mr.

aggressive and and and and obviously you know.

-- very white teeth that he likes to grimace and show -- grin as much as possible but.

He -- -- like he did what he needed to do which was to say to Democrats look Obama had a terrible performance in the first debate and have made up for -- -- -- -- All right here's a moment last night that it that caught my attention.

This is Paul Ryan and Joseph Biden talking about and one for the debate it almost -- like Ryan was he reached the point of frustration with the grimacing in the smiling.

In interruptions in this is what.

There's a man who gave 30% of income to charity more than the two of us combined.

Iran is a good man he cares about a 100%.

Of Americans in this country -- the with respect to that quote.

I think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way.

It.

I always say what I mean yeah.

-- drop everything.

He also made the comment that the vice president was under duress.

Now everybody is trying to figure out why the aggressive posture.

Was that a poor performance last week from the president was -- a slide in the polls.

Yeah wolf what do you think yeah bolts I mean that's exactly why.

Vice president -- came out shooting and I I thought it was a review lead.

Response I mean I would left and left Paul -- come a little bit Biden could help -- with the -- while we see what I mean yeah you say what you mean.

Did they're gonna put you all back in chains to a group of African Americans in south side of Virginia.

They've buried -- the bit middle class has been buried the last four years and we did he really say I always say what I mean I mean.

It was like validating.

His is his propensity for -- if you're tweeting a lot last night you said of one point biting me wanna say like.

They'll put you back and change that was what are your many tweets.

He also said this on the screen biting doing best imitation of Al Gore from the year 200000.

Snickers grimace is an exaggerated.

Gestures.

And that is the focus of so much analysis on this debate from last night -- -- -- -- I ask you does it only matter today.

Does it matter on -- weekend -- beyond that of.

That remember look we remember the very in the very first debate series in 1960.

Think of the great analogy was if you listen to it on radio you thought Richard Nixon won but if you if you watched it.

You knew John Kennedy had won because Nixon looked pale he was sweating he looked nervous he had you know it department.

Personal impressions physical impressions matter so you know throwing your arms up and grinning wildly at inappropriate times and you know talk and what well somebody's talking about nuclear weapons just you know things that remain in people's -- You I watched the 2000 debate.

From the back -- with the staff for the bush campaign and defeat did not have Al Gore's -- -- gestures and and -- size and huffing and -- We didn't get that feed the American people -- and their reaction to was considerably different than the reaction of those -- -- -- that's interesting you know the big sense here is we're trying to figure out what this does to the middle what does this -- to independent voters will -- didn't move them at all last -- you think if you have any evidence to suggest yellow -- and vice presidential debates don't tend to move the polls what they do tend to do is to add to the narrative.

Of the of the presidential campaign what Biden did was he added to the narrative of the presidential campaign inadvertently by saying look I did a better job than my boss did.

But I've at least got us back in and in the game by being an energetic.

What Ryan did was add to the narrative of the of the Romney Ryan team as two men.

Who have a common sense practical salute set of solutions to confront the big problems that the country faces.

That's a reasonable moderate thoughtful people.

Who can you know who are strongly principled conservatives but of a moderate demeanor who are who are willing to work across party lines.

And so you know both sides achieved what they wanted to do it's just that.

Ryan's object was to influence independent and swing voters Biden's was to buck up the did it the -- committed -- -- -- is there and it appears that he did.

Out of L a lot of comments from the right I was watching the Twitter were -- last night with criticism about.

A Martha Raddatz and I I asked -- Romney's surrogates last hour rush free for one of his leading advisors he kicked out to the side.

He said listen we want and we're not here to criticize anybody because of that but it was an interesting and probably a Smart answer two more issues we get -- one of which is Libya would take this on now.

Ed Rollins said this ended up like being trapped in a bar next to a know it all drunk.

But yet Doug -- Democratic strategists who works with us here at fox -- Biden was passionate substantive.

Paul Ryan was competition at best and no more.

That's how the left -- Yeah outlook I've respectfully disagree Doug who's a pretty astute observer and more guys the senators on the left but I look if you were looking -- Paul Ryan and try to figure out who -- you came away with a very good impression.

If you were looking for -- Joseph Biden and hoping to get substance look we're going to be you know that really it's it's intelligence community's fault.

You know owed it to do it's it at one point try to suggest -- with Paul Ryan's fault that there was not -- adequate security end.

In in in in Ben Ghazi and me we had a whole series of you know my personal favorite last night was he said.

He said.

You know the war in Afghanistan -- -- -- voted against him.

I stood up and said we you know we can't afford it well what about you voted for the authorization the use of force resolution 2001 to go into Afghanistan and you voted for -- Iraq War resolution.

Where was that from and we had a whole series those last night that we passed over by the media generally.

But I thought it was a revealing thing that -- -- talking points assert things that are simply not true and then occasionally stumble -- In the land mines that you yourself a plant.

I come back to Libya Ed Gillespie was on MSNBC earlier today there is a very specific question that he was asked about whether or not the answer regarding Libya.

Blaming it on intelligence are suggesting intelligence the picture was still coming full.

Are perhaps the State Department.

And also the fact -- where vice president say that we did not know that their request was in for more security in Libya.

The question is this was that ignorance is that part of some sort of cover up.

Ed Gillespie says that's what people need to asked today because both of those statements cannot be true.

Where is this issue now and the national blood stream today.

Well if there was one substantive issue that came out -- last night.

That's gonna remain and linger it is exactly that Libya what did the administration know and when did they know it and it fits into a broader context which is.

The handling of this remember the president United States receives news on the not a September 11 in Washington DC that our ambassador has been killed.

At the consulate have big Ghazi.

And he cancels the next morning his presidential daily brief with the intelligence community in order to go to the State Department.

-- console the foreign service.

And then -- -- rather than returning the White House meeting with the intelligence -- he gets on an airplane flies to Las Vegas.

In order -- to fund raiser at a campaign event flies to Denver overnight.

So we can have -- a campaign event in Colorado the results for the time sixty minutes was during the pro ride and then and then returns to abortion DC late in the afternoon 615 on.

On the not at September 13 and in order to ghost to the Hispanic.

Congressional caucus.

Get -- this this is eight.

Grave mishandling the president United States play and -- come up Tuesday no absolutely and I hit it it'll come upon a lot of weapons it'll be it'll come up in the final debate -- for certain because it's foreign policy wanted but.

But this this did last night was this the substantively.

This was the centerpiece of the debate -- there were also -- question about Medicare taxes.

But this was substantively the centerpiece of the debate it will linger just as the appearances centerpoint.

Was it was so vice president Biden's.

Grimacing -- men and India Canada -- are very have a car -- this morning twelve hours later Siro soon appreciate the analysis you bet they'll -- you.

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